surreal1272

Was white supremacist Dylan Roof included in that equation? Furthermore some of the homegrown attacks here, that ISIS is taking credit for, really can't be attributed to those idiots. Take the Orlando shooter for example. He can pledge to ISIS on the internet until the cows come home but that doesn't make him anymore of an ISIS fighter. It's like Johnny Redneck going out and killing five black people and claiming his allegiance to the KKK before killing himself, even though he never attended one meeting. My point is that you have to look through the distortion field as it relates to these home grown terrorist types. Some of them are just going to commit these acts no matter who they pledge their allegiance to. All they are looking for is opportunity and their 15 minutes, which our sorry media happily gives them.

Sure there is no colonial like action going on but just one look at the many GOP sponsored bills being thrown around from one state to the next right now (that has nothing to with jobs, economy, or anything for the sort) shows that religious influence is still very much a huge factor in governing for a lot of folks and it is a problem and it was all set up over the last 200+ years in this country by a dominant and controlling religion. I simply will never ignore that simple fact when I hear folks talking about how bad Muslims are. Btw, I am no way advocating what the radicals are doing but there is a clear separation between them and most Muslims when they are indiscriminately killing other Muslims.

I see what you're saying but it does have a bearing on the present and that's my point. It's a perpetual cycle of one religion trying to dominate all others and it all has to stop because even if we stop radical Islam today, there is another radical religion waiting in the wings. History has proven that and we can't ignore it just because it is more convenient to speak of only what's happening right now.

That "like" was for the first paragraph. The rest of it still sidesteps history. Example? Christianity only seems peaceful now because they used the previous 2000 years or so to violently spread their beliefs and force it upon others. Sound familiar?

This coming from the same person who claimed that George Sorors owned voting machines in thirteen states (he didn't and this was proven btw) to help Clinton win the election. Excuse me if I don't take your statements at face value here.

So they interviewed every Muslim? No. Then that is a fallacy statement CP and you know it. It's like me pointing out that a recent poll showed that 38% of Christian's believe that LGBT folks do not deserve equal protections and there are still plenty of those folks who had little to no reaction to the Orlando nightclub shooting last year. Yes, they were "mad" because the shooter was with ISIS (he really wasn't but that is a story for another time) but they weren't exactly hanging out in Orlando in droves to support those LGBT folks who lost loved ones there. The point that the complacency you are claiming about a portion of Muslims out there can easily be applied to Christian's here and elsewhere around the world. Islam is only part of the problem here. Organized religion, in general, is the bigger problem.

A small sample of what made Christianity the dominant religion of the world. http://www.truthbeknown.com/victims.htm Go ahead and ignore this if you hate the truth. The sand is to your left for you to place your head in. Exactly but the naysayers tend to not see that kind of news on Fox and the Drudge Report. How many white Christians were apologizing for Dylan Roof?

So what? The fact is that religion in general creates fanatics on all sides. To deny this and trying to single out just one is wearing blinders to history and the world. Hell, this country was created due to the same fanatical behavior. Just ask the Native American population (or what's left of them after the "be a Christian or die" campaign of the 1800s). Within minutes of the Ft. Lauderdale shooting, there were idiots on Facebook and Fox News immediately spouting off about ISIS, Islam, and terrorism. Upon hearing the name of the shooter, it turned to illegal immigration. Now that it turns out that he was military, crickets have taken over and those same folks are making just as many excuses for his behaviors as you are claiming the "liberal media" is making for those four thugs in Chicago (which, btw, they should never spend another free day in society so don't get my motives here twisted). Point being there are murderers and fanatics on all sides and if you spend all of your days focusing on one (Islam in this case), then you miss the Esteban Sanitago and Dylan Roofs of the world. A thousand times, THIS^^^. Such a lack of historical understanding of basic history by some here because they are hung up on the flavor of the day (Islam and ISIS). Newsflash. If you want to be pissed of about ISIS, then you need to pissed off at our government because we helped create the mess that we now can't clean up.

Good grief. You just do not get it and I'm sure there will be a completely different statement from you when Mercedes starts doing this.

Semantics aside, the ATS is still essentially five years old and most definitely needs an update at this point. Sorry Casa but it has not been six years but again, it matters not in the long run. Five years in this market is too long without a proper update IMO.

And again you are failing to make the distinctions between booking a Cadillac and leasing a Mercedes. Apples to oranges. And of course the car wont be sold as new if it has miles on it. It's just silly to even bring that up SMK.

So you are proving that your initial assessment was off by a mile by providing an example of why this program is different (and far more convenient) than a traditional lease? What exactly is your point here? Again, you can't just trade in that Escalade (penalty free) for say a loaded CT6 the next month under the lease you are referring to. What do you not understand here? Exactly but everything Cadillac has to be compared to Mercedes, even when they are not remotely comparable. I thought you knew Balth!

Really? All registration and insurance costs are covered (unlike a lease) and this is obviously for the white collar traveler that has to spend extended time at one location. Oh, and you can give it back at anytime or swap it for another ride, unlike your lease.

I use plastic cups in case I get butter fingers.

Yet it seems to be easier for certain folks to judge you for looking at life a certain way. Very sad for them.

No it is not and it is very much a realist perspective if you've actually been paying attention to the world around you. It actually gives one a better understanding and appreciation for how the world really works. It is also a simple understanding of karma. What is a mental issue is biased ideologies without rationale (i.e. organized religion). What is also mental (to a much lesser extent mind you) is blind loyalty to material objects, i.e. one brand fandom, be it cars, computers, gaming systems, you name it. That is a serious social/mental issue that exposes ones own shortcomings in life. Btw, pick the mic back up. You had no reason to drop it unless you're clumsy.

The 3 hatch has always been my favorite Mazda but like Stew said, they are just a little too pricey.

It's also called being a realist and there is nothing wrong with that whatsoever.

Sorry but anyone who takes anything said on Twitter seriously should not even be operating heavy machinery, much less be allowed to vote. The fact that one of those people is our president-elect is even scarier. On a side note, it will interesting to see what happens to jobs in Canada since Trump has made it clear that he is going after any production outside of the US. I have my popcorn on standby.

Yes but not when it comes to Jeep. If it weren't for them, FCA would be official toast. And there is plenty to argue. Your agreeing with this is not necessary for it to be true.

And you're the one trying to argue something about FCA and last time I checked, this was a sales thread for all brands. No one put words into your mouth. You are merely interpreting it that way while dishing out more petty insults so maybe you should heed your own advice.

No worries. I knew what you were getting at.

Enlighten me while you (once again) pass off insults. Fact. All of Ford (including the CUVs you are touting) is not okay. Debate it, argue it, whatever but these petty little insults are what got your own sidekick dismissed from here so you might want to reconsider your "tactic" before responding here.

Speaking of obvious, one should note that only the Cherokee and the Patriot are down and being that the Patriots reason is because it is a goner, Jeeps situation is not near as dire as you are making it out to be. All of Ford is not okay either. The Escape was down for the month and the Explorer is down for the whole year. That is what's obvious here.

Sorry but only one was trolling that thread while I, you, and others were actually trying to discuss the matter.