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Then maybe they should make something comparable to actually take business from Tesla. As of now.. It seems like pissing money away just for "pride", "home turf", "because they can". It isn't "Competition is competition" if you don't have anything that actually is cross shopped a Tesla.

And so are the D3 in trying to keep a company our of "their state" when they don't even have anything to compete with Tesla. To me, that says they're scared of Tesla. Why else pay millions upon millions to lobby to keep a company out of your state which you don't even compate with. Is somebody buying a Tesla going to turn down an F150 Platinum or Navigator(closest things price-wise to compete with a Model S). I could see GM a little more scared for reason because they have the new CT6 which will be right in the price range of the Model S. But other than that, they don't even compete with eachother so why does GM/Ford/FCA( I don't actually know other than GM because I heard they are "leading the efforts") even care about Tesla?

Believe it or not, my local Kia dealership used plain old Quakerstate/Pennzoil products in their cars/trucks. Also why you can get an oil change for 14.95 I guess I am sure you could, but you would be changing it much more..... Any place that advertises oil changes south of $20 usually has additional fees like disposal of old oil which most just include in their prices.

Yes and no. They may require a synthetic oil but going by the oil life monitor on probably any new car will yield 7500-12000miles depending on your driving. So while the oil changes will cost 2-3 times more(not so much if you do it yourself) but it will last you 2-4 times as long as the old 3000 mile intervals. So while it may cost roughly the same over 10k miles you won't have the trouble of doing the oil change and time that goes with it. I mean you could always get Mobil 1 Extended Performance(~27$) which guarantees you 15,000 miles of protection and a Fram Ultra filter(~9$) and they both guarantee 15,000 miles. $36 before tax for what used to be 5 oil changes is fan-freakin-tastic. Now that's doing it yourself.. I've seen synthetic oil changes are quick lube places costing anywhere from 55-90 dollars and I'm pretty certain those are still a cheapo filter so you'd have to bring in your own filter and most will at least credit you their filter back but that's only like $2-3 back on top of your $9 filter. So about $60-95 if you took your car somewhere. This is also for the standard 5qts. Obviously if your car takes more it'll cost a little more.

Hahaha hooooooly buckets! They much have hooned like none other! It was probably fun as hell just tearing up an economy car like that lol.

I completely agree! That's actually why I don't like any comparison to test review mpg because there is no way all vehicles just get junk mileage. The only one I trust is MT's Real MPG because that is an actual test itself of combined driving conditions and a set test loop so at least they are comparable to eachother. But it is still a good point that a boosted engine under load will use more fuel than a n/a engine.. at least from your observations. Regardless, It got poor test mileage like EcoBoosts get poor test mileage... That was all my joke was about. I drive an EcoBoost and if I drive agressively..I get junk economy. If I drive conservatively..I get exceptional economy. And anywhere in the middle.

When I initially saw this thing months ago my first instinct was that it was hideous and I had no clue why they did what they did with it. The more I look at it the more I like it. I actually don't think it looks too bad anymore. The long sloped almost "coupe-like" looks pretty dang good, albeit at a price of visibility. Not sure if that is a great sacrifice in this segment or not but it does looks sharp. It appears that it has a case of the "EcoBoosts". lol 20mpg tested, 22/32 rated. "Our test average of 20 mpg proves the rule that a small turbo in a big car burns gas fast." The weight is, yet again, another high point for another new GM. Very light for being one of the longest/largest in the segment. 3300lbs and this was a 2.0T " absolutely loaded Premier"

The three-box Chevy sedan arrived with the new-for-1949 Chevrolets, which grew proper trunks that were flattened and pulled out from the old bustle-back Fleetlines and Master Deluxes of the streamliner era. How many of us saw Dad off to work in a Biscayne or a Bel Air, or remember the mall lots clogged with Novas and Caprices? The Chevy sedan was everyman’s car, the car you drove if you cared more about value than flash. Malibus were once everywhere, even in Malibu, but the Japanese long ago moved the bull’s-eye for high-value ­conformity, and Chevrolet has struggled to hit it. Too big, too small, too boring, too unreliable; the mid-size Chevy sedan devolved into a car you would rent but never buy. Well, here is GM’s latest attempt to reverse the Malibu’s typecasting. As with the new Chrysler 200, the 2016 Malibu attempts to strum the heartstrings with modern, swept styling. Look at its new shoulders and those tendon lines on the body sides. Muscle and sinew emerge as the light plays in interesting ways. The headlights squint menacingly, like a thug, or like a Camaro. Also like a Camaro (and all the new Cadillacs and Buicks), the Malibu’s beltline is hiked way up to make the roof seem low, leaving narrow daggers for side glass. GM never tires of that bunker-top styling, no matter what it costs in visibility. ... The rest of the review @http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/2016-chevrolet-malibu-20t-test-review

Yeah the whole Dexos crap is BS but if you buy a GM you don't really have a choice. That is why some high end oils don't have the "spec" because they simply don't want to pay for the "spec" even though their stuff surpasses it by miles. I believe Amsoil is one example, I think Royal purple is another one.

