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    2020 Hyundai Sonata Hybrid Features A Solar Roof

      ..Expected to return 52 MPG Combined for the Blue trim level..


    The next step in Hyundai's Sonata offensive launched today at the Chicago Auto Show. The 2020 Sonata Hybrid features a 2.0L four-cylinder paired with an electric motor to produce a combined 192 horsepower. This is paired with a six-speed automatic which comes with new shift programming to improve the speed and smoothness of gear changes. Hyundai touts the Sonata Hybrid will return 50 City/54 Highway/52 Combined, but that is for the efficiency Blue model. Other models will return 45/51/47 on the EPA cycle.

    One interesting feature for the Sonata Hybrid is an optional solar panel roof that can extend the electric driving range by up to two miles (provided the panel is exposed to sunlight for six hours). The panel can also keep the various batteries around the vehicle charged.

    No word on pricing, but the 2020 Sonata Hybrid goes on sale later this spring.

    Source: Hyundai
    Press Release is on Page 2


    New 2020 Segment-Busting Hyundai Sonata Hybrid Makes North American Debut at Chicago Auto Show

    2020 Sonata Hybrid Highlights
    Best-in-class highway fuel economy on Blue trim level
    Class-leading combined fuel economy on Blue trim level
    EPA estimated 52 mpg combined fuel economy rating and 686 miles of driving range on Blue trim level
    Solar Roof System can increase driving range – think of it as up to 700 “free” miles per year
    Hyundai Digital Key technology (optional)
    The top front-seat leg and headroom in the segment
    Unique eco-friendly design cues improve aerodynamics
    Active Shift Control technology makes shifts 30% faster and smoother

    CHICAGO, Feb. 6, 2020 – Today at the Chicago Auto Show, Hyundai introduced its new 2020 Sonata Hybrid, boasting 686 miles of driving range and an EPA estimated 52 mpg combined fuel economy rating on the Blue trim. This is the first time the Sonata Hybrid has been shown in North America. The 2020 Sonata Hybrid is also equipped with the world’s first Active Shift Control (ASC)  technology and a Solar Roof System (SRS), which increase driving range. The new Sonata Hybrid goes on sale this spring and is built in Asan, Korea. 

    Overview
    The 2020 Sonata Hybrid’s exclusive styling has a slippery 0.24 drag coefficient, thanks to a unique cross-hole grille with active air flaps, a rear spoiler and aerodynamic alloy wheels. Hyundai Motor’s Solar Roof System makes its debut on the Sonata Hybrid. This system recharges the hybrid battery while preventing unnecessary battery discharge when the car is off. SRS can increase the driving range by a couple of miles after 6 hours of charging. Engineers also applied Active Shift Control technology to control the electric motor, aligning it with the rotational speeds of the engine and transmission, reducing gear-shifting times by 30%. This synchronization not only improves the Sonata Hybrid’s acceleration and fuel economy but also improves the durability of the transmission by minimizing friction during shifts.

    The Sonata Hybrid is equipped with a Smartstream G2.0 GDi HEV engine and a 6-speed hybrid automatic transmission. The engine’s power output is 150 horsepower and 139 lb.-ft. of torque. The car’s electric motor delivers power output of 39 kW (51 HP) and maximum torque of 151 lb.-ft. of torque. Combined system power output is 192 horsepower and EPA estimated fuel economy numbers are 50 city, 54 highway and 52 combined for the Blue trim.

    Mechanical Specifications

    2020 Sonata

    Hybrid

    2020 Camry

    Hybrid

    2020 Accord Hybrid

    Gasoline Engine

    Size

    2.0L I4 GDI

    2.5L I4 GDI

    2.0L I4 GDI

    HP/Torque (lb.-ft.)

    150 / 139

    176 / 163

    143 / 129

    Electric

    Motor

    kW (HP)

    39 kW

    (51 HP)

    88 kW

    (118 HP)

    135 kW

    (181 HP)

    Voltage

    270V

    259V

    N/A

    Net Horsepower

    192 HP

    208 HP

    212 HP

    Fuel Economy

    (city/hwy./comb.)

