surreal1272

This^^. Why some want to ignore and brush aside the fleet equation and the fact that Fords was well above the industry average for most of the year, is beyond me.

Here's nice look at incentives currently. http://www.realcartips.com/news/0743-biggest-car-rebates.shtml

Folks can talk about the Conti competing with the CT6 and sale figures but the fact is that it has more in common with the XTS, which sold more than the Conti and CT6 combined last month alone. Why MT fails to acknowledge the XTS is beyond me escpecially when the CT6 competes at higher price point. Take that for what it's worth and it does not take away from the many positives of the Conti. It's a step in the right direction for Lincoln and we should hope for its success.

And I would take any of them, including the 370Z, over this. It's ugly on the outside, even uglier on the inside, and an unreliable pile of top of that. That is the perfect recipe for never getting a dime from me.

So many more, and better, choices for $32K. Just a whole lot of "nope" there.

Why am I not surprised by FCA delaying yet another car or truck that is not a Fiat or a Jeep?

Not wanting to deal with certain aspects of ICE ownership is not a "phobia" and its rather pretentious and borderline condescending to even insulate it when the reasons have been clearly laid out by several posters here. Folks fighting against obvious progress because of their own "phobias" should consider this example. If you have to pee or poop, you can always go outside in the yard or the outhouse but I bet you choose to use the bathroom instead. Think about it for more than a minute.

First off, your scenario works for you. Congrats. That does not apply to everyone though and you know it. Second, that "no cost" is only good for two years with most makes. After that, it's coming out of your wallet and time (and my time is money so there's that too). Third, there are other savings and advantages that have been well discussed in other threads about EVs. A little research goes a long ways. And what ICE car can you possibly compare to a Bolt? All I know is that the company you hold stock in has an EV with a 140 mile shorter range and starts at $30K. Besides, it's called taking a chance and GM should at least be applauded for it. Like it or not, the future of most cars and CUVs is in EV tech and those costs will come down with every passing year, just like when hybrids made their way onto the scene almost two decades ago. This, this, and more of this! Too many here think that their minority examples are the norm when they are the exact opposite.

Yeah heaven forbid someone NOT wanting to deal with either and saving some time and money in the process.

Outside of not having to ever visit a gas station again, the maintenance schedules are one of the top reasons for me to consider an EV. Like Drew said, there are many reasons to want to go the EV route other than not needing gasoline and oil ever again. I'm telling you, I may make the leap to a pre-owned Volt with an eye on a full fledged EV down the road.

I think that's a safe number for them and it's good to know that if the Bolt really takes off, then they are prepared for the extra demand.

Riiiiight. You keep telling yourself that. And the topic os being discussed right above you there. Try to keep up.

Or better yet Dorothy, just click your heels three times and take yourself to place where I might actually give a damn. You were perfectly fine making it about me yesterday, insulting me, and trying to discount everything I (and others said) because it did not jive with your agenda (and that's exactly what it was) and now that reality has set in, you want to act like you have some moral high ground here? Seriously LMFAO here over that one. You don't get to just sweep all of that under a rug and act like it didn't happen because it did. So, to use one your more colorful lines, "Man the EFF up" and admit that you were just acting a like dick yesterday by trying to make this about me. Until then, refer to my posts above, i.e. You don't get to tell me what to do ever, mmmkay? So, I asked this yesterday and it got lost in the shuffle of insults and pettiness, so I'll follow up here. Any projections on sales for the Bolt @Drew Dowdell? Surely GM has a target in mind and I'm curious as to what they think is a realistic number for the Bolt.

Comments like "Man the EFF up dork" are what get threads closed, not anything I have said just now. You'd do well to understand the difference and stop telling me what to do.

Let me say this for you one more time. You don't get to tell me what to focus on...ever. Got it?

You mostly certainly did discount real world examples and you, of all people, don't get to tell me what to focus on. Really? So I'm the one telling you to "man the eff up" and calling you a "dork" because I present facts that don't jive with you? No. That is all you because you got your panties in a damn knot over it, hence your colorful responses. You have a strange sense of revisionist history but the truth was clearly laid out by you as evidenced by your little diatribes against me while having the nerve to tell me not to focus on people. And I quote, "Now man the efff up dork, and admit GM trails Ford by a significant margin." Yeah you weren't trying to make that about me at all (obvious sarcasm btw).

The Eco Boost reference was meant as a joke and not to be taken literally. I have a coworker with a FX4 model (a 2014 mind you) and he raves about the truck. He really seems to dig it and it is a sharp looking ride.

I was merely using eco-boost as an example of the absurdity that real world usage doesn't matter according to a certain user here. I agree with you about Eco Boost, all joking aside.

But he has science and and paper stats on his side and real world experience doesn't matter unless we are saying that the Eco-Boost doesn't deliver on real world MPGs.

Exactly but some people have to make a big deal over nothing in order to push their various agendas.

So right at a 10% drop at 100k miles and nowhere near 40%. Sounds about right.

And are you going to get your panties in a know if I don't "man the eff up"? Seriously. My twelve year old niece posts with more maturity than you, supposed 51 year old adult "man".

You realized wrong as always (I'm still waiting on proof of this long held belief of yours that I'm a GM fan being that I've never owned even one). I have said nothing because you mean nothing. I'll leave you be so that you can put that chain back on since it flew off from all that backpedaling you just did. Now again, back to the Bolt (and away from the usual meaningless insults from the peanut gallery)...

As always, thanks for your support @FordCosworth. I always know that I can count on you. Now, about the actual subject... Any projections on how many Bolts GM expects to sell @Drew Dowdell?

Never, not once have I said that GM outsells Ford on hybrids. Not once. That's a scenario you created to paint Ford as superior. Take your condescending BS and stick it back in the deck before you hurt yourself. Good thing I'm not a Toyota employee or you would not have jack $h! to say about hybrid sales. Just go pedal yourself.