Welllllll Before I bought my blue Mach 1 that I have pictures of on here, and I've since sold, I found an orange one up in Iowa on Auto Trader. I went back and forth talking to the dealer about EVERYTHING about the car because that was about a 5 hour drive for me. But the price was great and it was stock,so he told me, and it had pretty low miles for the year, I think it was about 52k miles. Well, I couldn't reiterate more how I wanted pictures of every little detail on the car. I wanted any picture of a scratch and I wanted to make sure it was bone stock. I didn't want to buy a mustang with aftermarket parts assuming the pervious owner would have driven the piss out of it. So, after about two weeks of talking, emailing, and texting I made the trip on a day off of work. I planned to trade in my C350. Well I left at like 5am and got there around 10-1030 and he did have it all cleaned up for me but there were rock chips like you wouldn't believe all over the damn car. I didn't know you could even get rock chips on the rear deck lid and rear C-pillars. They were everywhere. Okay, not too happy about that but if the rest was still good I may have bitten because of how far I drove. It was initially inside and he started it to take it outside and it did not have factory exhaust. I got on the ground and looked.. aftermarket/offroad X-pipe. It didn't bother me an incredible amout because I planned to do that exact thing on my own anyway but the point of me asking all of those questions and asking for any picture of any sctatch or ding was to prevent that. I was so pissed because it really wasn't what he described and portrayed to me. Well, I drove back home in my C350 and pissed off about how $h!ty the dealer was. Then of course as I was thinking it over he continued to try and pressure me saying that I don't want to regret driving all the way here and not taking it back. One other time a buddy and I were driving home from the mall and we saw a newer gen GTO on the corner of a used lot. We stopped and checked it out and of course a guy walked up to us. We instantly lost interest because it was an automatic and we told the guy that we weren't interested because it wasn't either of us wanted. He tried to sell us that the automatic was better because we can, and I quote, " you can drive and grab titties with the automatic". I will never forget that. Just because we were young(probably 19-20 at the time) he tried to sell us a car like that. I couldn't believe that tactic. Mostly because I know he wouldn't have tried to say that to an older guy but he did because we were young.

Ohhhh lol thanks. I'm on my phone so it's like a 1x1 pic unless I click on it. (iPhone 6) I had no clue it even had writing on it.

Happy Birthday Mr Viper!

Yeah, what blu said. Color blending is key. Blu, you can tell his insurance company by a picture of the car?!?!

I get my panties ruffled because of how crummy salesmen can be and pressure ignorant buyers into things that DO make them money such as the extended warranties, glass protection, winshield wiper fluid refills(exaggerating) but those are where a buyer will get pressured even more because that is where they make the most money off of a new car. That is also where a buyer will get the most ripped off. I had a guy I worked with who was not a car guy by any means and the Chevy dealer told him it would cost 10k to replace his wheels on his Malibu had he hit a pothole or whatnot and bent/cracked/dented his wheels. It is a 2012 Malibu. 10k my ass. I just told him that whoever sold that "protection" plan ripped him off. Of course he got that plan because he was scared if something happened he wouldn't be able to afford to fix it...because he was told it would cost an absurd amount to replace. My point is that not having to ever deal with a salesman trying to con me into something..would be nice.. Or somehow change the way they make money somehow to get an honest worker. Or just get honest employees.

Scout, I love your example! Lol funny, but it gets the point across.

We'll I was told by my dealership that due to the close tolerances even on a pure synthetic, the engines get nosier as the oil gets dirtier and one should replace it. Also with the new dexos 1 and 2 spec GM, Ford, or any auto company could decline warranty if the wrong oil is used. Pretty clear to either use dexos specific oil or go pure synthetic. Good explanation on the new oils here: http://www.autoblog.com/2010/10/02/gm-engine-oil/ The Dexos is full synthetic anyway I thought No, there are syn blends that are dexos approved. Actually more GM dealers will us an AC Delco oil that is a syn blend that's dexos approved. It's only like 3.5/qt retail. But that doesn't mean it is a bad oil. If it's what they use for their oil life monitors and you can go ~10k on it then it's still gotta be pretty good. Okay I gotcha I gotcha. I guess I just always set my second trip odometer for my oil changes. That way I can also see what my mpg was over that entire span as well.

