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Is this IMPORT night at the local mall or SEMA? That's hideous. (go figure, it's a Toyota and it caters to the boyracers)

Yeah, they're not INNOVATIVE enough to make it in that segment... I mean, after all, it is Japan Inc. All they do is steal designs, improve on them, then blow everyone in the media to get the presses rolling with good PR. As for the trucks, the black one is the best option IMO.

Wow!!! I REALLY like this! If Opel could actually manage something like this, I might become a fan.

When I said I was going to buy a black SS, this is VERY close to what I had envisioned. EVILsexy

Man alive!!! What I could do with about $75,000 LOL.

Man... I'd LOVE to see another Trans Am series.

BE_AUTIFUL!!!!

Wow. It sure is an ugly little mofo.... Same organ-o-bland "I could've come from 5 other car companies as well" GME styling. Reminds me a lot of the current Vibe (Yet people here seem to hate that car and love this one)

We suffer... That's where it leaves us. (Seriously, this sh*t isn't going to be reversed in 2 months like the 'global government' seems to think. It's going to take years)

And I'm sure all of those mop buckets, broom sticks and trash can liners agreed with you.

What we need is a few strong, yet smart CAW members to sneak up behind this guy (or this team of writers) in a dark alley on night and "change their opinions"

I buy whatever the hell I want, regardless. I enjoy being the outcast, so more power to GM if it decides bankruptcy is the place to be.

Umm... And what's wrong with modified Silverado engines? (I know the "answer" just figured I'd get that off my chest) I certainly hope the new guy is as good... (But I doubt he will be... Somehow, I see an SVT like ending for GMPD soon enough)

Had the energy market NOT been de-regulated (which allowed WILD and UNFOUNDED speculation for the sake of a buck) by the government, we would've never HAD an energy bubble. This entire mess boils down to a LACK of government oversight in the over all market, It's not the fault of DEMOCRATS or REPUBLICANS; BOTH are to blame. Capitalism cannot be allowed to eat this country alive like a cancer in a hospital patient. Our government lost touch a LONG time ago. (I wish I had a dollar for every time I've said that over the past 5 years) In fact, the government no longer RUNS this country, it's governed by PACTS and corporations and wealthy people with special interests. Wherever there is money to be had, the government is there. After all, they need billions to finance the next circ de politico in 4 years, right? They stopped caring about you and me (the little people) a LOOOONG time ago. Hopefully Obama can begin to change that, but we'll see. The old saying goes: "Capitalism is creative destruction." and we're witnessing that firsthand in america (and to a larger extent) the world now.

But it is... According to plan... +1 Yes evok, we usually don't agree... But a lot of times that's because I don't want to hear the truth

So, a friend of mine asked me who I voted for. I told them McCain. They asked why. I responded "Because he is white." Is it wrong to vote for McCain because he is white? Consider the following; 1) By voting for McCain strictly based on race, I am subscribing to a VERY BASIC human quality of electing or hiring someone that is LIKE ME. We do this because it makes us feel safe. You can see a very good example of this in corporate america. It's dominated by white, homogenous, conservative men. All of you have probably interviewed for a job. Did you conform to the culture of the employer? When I go to a job, am I going to be clean shaven and wear a business suit or am I going to show up with my 7 inch long goatee (goatfield) and wear my typical attire of HD biker boots, a wallet chain, skull rings, dark sunglasses and a lot of black? We all know the answer... People hire, support & connect with other people that are like them. 2) By voting McCain strictly based on race, I have not insulted or undermined Obama in any way. I think he will be a fine leader and he is a very successful man that should be proud of his heritage. It's just my CHOICE to not support his heritage over my own. 3) When you choose a life partner, do you choose based on race? Is that wrong in a country that says you can fall in love with, date, have sex with and marry anyone you want? (Barring the same sex debates for the sake of simplification) You're certainly not insulting or chastising the other race by choosing not to date members of it. It's your choice to date who you want, right? What made me think about this was the unanimous support that Obama seemed to be getting from black voters. It was so strong here that black Obama supporters were specifically targeting and marketing to other black voters here on campus. I (a white male) asked for the literature that they were handing out and was ignored. At what point does racism play into this? Not that it was a big deal, but I must say that I was a little pissed off that I got ignored because I was white (or so it seemed) when I was genuinely trying to make up my mind on who to vote for. (You all know that I've been horribly torn on the issue this election) ______________________________________________ *** Of course, when I said that to my friend, I was joking around because 1) I didn't vote and 2) if I had, I'm not sure who I would've voted for. But our musings brought up an interesting question, in my mind. I'm from a sociological background, so I'm CONSTANTLY evaluating people and traditional norms in society and either 1) intenionally violating them (Most of you who know me well can see that through a lot of my posts or 2) trying to understand, explain or link why that person/group or culture acts or reacts the way it does. I brought this scenario up to my girlfriend that day on the way home. I even explained it to her WITH the sociological aspect at the forefront (Unlike I did with you guys, I pretty much tricked you to try and provoke a passionate response --- because that's what I want, a 'gut instinct' response) and she got really pissed off at me (She is an Obama supporter) and accused me of "just trying to start a fight" and said "I don't understand why you always try to start fights with people or just try your best to piss them off." I told her: "What you just said illustrates to me (my opinion, nothing scientific) that you feel what I said was wrong. DESPITE the fact that, technically -- if the scenario were true, I didn't violate any serious social norms or do anything wrong. I voted for a candidate because of the attributes that I liked about him and because I could identify with him better than the other candidate." Now, I want this to be a civil conversation. Open your mind and seriously think about what I said, then tell me what you think. I'm not looking for "a right answer" or " a means of justification" I just want raw, uncensored (but civil) opinions.

Too bad GMNA didn't kill GME when it was draining the bank accounts.

In this market, product isn't the problem.

Ever watch the news? Or a movie? Or any other form of pop culture?

Yep... Most of your Camaro buyers will be people who have already had successful careers. Now, a year or so down the road, maybe not so much. But then again, I don't see many people springing for Saturns either.

Mac all the way baby!

And, as more and more volume models are designed by GME, that will continue ALL AROUND THE WORLD. Like it or not, you cannot produce the EXACT same product (In the durable goods industry) around the world and sell it successfully everywhere. There are to many mitigating factors such as culture, beliefs, price, etc. You can, however, develop excellent global platforms and design each car for regions or continents around the world and be successful. GM apparently doesn't get that.

That is apparently GMEs plan... To eventually either sell 14 versions of the same car (Like GM did in the 80s & 90s) -or- Have a "GM epsilon model", "GM delta model", etc.

Which is one reason I oppose a Saturn/Buick/GMC tie up (as it would be now) Because as soon as GME gets rid of Pontiac to 'expand it's base' in america, it'll start whispering in GMNA's ear about how "Saturn and Buick essentially sell the same car, why not just fold Buick?" And that is why the Buick fans here should be against such a tie up.

ORLY?!?! Seems that I remember you saying that Cadillac with their CTS wagon put a stop to that? Hmmmm... As for the Regal, well it's a generic blob of crap. And, if any of you have been folowing the Chrysler polarizing design thread in the lounge, THIS is exactly what I'm trying to illustrate by saying that american cars sell on emotion. This design would do EXCELLENT if it were brought here as a Toyota, because it matches what people define Toyota as. But with a Buick logo, even the BUICK FANS hate the car, much less the general public. (Que the responses trying to prove me wrong with; "I'm a Buick fan and I like it.")