A Horse With No Name

Cadillac is doing just fine actually. Asking specific questions just moves the goal posts. You might as well say that my woodworking machines are not woodworking machines because I only build guitars and furniture, not Banjos and Bird houses.

Again, why are we debating a bland and unlikeable crossover that no one here has the remotest interest in buying? If internet threads could take Adderall this thread would need it badly.

Sure they can.

Neither can I. Good riddance to the whole lot, most of which was made into beer cans a long time ago.

I was thinking in terms of uninspired design more than build quality...but I would never recommend a Kia or Hyundai based on build quality either I would damn sure buy a Buick before I would buy a Hyundai, Kia, or Nissan. My Jetta TDI was flawless for the 56 thousand miles I owned it.

This is more "I would like to own one" rather than "they should build one...." Car makers would go broke in a hurry building cars to my taste...

Not sure how much it will affect other sales. Industry is soft right now...this will not help...

The RS was all wheel drive which is why it had an advantage.

Gee, an entry level low priced product outsold an expensive premium priced one. Fun fact, peanut butter and jelly are most often served with bread. Next thing you will be telling us is that boys pee standing up and girls usually pee sitting down.

There is always a market for marginal quality goods among people who really do not care...

In a car with worse reliability, less interior room, lower standards for fit and finish, less athletic chasis tuning, lower resale, decreased visibility, worse interior comfort, shorter refueling range, more difficulty in service and repair, higher parts costs, more expensive dealer service visits, decreased crash test safety, lower consumer reports reliability rankings...but yes, if you don't mind all of those and thirty other short falls...Hyundai will match Buicks power....just not much of anything else. Fixed that for ya...

A mess. One local dealer who sold a wide product range was telling me of how they ahve a whole bunch of cars with Takata Airbags that were not able to be sold...at the time they also had a bunch of VW diesel that had been sitting for a couple of years. I see a real parallel between table saws and cars, oddly enough. Liability is so high with table saw accidents that there are companies that have not manufactured table saws since the 1950's or 1960's that will not even admit they (or the parent company that has since been bought out and re sold multiple times) even made table saws. Emerson, the parent company responsible for the Sears Craftsman radial arm saws, is buying back and destroying saws as old as 1958 (so yeah almost 60 years ago) because of liability concerns. Link below; http://www.radialarmsawrecall.com/ I could almost see a lease situation for modern car where they have say a ten year engineered life and then they are bought back and destroyed. See the thread I posed up about the Rusty NB Miata frame in the lounge....the Nb series (second generation) of Mazda Miata was built from 1999 to 2005. if a car that new can rust like that, and Toyota Trucks had frame issues, and GM had key/ignition issues...and.... and... and.... and.....on and on...with all of the technology and sensors... Cars may become very disposable appliances, like it or not.

Methinks I like the idea of a horsepower war among entry level cars. Veloster will not be by any means whatsoever on my shopping list for my next car though.

Ahhh....Chrysler...so much wasted potential in what could ahve would ahve and should have been!

...no fire sale at all, as they will not be able to sell anything until it is repaired.

Nothing wrong with that... Ohhhh absolutely.

Looking forward to it....but I still want a modern Riviera and full size two door Cadillac convertible.

...what is that ugly strange spec disappearing in your rear view mirror, sir?

Again, you cannot reduce the auto market by saying everyone just needs to build more crossovers and eff everything else. If a flawed tall box was what people wanted the Econoline van would be still in production and the second best selling vehicle on the planet, right behind the vaunted Mercedes S class..

You clarified that just fine. I just prefer the look of the hard top and the visibility. However, if this is only going to be a top down summer cruiser, by all means get the convertible. I love convertibles...

The only thing I might change here is make the Mustang a fast back as visibility is better and road noise is less. But yes, wonderful choices.

Agreed! I would love that, actually.

Fixed that for ya....not a fan of the Sentra....

Resurrecting this....Riviera should happen...

Absolutely quoted for truth...