surreal1272

How much longer are you going to beat this dead horse? Why would a sloped roof, damn near coupe style, CUV even begin to entertain the option of 3rd row seats? Again, show us actual data about this 3rd row demand. All I know is that you flat out contradicted yourself there. The XT6 isn’t a hot seller with its 3rd row yet you insist that is what folks want. Baffling the double standard and constant bar moving here. Must be exhausting.

Okay, so now that a whole page has been wasted on talking about Mercedes (because apparently they pay their fans by the word) and how they are the best there ever was, maybe we can get back to the Lyriq.

Going to be mid to upper 80s here this week. Now, if it would come without the mandatory humidity, that would be great lol.

You know what? I am honestly done going in circles with you. I will leave you with this though. You think the EQS is not competing with the Tesla? How about you read this? Mercedes literally made the EQS to compete with the S. https://www.motortrend.com/news/2022-mercedes-benz-eqs-vs-tesla-model-s-specs/ Regarding the EQE, they are going the CTS route as a tweener car. And I quote, ”The German automaker is building an all-electric sedan called the EQE that will fill the space between Tesla's compact Model 3 and mid-size Model S.” And yet another quote from a different article. ”Although the EQE will be similar in size to a C-Class” So how in the hell is a C-Class to E-Class sized EQE supposed to be competing with a larger Tesla S (Using your size logic)?

The EQS would have been better off looking like a compliance auto than what it is (on the outside) right now.

I would bet $1000 to a donut that Mercedes, and everyone else, have been doing the EXACT same thing. Huh? The EQS has a competitor from Tesla already. And why would Cadillac want to compete in a "dying sedan market" (your exact words in the past)? That is literally contradictory to everything you have said in the past when Cadillac comes out with new gen sedan while not having enough CUVs. Pick a stance and stick with it. I will say this though. Be careful what you wish for. If Cadillac releases an EQS competitor, it is almost guaranteed to look a thousand times better than that undercover VW CC.

LOL! Easy mistake as it was horrible back there before switching to IRS. Again, heads of cabbage back there. It highlights my point though about size. On something like a Highlander, the 3rd row is utterly useless (part of the 90% useless crew) while on a full size SUV like the Slade, it's far more useable. Anything smaller than full size, is pure gimmickry.

Not true. 3rd row has been on standard Escalades for a while. Two different generations below and both are standard wheelbase. However, that doesn't mean they were bought for their 3rd row, like you said.

BS. If they did care, they would get a mini-van since they have ACTUAL usable 3rd row seats. 3rd row seating in most CUVS is pretty marketing gimmickry for folks who are too hip for a mini-van but have zero issues with a gloried FWD station wagon. Show actual proof that 3rd rows are proof of demand in CUVs and not because of marketing gimmickry. I'll give you some evidence though. Take the RX for example. The addition of 3rd row seating has led to horrible reviews of it and the addition of it was pure gimmick since the RX has NEVER hurt for sales with just 2 rows. Lexus only added it because the only other options in their stable are the GX and LX, both of which have glorified jumper seats in the back. Had they built a true CUV or SUV made for TRUE 3rd row seating (or just rebadged the Sequoia), you would never see it added to the RX. Again, 90% of those you mentioned could have no 3rd row and still sell like hotcakes. With that sloped roofline, they would be foolish to do so but you are correct in saying that they could do it. I guess if you need to throw a couple of heads of cabbage back there, it would work lol.

And 90% of those 3rd rows mentioned are less than useless for anything larger than a human skull. My Flex has better 3rd row accommodations than most of those although anyone taller than 5'7" is going to find it tight back there. I should also mention that I did not buy my Flex with the 3rd row in mind. I bought it because it has a crap ton of cargo room for its size, which is why most folks by the ones you mentioned above, more often than not. Attaching 3rd rows to these smaller CUVs like the Highlander is a pure marketing gimmick. It should be further noted that I scratched out the mini-vans you mentioned because A.) We are talking about CUVs/SUVs and B.) Given the mini-van market overall sales decline over the last twenty years, it pretty much kills your 3rd row demand argument where those are concerned. Now I get that slashes figures dropped because of shifting demands towards CUVs but ask anyone with those SUVs and CUVs which one is better suited to 3rd row usage. It sure as hell isn't CUVs and SUVs. Because the Slade has a boxier and taller shape for larger accommodations. CUVs with sloped roofs should not have 3rd row seats at all for reasons already mentioned. That covers more than half of the CUVs you mentioned above. Again though, marketing gimmicks sell.

See Balths response regarding 3rd row usage. I also mentioned nothing about wheelbase so maybe you include the quote of the person who mentioned it.

