surreal1272
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Funny, because not even a year ago, some fans were touting Ford's record profits, which were mostly a direct result of higher ATPs on their breads and butter models. Guess when the shoe is on the other foot though...- 143 replies
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Again I understand what you're saying and I know a lot of the times, the "new tech" is just not familiar enough to some folks but it's still presumptuous to say that's what's going with the affected people now. There are these known as "defects" that could be the problem more than driver error, is what I'm saying.
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Have you actually talked to any of these owners having these problems? Seems rather presumptuous to assume their issues if you haven't. Now, if it is because of basic ignorance, then yes these people are hopeless but if you don't know for certain than that is a whole other ballgame. For the record, I think you may be right but since I haven't spoken to any of the affected drivers, I'll reserve judgement for now.
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Seeing as how Ford kept their inventories relatively low due to higher than industry average incentives and 30% fleet for the first nine months of the year, it perfectly appropriate to compare the two.
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GM has a total of nine CUVs and three full size SUVs. You are right about Cadillac needing a couple more but to say GM is slow to adjust to customer demand is just silly. They have more CUVs than Ford currently.
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Well duh Stew but this is now and they are working on it, much how FCA has been "working on" replacing the aging LX lineup for what seems like decades. And again, of course there will be blowback and of course certain media outlets have to make a bigger deal out of this than it is but it is going to happen regardless, for the benefit of the consumer, which is supposed to be the ultimate goal anyway.
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Of course there wil be some push back but its going to happen whether the weak dealerships like it or not. It also doesn't change my original point.
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You do know that Cadillac is addressing that very issue with their dealerships right? They are pairing (closing) the smaller market dealerships down and updating and renovating the rest. This has been well addressed here before.
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Yeah, they should have moved thirty percent of their inventory to fleet like Ford did the first nine months of the year. Oh wait, Ford had to stop production on the F-150 and Mustang for a short time too not even two months ago. GM will be fine.
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That does not take away from my original statement about FCA. For the record though, I do not disagree with the GM issues but it is easier to prove their losses are a result of the CUV craze than it is about the product itself. That is the difference between what is going on at GM and what is going on at FCA. The LX platform is two decades old and is in dire need of a shot in the arm but FCA seems content to hang it out to dry while making a bunch of empty promises about such.
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Come on Stew. FCA is suffering from both issues and this is coming from an 8 year Magnum owner and an LX fan. They have problems that go beyond just CUVs or lack thereof.
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I know I'm the wagon weirdo here but if they would have produced a wagon version of the G8 and brought it here, I would have been all over that.
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Sorry but by your own definition of the Buick/Cadillac issue, the same can be said and applied to Fords Platinum trims and Lincoln.
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The Aviator? Really? Sorry but the Ford Explorer II, I mean Aviator, does not fit into this equation as it relates to $90-100K cars. Why you even bothered mentioning that is beyond me.
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Exactly my point regarding Fords upper level trims.
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So how is it not a problem for Ford as well, being that you have stated multiple times that Fords platinum trims are more luxurious than Buick? It goes both ways here.
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You're the one that brought up the sales card while not playing whole deck, i.e. pointing out that the Conti outsold the much more expensive CT6 while ignoring it losing badly to the equally priced XTS. And right now, Lincoln has no answer for Cadillacs $100K SUV or sedan, so do you see how your Buick logic can be turned against you?
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@TaurusSHO--How exactly is that "grasping"? Also, why create an artificial scenario by excluding certain cars or CUVs to prove your point, get countered on that, and then say that it doesn't refute your point?
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So again, like I asked Wings, how is it a fault and a bad thing that Cadillac can sell their full size SUV and make a $h! ton of money on them, in the process? His going after the Escalade, in this case, would be like me going after Ford for the F-150, which is responsible for their highest profits and almost a third of their yearly sales. Who cares on both counts? They both make their respective companies a lot of money and the last time I checked, that was a good thing.
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Given that Lincoln sells an equal size SUV (can't be helped that Lincoln can't sell near as many even though they're cheaper than the Escalade), it makes the statement even sillier.
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When selling too much of a car is a negative for one company, but not the other company. Sigh.
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And who cares if the Escalade does inflate it? It's part of their lineup and it makes them a killing, which last time I checked was a good thing. It's like pointing out that Fords ATPs can be attributed to their biggest seller, the profit machine known as the F-150. When did it become a problem to make a profit? I guess it became one when it wasn't about Ford. And mentioning the Navigator as the reason for lower ATPs of Lincoln is silly for the simple fact that even if it was counted the same, there is also a $30k price difference at the top tier trim level to consider (Navigator vs. the Escalade). Like I said, excuses a plenty that matter not.
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And as I pointed out, it has everything to do with it unless you are beholden to the brand you are trying to defend. Your simply disagreeing with it doesn't make it any less true. The excuses have been plenty but the facts are even more plentiful.
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The CT6 starts at $10K more than the Conti and the gap is even larger on top tier models.
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Who cares? I'm not going to speak for anyone else but on that logic, would Ford fans be gloating about Conti sales if we were comparing it to the XTS alone or if (heaven forbid) is lost to the higher priced CT6? It goes both ways Wings. Oh and newsflash, never said it did but it's not hard to make a reasonable assumption about such things unless you are beholdened to the company you are trying to defend.
