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Sexiest looking wagon I've ever seen. I can honestly say it looks sexier than a CTS-V wagon, even though the CTS-V wagon is gnarlier.

And I was never one of those people who gawked over the Shelby name bringing prices above list so I'm not really sure what the other posters have anything to do with this..? Also, how do either of us know what they are or are not selling for? I only know one example of a sale price and that's because of a good friend works at a stealership. I mean there are plenty examples of them LISTED above MSPR but we don't know what the out-the-door price is on them. Unless you have a source saying they are not selling above list then neither of us actually know what new owners are paying. I know I have no clue other than the one example and he's paying to have his shipped from (basically)STL to New Hampshire. He paid list but was obviously willing to pay extra for the car if he's sending his own truck and trailer for it.

So what you're saying is, theoretically, even if the GT350 was priced at 100k it "should" sell for even more if the Shelby name carried any weight? What if they already priced it accordingly though? Why would it sell over sticker if the sticker is already accurate to the market(which would incorporate the name)?

Really??? Amazon has their own delivery vehicles? Impressive.

Not based on what's going on up here with the GT500 and Zeta ZL1. Consumers know that SVT is the real development muscle behind the Shelby name, so it's judged accordingly. ZL1 doesn't have the name recognition the Shelby name does. How many people outside of us car nuts know The Legend has even passed? Probably most that buy a Shelby and prior to the GT350 he was a part of all of the cars with his name on them. Like the 662hp GT500. The name Shelby carries more weight than 1LE and will maintain a higher resale value if both cars have the same mileage on them. How much? No clue if I'm being honest. No clue at all. I just know the Shelby name has a lot of value. Actually, if I'm not wrong, the GT350 doesn't have SVT anywhere on it.. At least it isn't in the name. Maybe they have it engraved on the valve covers like they've done in the past. If Shelby had all that recognition, then it would sell above list price. It would not just be predicated on the used market value. Just saying. If it is priced correctly then it wouldn't, right? Or are you saying it doesn't matter what the list price is people will pay above it? And according to Bong, it is priced too high, or in this case, in line or where Shelbys "should" be. I guess what do you mean by " It would not just be predicated on the used market value." because that's where collector cars are also. Yes, used, but they have a solid demand still. Personally, I love the ZL1. It's right up my ally. Big V8, supercharged, 580hp, magnet shocks for a softer AND tighter suspension when I want them. It seems like the best GT of the two..that either of them had made up until now. Now the Mustang GT and Camaro SS are just better overall cars but I'd still take a ZL1 over a GT or SS in a heartbeat. To me, it was a "bruiser". It had brawn. Okay that went a little off topic.. oh well. On another off-topic bit.. check out how insane this dealer is. Mind you, this is just a Mustang GT. http://www.autotrader.com/cars-for-sale/vehicledetails.xhtml?zip=62249&endYear=2017&modelCode1=MUST&showcaseOwnerId=3251723&makeCode1=FORD&startYear=2013&firstRecord=0&searchRadius=100&showcaseListingId=387682870&mmt=%5BFORD%5BMUST%5B%5D%5D%5B%5D%5D&listingId=413855461&Log=0 $100k. lol Edit: So I realize this is not scientific in ANY real way but when I sifted through AutoTrader for 13+ GT500s and ZL1 the GT500s tend to be roughly 5-7k more for about the same mileage. I tried to be at least somehwhat "accurate". Both between 3-15k miles and the GT500s were between 47k-57k(50-55 was the norm) and the ZL1s were more in the 40-50k range(they tended to have ~3-5k more miles as well). But for 45k I'd rather have a ZL1 than an SS 1LE. Actually, what would you guys rather have for 45k? It's kind of an awkward price for these cars. Can't get a GT350 or Z/28, could work really hard to find a GT500, or loaded up SS or GTs? Or throw the Challenger in there as well. No Hellcat but you could probably still find SRTs for that price.

Not based on what's going on up here with the GT500 and Zeta ZL1. Consumers know that SVT is the real development muscle behind the Shelby name, so it's judged accordingly. ZL1 doesn't have the name recognition the Shelby name does. How many people outside of us car nuts know The Legend has even passed? Probably most that buy a Shelby and prior to the GT350 he was a part of all of the cars with his name on them. Like the 662hp GT500. The name Shelby carries more weight than 1LE and will maintain a higher resale value if both cars have the same mileage on them. How much? No clue if I'm being honest. No clue at all. I just know the Shelby name has a lot of value. Actually, if I'm not wrong, the GT350 doesn't have SVT anywhere on it.. At least it isn't in the name. Maybe they have it engraved on the valve covers like they've done in the past.

