surreal1272

Wet willy yourself junior. Say something worth upvoting next time instead of your normal trolling nonsense and that might change. And thanks for proving me right about convertibles and where they belong and don’t belong.

Only debatable to folks with out of date thinking and afraid to accept change ways. The rest of us know what’s coming and don’t have a problem with it. Good thing that little violin is still playing.

So no real response? You brought up the Dakota like it was somehow popular because Chrysler had other popular convertibles (outside of the LeBaron, you are shooting blanks there too). You pretty much proved my point about convertible as it applies to SUVs and apparently pick up trucks. Whatever success they may have had with convertibles did not carry over to the Dakota because there was NO DEMAND FOR IT. Get it now? No lack of comprehension at all because it was you who failed to read what I saying in the first damn place. Stop deflecting and stop acting you don’t know what I was saying.

Ah yes, the sedans that sell in less numbers overall than their CUVs. That makes complete sense </sarcasm>. As much as I hate the CUV market, it isn't going anywhere anytime soon with the exception of this crossover coupe nonsense. Those will eventually fade into the night.

"I can’t wait til this crossover craze blows up in all their faces." Does that include Mercedes Benz?

As a matter of fact @ocnblu, the trend has been moving upward towards the no haggle model and it’s not just the Costco/GM model which has been wildly successful. https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.chicagotribune.com/autos/sc-end-dealer-haggling-autotips-1020-20161011-story.html%3foutputType=amp “People who remain stuck in the old ways or are complicit to the old ways, will always remain stuck while the rest of the world moves on.”

You are utterly clueless as to what we both are talking about. Saturn is terrible example of what’s being done now. It was still a dealership and it’s problem had not &#036;h&#33; to do with its “no haggle pricing” and everything to do with the product itself. Seriously man. Pay attention to the actual facts next time instead of just making up your own.

Exactly my point. Not every damn thing out there needs a drop top and sure as hell not a CUV. Oh and that last pic is the convertible I would have only in black with a white ragtop and red leather interior. ‘59 please. Wildly popular? I know you are not talking about the Dakota Convertible. From an article that took all of eight seconds to find. “A scant 2842 adventurous souls took Dodge up on its top-down Dakota offer that year. For 1990, even with the addition of four-cylinder trucks and the color blue to the paint options, sales fell to just 909.” Source (and proving how not everything needs or should have a drop top). https://www.hagerty.com/articles-videos/articles/2018/06/27/1989-91-dodge-dakota-sport-convertible

It’s a special song for folks who complain about progress and change.

When you have actually read what I said and why I said it, then we can talk. Until then, like Drew said, this isn’t even for the US so you’re just spouting off about nothing as usual. For the record, this is a proper convertible and this is what you trade practicality for.

And playing just for you and those out of date ways,

You would know all about pishposh being an expert on the subject matter and all. He is not wrong. Dealers that do that are a joke and in this day and age, it is pretty damn easy to make dealerships regret the practice of overcharging just because they can. For all of Tesla’s flaws, their sales model will eventually spread to others who will get tired of these shady dealers that do nothing but make potential customers run far away from thus killing the bottom line of the manufacturers for which they sell. People are slowly but surely seeing through the tactic and eventually, the rules will change, pishposh and all.

Good grief. You seriously have a reading comprehension problem. It is a problem whether it is a CUV or an SUV so get your nomenclature straight before trolling as usual. The same issues exist (where do you stash removal top, what happens to cargo room when it’s just a retractable top, etc) so quit trying to split hairs where there aren’t any and actually read and properly comprehend what I’m saying before pulling your little troll act again. The key part of all this blu is that I am merely stating my opinion that overall, convertible SUVs and CUVs are pretty damn pointless, Jeep Wrangler not withstanding.

And they won’t. The dealership I worked at last year sure didn’t hesitate to take advantage of that practice with any hot model much less what’s going to happen when this comes out. Aside from what dealers will charge for this, it’s a miracle starting price considering everything that went in to it. My only concern will be if the quality will be there. Like it or not, Vettes have always been hit or miss when it comes to that and a first year mid-engine Vette may be no exception to this rule. We will see after a year or three.

Like I said yesterday though, the Wrangler was a top optional truck from the start and actually ended up with better rollover protection than those rolling death traps of the sixties. Everyone else has tried to copy it and failed miserably.

No one bought the Murano or the Evoque and with good reason. They are useless in convertible form. Exactly. In this day and age of “safety first”, those things wouldn’t even be allowed on the road today as new models. There was also the issue of what to do with certain tops and if you had the hard vinyl tops (that were on the old 80s model K5s and Broncos), then there was the issue of leaving them at home if you want to drive topless and praying to god that it didn’t rain on you while you were out and about or in a store. It’s simple logic why those failed and it’s even simpler logic why they don’t work in their current form today but some oxymorons have to troll just for the sake of trolling I guess.

Wow! You only had to go back more than fifty years to show the last time trucks had drop tops. How many years did those last and why did they stop selling them? Oh that’s right. I already answered that smart ass. See the difference in what I’m talking and whatever point you’re trying to make? Do I need to get some crayons and draw it out for you?

Big damn deal blu. Again, exception to the rule and quite honestly, that K-5 doesn’t pull it off that well either but at least the top doesn’t eat the cargo space, which if you actually READ my follow up post, you’d see why I think the crap made in the last decade or so are perfect examples of absolute waste. The tops retract into the back of these things thus killing the otherwise open and taller entry for cargo. Add in the extra weight and puny engines carrying them, and you have the perfect recipe of waste. That’s my point since you didn’t bother to read or understand my other posts regarding these monstrosities. Oh and those old K-5 drop tops might have been the thing back then but when people realized they liked being dry with the top up in the rain, they fell by the wayside. An old friend of mine had one years ago and it was a leak monster. Who’s the moron now ??

The Wrangler is an exception to the rule. It was built as a convertible from day one as a two door. Crap like the Murano, the Evoque, and now this hideous thing look absolutely hideous. It adds unnecessary weight to already underpowered CUVs/SUVs and reduces the biggest selling point of them, cargo room. Convertibles belong on two door cars and two door cars alone (Wrangler not withstanding).

No. Just no. “Convertible SUV” is an automotive oxymoron.

Not sure which gen GC your son has but the current generation of the GC is leaps and bounds better than the older ones (especially the late 90s/early 00s models). The Wrangler just has never been my thing. I’ve driven three different generations and they all have one thing in common. They are absolute back breakers everywhere short of the smoothest asphalt.

Yeah, not surprised here. For all the hype over the Wrangler over the decades, one thing had never changed. They are notoriously unreliable and now they are overpriced to boot. I understand why some folks defend them (for their off road prowess anyway), but you literally could not even give me one, even if it was brand new. Hopefully this fix helps those who paid way too much for it.

See dfelts post above outlining all the issues Mercedes is dealing with. And yes they are laughing because theirs is almost ready while Benz can’t figure out their own &#036;h&#33; so much so that they delayed it for two years while claiming “emissions problems” when that is clearly NOT the only issue. And the Valkyrie is using a Cosworth V12, not from AMG.

Meanwhile Aston Martin is getting their seven chuckles over this while they ready their Hypercar for release. The One will be old news in 2021. It also appears that the One’s issues extend beyond simple emission restrictions hence the two year delay. https://carbuzz.com/news/aston-martin-is-laughing-at-mercedes-amg-s-latest-struggle

Sorry but he is hitting that pipe pretty hard to make such assumptions, even by his fanboy standards.