surreal1272

Just going to leave this right here and I'm done talking about idiotic politics. http://www.latimes.com/nation/politics/trailguide/la-na-updates-trail-guide-kkk-trump-north-carolina-1478822255-htmlstory.html

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I am also sorry that your world literally got flipped around like it has. I can only imagine how big this is for you.

Certainty understandable @Drew Dowdell

Apparently we all forgot about this. The Lounge Lounge Rules While the Lounge is for members only, there are two key points we wish to have our members abide by: 1) Please use office talk. Talk that you would not use around the office, or infront of your boss for that matter, please do not use here on C&G 2) No political talk. There are plenty of forums on the 'net for that. Lets keep C&G free of political talk.

Defending Trump is like being okay with verbal diarrhea. Defending Clinton is like being okay with verbal constipation. BTW, they both suck. That is all because I'm with @dfelt here. Time to move on from this. We have four years to evaluate out new president.

I would up vote this a hundred times if I could.

I will say this about the election, now that it's over. All of these wild conspiracy theories about George Soros and voting machines from companies he doesn't even own, have been buried in the backyard with a shovel and a bag of Lyme, where they belong.

Or the Trump supporter who burned down a 100 year black church in Mississippi.

And their domestic inbred cousins are trying to do the same thing here. https://www.yahoo.com/finance/news/former-kkk-leader-david-duke-075823237.html

Very true but they will be cross shopped nonetheless.

The amount of bourbon that it would take for me to like this truck, would literally kill me.

"Latest Consumer Reports Auto Reliability Survey Has Buick In the Top 3"

There was a good reason for the Lincoln reference and it was actually a compliment to Lincoln as to why I mentioned it. For years, they were easily in CRs top 10 in the 2000s, using the same formula that Buick is using now (other than BOF SUVs). Understand that now or do you want to continue this stupid SJW crusade when it doesn't even apply here? True but that is not what the thread is about and he knows it. He wants to criticize me for bringing up Lincoln (which I brought up for reference in regards to Buick) while bringing up FCA like it doesn't matter (and he wasn't even referring to the CR report anyway). BTW, Ford is mentioned as well and since Lincoln is a part of Ford...

You really did click on the wrong thread because this is about Buick, not FCA.

I was trying to nice about it but it really is a mess inside and out. That interior looks like it belongs more in a Fiat 500 and not a Mercedes. I just cannot wrap my head around the ugliness of it all.

Simply hideous interior with a can't make up its mind what it wants to be exterior to match. Sorry but no.

This "Is Ford slipping" is just the ebb and flow of the business. It's just the constant cat mouse game that has been going on with these companies for a century now. They both have different ideas that will continue to make it a cat and mouse game. All that matters is how their ideas benefit the customer and not the stockholders and bean counters.

Maybe you should talk to your buddy who brought up Cadillac and GMC into this because he thought that I would be offended by it (of course, now it looks like it has been deleted). As others have alluded to, CR is crap overall but it is also a tool that one can use to gauge certain aspects of a car or truck (just not all aspects). It should be used with all other tools at the consumers disposal so that one can make an informed decision about their next car or truck.

Exactly my point for years. It just makes me giggle inside when folks just can't get over the fact that not everyone here is beholden to only one brand or manufacturer. I also have had many different results with past cars that would not be considered very good by some here while I have some really crappy experiences with cars that are regarded as having bullet proof reliability (looking at you Lexus ES300). I had an old 95 Eagle Talon for years, back in NC, and it was one the most trouble free cars I ever owned (save for the crappiest factory door handles on the planet). My point here is that some folks need to separate these one brand notions when talking to other folks because not everyone feels as strongly as they do about their ONE brand, whether it be GM, FCA, Toyota, Daimler-Benz, or Ford.

Well said @Suaviloquent.

I mentioned Lincoln because they are cut from the same corporate cloth as Buick. No need to get your panties in a knot over a simple observation. Btw, Toyota and Lexus have far more models than Lincoln with a lot of tech while still being reliable. Want to try a different argument?

A thousand times, this^^^!! and mentioning the interior shows that someone clearly has not looked at both, which are the same save for badging and Denali trims.

So Buick is just taking a page from the Lincoln playbook, only more reliably. Good news for Buick.