I can honestly say that I don't know what the resale value is or depreciation rate is on the two over a 5 year period but I'd wager decent money that that bridge closes quite a bit right there.

Based on, your opinion? Because last I knew they were selling about as quick as dealers could get their hands on them. The one I posed about earlier was sold in 2 or 3 days from delivery. If adding options from the base model means there is a pricing issue then every vehicle has pricing issues because models get updated with more and more base features every year. Wanna see some a-hole dealer markup?? http://www.autotrader.com/cars-for-sale/vehicledetails.xhtml?zip=62249&endYear=2017&modelCode1=MUST&showcaseOwnerId=3251723&makeCode1=FORD&startYear=1981&firstRecord=0&searchRadius=100&showcaseListingId=387682870&mmt=%5BFORD%5BMUST%5BMUST%257CShelby%2BGT350%5D%5D%5B%5D%5D&listingId=421898549&Log=0

It has pricing issues?

Lol, well, looks like you took this out of Camaro and GT350 talk or even talking about cars. Well done. I have talked to both of the Ford guys via PM to knock it off in the past. But that is nothing that needs to be discussed in this thread, If you're that concerned about that you can PM me instead of botching the rest of the thread up with getting over personal for no reason. That stuff you speak of is in the past, let it go.

So all Lotuses, Porsche Caymans, GTIs, Fiesta STs, and Miatas have going for them is their engine note? C'mon.. If you honest to goodness think all that goes into making a car great is performance numbers then you're not a car guy, you're a tech guy. That's fine, it really is. But don't pretend to be a car enthusiast if all you care about is bench racing numbers. The same could be said for you. I am merely pointing out the important aspects of a performance car for me. You are emphasizing engine noise and "feel". What's makes you anymore of an enthusiast when you are only looking at one aspect as well? Hint, nothing so don't insult me with that BS just I have different needs in a car than you. Nothing you have said here makes you anymore of an "enthusiast" as myself so again, just drop that ccap because you're coming off as ignorant with comments like that. Sorry. I never said I was dismissing any aspect of either car. I also have not brought up engine tone, sound, volume, or noise into this thread. I have not made one comment on the sound of said engine in this thread. So I have yet so even put ANY emphasis on "noise". Suave put it perfectly, "All I'm saying is that sports cars are not just about the numbers, despite how we're led to believe. They're also about the experience." Nothing about that dismissed anything about either car but said that a car is more than just numbers, more than just feel, it is the entire package that makes a great car a great car. Bong has thrown all the eggs in the numbers basket saying the 1LE will be "put the Shelby on the trailer." and that "Well, we already know the stock SS will get to 60 quicker than a GT350." Ignorant is measuring the greatness of a car from purely performance numbers, a la Bong. "Everybody" loves Miatas and GTIs for a reason, and it sure as heck isn't because they run low 11's in the 1/4 from the factory, sure as heck isn't because they have a howlin' V8 under the hood but because they give the driver an experience they cannot get in almost any other car. There's a good chance it's that. Are they slow? No. So performance numbers mean SOMETHING as well. Neither can be completely dismissed.

"I just bought a Mustang for 57 grand that's no quicker around a course than a 42 grand Camaro!"#fanboism #badlifechoices Well, at this point, prove it. Let's see the comparison that shows the GT350 being "no quicker" than a 1LE.You're doing an awful lot of talking for something that hasn't even been driven yet. Remember that thing you said "If all you can do to counter my article is call me a fanboy then I've already won." Go on... Well, we already know the stock SS will get to 60 quicker than a GT350. So ya, there's that All you want is some track racing numbers, let's hear them from these two. Apparently the GT350 is "no quicker" than a 1LE. So show it. Is the trailer enclosed with matching stripes, at least?