33k If you're changing it yourself and you don't have a garage to do it in, do it now. No telling how long the weather will hold out. If you take it some place, then just let it go till you feel really needs it. I meant on the oil, sorry. Yeah I just do it in my own garage/driveway so I would definitely be outside if the weather was junk. I guess I'll pick up some oil and do it this coming weekend. I hate "wasting" oil but I don't like the thought of not knowing when I'll even be able to with it being mid december and 4200-4300(by the weekend) miles on the oil. Going into winter, I would change it. Cold weather is much harder on engines than warmer weather. Having clean oil to go through the season will allow faster warm ups, should also help with changes due to the cold weather shrinking things. I have always found it good even on engines that need pure synthetic like my Escalade and trailblazer to change every 6K miles. That was one thing I was thinking of as well. I know it'll be premature but I'd rather change a little soon than a little too late. If nothing else, it'll make me feel better.

So I'm around 4100 miles on this oil change and I know the oil would be good for probably 6-10k miles but I like to change it around 5k. I'm at a bad time of year.. I'm not sure if I should change it next weekend while it is still awkwardly warm(50's) but very short on the oil's capability or wait and change it in possibly $h!ty conditions at 5-6k miles.. I still have a little bit of an old school approach with miles on oil changes. Oil and car tech has come along so far that 5000 miles can easily be done on cheapo conventional oil let alone full syn Pennzoil Ultra Platinum. It's just a mental block and I short trip a bunch and december will be the worst for short tripping because i'll be on winter break from school so my car won't get all warmed up as often. Also, knowing the EcoBoost motors tend to get a little fuel dilution(one reason they are all 5w-30 as opposed to their n/a engines that are 5w-20). So the question... Should I change it early.. or wait..?

The Buick Encore, right? How many miles were on that when it got down to 5%?

^ Exactly one of my points.. If Tesla wants to do things their own way, beat them by playing your own game. Make your dealerships actually worth going to. I try not to even go to a dealership when they are open because I don't want to either be pressured into buying something or try and talk cars with a guy who isn't even a car guy..just a salesman. The dealers really just need to be all around better. Make them worth visiting. Make an automotive dealership the kind of place a family can waste an hour or so before a movie or something instead of the kind of place people dread going. Get people who want do be there and to do a good job. But it is absurd that it is "law" on how a company can get their product into a consumers hands(and we're not talking about alcohol, tomacco, or firearms - WHICH SEEM TO HAVE A LONGER LEASH THAN CARS!!)

This is exaclty all of our points.. You just say it is law without explaining what about this law is fair to a small company trying to enter the automotive industry. You saying it is "state law" isn't explaining jack $h!. WHY is it the law? WHAT makes that law fair to a new company? With your "logic"(if copying and pasting links from websites is even considered an opinion) then there will never be another american automotive company because the cost to set up an entire dealer network in order to sell a freaking car. If you think that barrier to enter the market place is fair and if that legitimately sounds "american" to you then I don't think you know the ole "american dream". You're being one sided here, I've given an opinion on a possible solution for BOTH parites. One that could help a small company and once/if they grew they would have to join the bull$h! "dealer network".

Protect consumers? explain.. pressuring salesman, inconsistant pricing, salesmen who don't know jack about their products... I will not give you a break until you actually explain how you think that forcing HOW a company sells their product is "fair". Using slavery laws is not a bad example, the point was just because it is a law doesn't mean it is actually fair, and you knew exactly what the point was.

Wellllll, my dad ended up buying that Ion. Right at 75,000 miles and before TTL it was 5700. It was at our local Chevy/GMC/Buick dealer so that helped a lot. My dad isn't like me with cars where he will travel for what he's looking for. Most anything else in the area was a lot of either same price/era of cars but 115K+ miles or similar miles and ~$1500 more. So far it seems like a good little car. Before the dealer sold it they replaced all of the brake pads, front rotors, wiper blades and the usual "inspecion things". It had tires with about 95% tread left(some cheap-o brand thought).

New/clean oil is usualy slightly thicker as well as nothing has broken down/diluted with fuel(direct injection engines).

I fit in the 3rd row of a Traverse and Durango just fine thanks. Yeah I've been in the 3rd row of an Acadia once and a new Explorer once for a 4-5 hr trip and it honestly was not bad at all. There was quite a bit of space back there. Granted, I'm not the largest person(5'8" - 180lbs) but still a full size adult that means you could have something that size for a growing family.