But “production” does not equal “production trim” being that the Lyriq is not actually in production yet. Semantics, I know but here we are. Deflection and it does not change the facts that Balth mentioned.

Which is all you had to say to begin with as opposed to making these endless assumptions about something you haven’t even personally seen much less sat in and driven.

AMG and Maybach versions of that jellybean shaped turd just means more expensive versions of the same jellybean shaped turd. Again, a CUV should have been their first EV, not a bland (on the outside) lower demand (since it’s not a CUV) sedan (an argument you have used against the competition for the last four years or so). The fact that you are trying to prop it up on its “largest screen” (ie more distracting) is very telling here. For the 99th time, Oldsmobile beat Daimler to the 4-door coupe punch almost a decade prior to the CLS. Just stop it already.

Why does it matter? Maybe the downvotes have to do with the “logic” itself more so than anything else. And yes, while looks are subjective, some things are obvious like trying to say that the 1st Gen CTS is the best looking CTS.? That thing is hideous and that has nothing to do with “beauty being in the eye of the beholder”. That is a $100K Mercedes that looks something that is a cross between the last gen Sebring and a 99 Intrepid. It does not scream luxury from the outside at all. And here I thought Benz was done with Chrysler/Dodge lol.

And skipping the fact that if we were talking about Cadillac putting out an EV sedan before they released a EV CUV, we would be hearing about how Cadillac dropped the ball by releasing an EV for the low demand sedan market and not putting out a CUV/SUV first. Also skip the fact that one would be paying $100K+ for a Mercedes interior underneath a VW CC skin when they get an EQS.

You and you alone feel that way. Everyone else with eyes knows better. Sorry. Both of those were parts bin specials on the inside and XLR was only nominally better looking than the first gen CTS on the outside, which was all slab and block while the 2nd gen cleaned all that up and actually has a far cleaner look to it, which is what you were touting above when you were making up excuses for the lazy exterior design of the EQS.

The 1st gen block shaped CTS? Seriously? Gen 2 was far and away design wise and it had a much cleaner look. You don’t even know which gen you’re trying to prop up here. 1st Gen 2nd Gen I mean, I know only come out to troll when it’s about a Cadillac but maybe you should just sit this one out. For you @smk4565, since you claim that Benz designs always go from concept to production like hot butter. https://www.motortrend.com/news/mercedes-vision-eqs-ev-design/

The CUVs are vaporware and that’s what I’m talking about. The EQS is pure bore on the outside but I guess if you like the look of a 2015 Volkswagen CC, that’s fine but at an expected $100K price tag, I expect a little more in the way of distinction on the outside. And yes, for more than $100K, the S-Class is boring as hell on the outside. Sorry, but this cannot be unseen once it is seen. 2022 S-Class 2019 Genesis G90 2019 Genesis G70 No doubt the Benz has a nice interior, as it should. However, the exterior is boring $h! and if you have to put a two tone paint job on it to make it look better, then it proves me right.

You mean that vaporware we’ve been hearing about for years now? Yet it looks like a lesser priced Genesis on the outside. Much like the EQS, the S-Class is just boring on the outside.

Looks far better as a CUV than the EQS does as a sedan.

You clearly have never had: A.)-Bad knees since you were 19 (thanks football) and B.)-Biked in a place like Prescott, AZ which 5500 ft above sea level and full of hills And this is from a former avid bike rider who loved his 21 speed Trek but those hills were murder on my knees when I lived in Prescott, even in the "easiest" gear. Literally wrong on all fronts. I've riden E-Bikes (in Arizona) and find them quite helpful while providing that good cardio. Do not assume someones condition based off of their need for an E-Bike.

Like those of us with horrible knees that still enjoy riding a bike. Yeah, those 3 bangers are something to behold for sure. ?

It actually is pretty sharp and shows that Cadillac is capable of putting out something a little more "daring" in design. And even though I know they are purely frivolous, I really dig the led sequential patterns going on with it.

Saw this on another site and its analysis (if you will) is spot on. The Benz EQS went from beautiful concept to a gloried 2000 Dodge Intrepid on the outside. It was a bean counters wet dream, by the looks of it. https://www.motortrend.com/news/mercedes-vision-eqs-ev-design/ Meanwhile Cadillac did the EXACT opposite and kept true to their concept with the Lyriq. The luxury and EV community and their respective buyers should take note of these events. https://www.motortrend.com/news/2023-cadillac-lyriq-first-look-review/ Yes because I'm sure pulling out of a race early never happened to ICE vehicles when they first started racing like this. Last time I checked, professional drivers still run out of gas on the track so...