surreal1272

Yet it seems to be easier for certain folks to judge you for looking at life a certain way. Very sad for them.

No it is not and it is very much a realist perspective if you've actually been paying attention to the world around you. It actually gives one a better understanding and appreciation for how the world really works. It is also a simple understanding of karma. What is a mental issue is biased ideologies without rationale (i.e. organized religion). What is also mental (to a much lesser extent mind you) is blind loyalty to material objects, i.e. one brand fandom, be it cars, computers, gaming systems, you name it. That is a serious social/mental issue that exposes ones own shortcomings in life. Btw, pick the mic back up. You had no reason to drop it unless you're clumsy.

The 3 hatch has always been my favorite Mazda but like Stew said, they are just a little too pricey.

It's also called being a realist and there is nothing wrong with that whatsoever.

Sorry but anyone who takes anything said on Twitter seriously should not even be operating heavy machinery, much less be allowed to vote. The fact that one of those people is our president-elect is even scarier. On a side note, it will interesting to see what happens to jobs in Canada since Trump has made it clear that he is going after any production outside of the US. I have my popcorn on standby.

Yes but not when it comes to Jeep. If it weren't for them, FCA would be official toast. And there is plenty to argue. Your agreeing with this is not necessary for it to be true.

And you're the one trying to argue something about FCA and last time I checked, this was a sales thread for all brands. No one put words into your mouth. You are merely interpreting it that way while dishing out more petty insults so maybe you should heed your own advice.

No worries. I knew what you were getting at.

Enlighten me while you (once again) pass off insults. Fact. All of Ford (including the CUVs you are touting) is not okay. Debate it, argue it, whatever but these petty little insults are what got your own sidekick dismissed from here so you might want to reconsider your "tactic" before responding here.

Speaking of obvious, one should note that only the Cherokee and the Patriot are down and being that the Patriots reason is because it is a goner, Jeeps situation is not near as dire as you are making it out to be. All of Ford is not okay either. The Escape was down for the month and the Explorer is down for the whole year. That is what's obvious here.

Sorry but only one was trolling that thread while I, you, and others were actually trying to discuss the matter.

Like I said, probably temporary given how strong Jeep sales have been lately. Time will tell.

Good to see GM end the year on a positive note. FCA is beyond hurting when Jeeps sales are declining. Probably temporary but not a good sign if this goes on for an extended period of time.

'Tis a little silly for sure. I have seen tons of what I call "tag team" voting where one poster up votes everything posted by another poster and vice versa. Very silly indeed but some folks need that validation while bemoaning others for seeking the same.

While summers here can be like the seventh layer of hell, I am loving "winter" in Phoenix right now. It's the yearly reward for openly bursting into flames for three months every year lol.

Again, why should they worry about where to stop pushing the Vette? It should always be pushed because that's how it got to where it is today and it can do it without a V12, end of discussion. Oh and a Porsche Cayman GT4 starts at $85K, which is more expensive than every Vette save for the Z06, and it cannot hang with it either.

Time to get away from talk about ridiculous cars that have nothing to do with GMs 6.2L DOHC engine.

You, again, missed the point. You know good and well the new Z06 will best the ZR1s time yet it didn't stop you from using a five year car to support your argument. Sorry, but it proves nothing other than your ability to cherry pick.

The CTS tanking sales is due to CUVs, just like every other sedan out there. This has been well discussed. And I know the Z06 has not been tested there yet that didn't stop you from using a five year old Vette as an excuse to prove a point you still have yet to prove. Again, based on that logic, I guess MB should be ashamed that a Camaro beat their six figure (and then some) 2012 SLS AMG GT, while you say that MB has nothing to worry about from Chevy.

And if we are going to use a four year old Vette time as a case study, can we also talk about the 4 year SLS AMG GT getting beat by a Camaro on the same course? If bar moving were a paying job, you could retire early SMK.

You are putting words into people's mouths again regarding performance and price. No one said the Vette beats all but it does beat a sizeable portion (your cherry picking aside, like citing a four year old C6 ZR1 Vette which I'm sure the current Z06 can beat) and that has been the one and only point on that. As far as price, again I say, so what? The Vette is ready for the jump and there will be plenty of folks waiting to put their big money down on a mid-engine American monster that truly plays with the "big boys" (i.e. The overpriced crowd). All points dismissed due to excessive bar moving. 15 yard penalty and a loss of down. Second penalty of 15 yards for yet another trolling "fancy Tahoe" remark, given that the "Fancy Tahoe" has been handing Benz it's ass in sales and comparos lately. If it is nothing more than a "fancy Tahoe", what does that say about the Benz that it beats (from the same company you claim that has nothing to fear)?

Almost all of that is the exact opposite of what they will do and with goood reason, the biggest one being that there is no need for a V6 Vette when the Camaro is already sniffing at its heels with it's V8 models. Also, why you would bring up the 3.6L, I haven't the foggiest. It literally has nothing to do with the 6.2L DOHC because it is a totally different type of engine other than being DOHC. There are no other connections to be made there other than for trolling purposes. The only thing that I partially agree with you on is the Cadillac statement. They should have something in the six figure collumn but that does not mean that the Vette cannot occupy that territory as well, if done right of course. There will be a lot of companies, Benz included, that should be very worried if they do pull a $150+K Vette off.

Actually the most profitable has been Porsche for quite a few years and all of your hyperbole and everything it entails still means squat because you were caught in a lie about both GM (what the Vette has done to much higher priced cars) and Ford (the fact that you forgot about the GT is just icing on the cake). You aslo have have no clue what kind of torque a DOHC 6.2L V8 is going to have. Given that the pushrod has plenty to spare, I think it's safe to say that the new one is going to surprise a lot of naysayers like yourself.

Again, I say, wrong and big whoop. "GM sort of tries". Yeah GM "sort of" hands the ass of cars costing three and four times the money with their "sort of tries" Z06. And Ford has the GT that has been killing the competition on the racing circuit so you're not even correct on that one either.

Can't wait to see a seven figure Mercedes hyper car sitting in the same lots as their $25K vans.