We will agree to disagree. Just pointing out the differences here. BTW, dismissing feel is not sad when you understand that feel is subjective. Don't know why you feel the need to go after me, by caking it "sad" because I pointed out that. Sorry but you have a clear bias to the Stang so your defense and rebuttals come off just as fan boyish as Bongs. No offense. The Vette beat it in almost every performance metric. Sorry, but a sweet engine note alone does not a car make. http://www.caranddriver.com/comparisons/2016-chevrolet-corvette-stingray-z51-vs-2016-ford-mustang-shelby-gt350-final-scoring-performance-data-and-complete-specs-page-4 Yes, I pointed that out. Nor does pure numbers. Show of hands. What's more important? Performance or engine note? I vote one for performance. So all Lotuses, Porsche Caymans, GTIs, Fiesta STs, and Miatas have going for them is their engine note? C'mon.. If you honest to goodness think all that goes into making a car great is performance numbers then you're not a car guy, you're a tech guy. That's fine, it really is. But don't pretend to be a car enthusiast if all you care about is bench racing numbers.

It is definitely the only Toyota product I would consider right now. But I would seriously consider it if it made any logical sense for me to own a truck.

The Vette beat it in almost every performance metric. Sorry, but a sweet engine note alone does not a car make. http://www.caranddriver.com/comparisons/2016-chevrolet-corvette-stingray-z51-vs-2016-ford-mustang-shelby-gt350-final-scoring-performance-data-and-complete-specs-page-4 Yes, I pointed that out. Nor does pure numbers.

Probably 1.

You also think this is the 'top dog' Mustang? There are rumors like there are for the Camaro ZL1 about a GT500. The term "feel" is something that goes hand in hand with a true driver's car. It takes some of the electronic-ness and new gadgets out of the equation(like the Z/28 did) and give you a car that is designed for one thing, gettin' after it. Yes, the Corvette is the better cruiser with more amenities and probably a plusher ride(while still being able to out pace the GT350 around a road course) but that doesn't mean it is truly a better driver's car. Like the Camaro took down cars that were faster than it, the GT350 is doing the same exact thing. But, then there are people who try and push agendas like they're getting paid for it and try and dismiss great cars it is just childish and ignorant because their own brand of choice did a similar car just 2 years ago that was even more pricey, but no less a great freakin' car. It's just bad when one company does it and not the other. GT350 is a mistake, Z/28 was great. *rolls eyes* Also, dismissing "feel" is sad.. That is what makes the Miata a great car, Lotus great cars, Porsche Caymans were underpowered for a long time but they were great cars, The GTI is underpowered for its class but it has great "feel", great car. Heck 80's(I think) Corvettes were ungodly slow but people still loved them and they were still very good cars for their era.

It didn't beat it in performance measurements though. 0-60, 60-0, 1/4 mile, skid pad, etc... Which is all Bong cares about. I did find it interesting that they tied to 150mph @ 22.1 seconds. I assume it has to do with the shift points of each car. The Vette may have just shifted while the GT350 hadn't..because that sky-high red line.

"I just bought a Mustang for 57 grand that's no quicker around a course than a 42 grand Camaro!" #fanboism #badlifechoices Well, at this point, prove it. Let's see the comparison that shows the GT350 being "no quicker" than a 1LE. You're doing an awful lot of talking for something that hasn't even been driven yet. Remember that thing you said "If all you can do to counter my article is call me a fanboy then I've already won." Go on...

We need another Dream Garage thread.. FRISKY! get on that..

I corrected that for you Suav But you are correct. Sometimes there are cars that are just special and numbers don't tell the whole story. For example, the Miata. That's another car that the numbers don't tell the whole story yet it is a great car and everybody that drives them seems to love them.

Uh oh... another 200mph claim.. Let's see if it can do it! In all seriousness, I love this car. The Type-R on "the juice" is exactly what the doctor ordered. Gorgeous car(coupe only!) + Nasty exhaust = winner in my books.

I applaud any price drop. I love seeing a company pass the savings on to the customer. They already had people paying the $1,900+ per vehicle before so to drop the price and pass their savings on is awesome.

LOL @ "non-competitive product" (referring to the GT350/R) That right there is now I, and everybody else, can't take a damn word of yours serious when you start talking GM vs anything.

"cold hard facts" about a GM and Ford products...from you...? I'll take most other resources for my "cold hard facts". They've proven to be the most accurate and reliable. Ya know, people who get paid to do the work rather than a fanboy on an internet forum.