    EPA estimates

    50/54/52 – Blue       

    45/51/47 – SEL, Limited

    51/53/52 – LE        

    44/47/46 – SE, XLE

    48/47/48 – Hybrid


     

    Solar Roof System
    Hyundai Sonata Hybrid’s solar-panel roof directly charges the 12-volt and hybrid batteries and outputs 205 watts of electricity. This system has several benefits:

    • Mileage increases by about 2 miles per day
    • Helps prevent battery discharge from infotainment or HVAC systems when the car is off
    • Unique design cue

    Active Shift Control Technology
    ASC technology optimizes transmission efficiency by monitoring gear shifts 500 times per second and precisely adjusting the transmission rotation speed for faster shift times. ASC applies new control logic software to the Hybrid Control Unit (HCU), which aligns the electric motor with the rotational speeds of the engine and transmission to reduce gear shifts by 30%. The technology also delivers smoother gear changes and quicker shift times.

    “The development of the world’s first ASC technology is a remarkable innovation that incorporates precise motor control to an automatic transmission,” said KyoungJoon Chang, Vice President and Head of Powertrain Control System Group of Hyundai Motor Group. “It will not only save fuel but also provide a more fun driving experience for our customers.”

    Independently Developed Control Logic Software Applied to the Electric Motor
    Conventional hybrid vehicles do not have torque converters to improve fuel economy because torque converters lose energy while transferring power to the drive wheels. Although fuel efficient, such a system also requires longer shift times to ensure smoother gear changes.

    ASC technology allows the hybrid’s electric motor to also take control of gear shifts by applying new software logic to the Hybrid Control Unit (HCU) to mitigate issues with slower shift time. The HCU monitors the rotational speed of transmission with a sensor installed inside the electric motor at 500 times per second to synchronize the rotational speed with that of the gasoline engine.

    The synchronization reduces shift time by 30% from 500 ms to 350 ms. This improves not only the hybrid vehicles’ acceleration performance and fuel economy but also the durability of the transmission, by minimizing friction during gear shifts.

    Aerodynamics
    The Sonata Hybrid slips through air with 0.24 drag coefficient. The low drag coefficient is accomplished by managing airflow over and under the body. Up front, the Sonata Hybrid has active air flaps behind the grille, which close when less engine cooling is needed. A redesigned rear spoiler further improves airflow. To reduce drag under the body Hyundai engineers added several elements:

    • Bumper lip
    • Front- and rear-wheel deflectors
    • Undercovers in the front and back of the engine bay
    • Center floor undercover
    • Rear undercover

    Digital Key
    Continuing to promote the latest advances in technology, the new Sonata Hybrid offers an optional smartphone-based Hyundai Digital Key. Digital Key uses a dedicated mobile app, Near Field Communication (NFC), and Bluetooth Low Energy (BLE) technology to allow a new Sonata to be unlocked, started and driven without a physical key, via a smartphone. Sonata’s Digital Key also allows secure sharing of virtual keys with family and friends.  

    Sonata owners can tailor the different vehicle functions available to each shared virtual key, and can make the key available for only a defined amount of time. The vehicle owner can preset the duration of vehicle use or limit the use to only certain features when loaning the vehicle, and can also revoke keys remotely. For additional convenience, such as using a valet service or visiting a Hyundai dealer, Hyundai Digital Key also works with an NFC card, which will be provided with each vehicle. Each Sonata still comes with traditional keys. Hyundai Digital Key is compatible only with phones using the Android operating system. 

    Hyundai Digital Key utilizes NFC technology, which exhibits a high level of security. The NFC wireless data communication takes place only when the device and the reader are placed several centimeters apart.

    Optimized Hybrid Battery Placement
    By optimizing the placement of the high-voltage hybrid battery, Hyundai engineers were able to increase trunk capacity by 2.5 cubic feet, compared with the 2019 Sonata Hybrid. This placement also helps create best-in-class front headroom and legroom.

    Convenience Technology
    The 2020 Sonata Hybrid features a number of advanced comfort and convenience features including an electric parking brake, Hands-free Smart Trunk, Qi high-speed wireless smartphone charging pad with cooling fan, standard Apple CarPlay® and Android Auto®, Text-to-Speech via Bluetooth®, heated and ventilated front seats and split-folding rear seats.   

    The top-of-the-line audio and navigation display is a wide, high-definition, customizable, 10.25-inch touchscreen monitor with split screens and natural language, and cloud-based speech recognition powered by Blue Link, while the cluster supervision display is a full 12.3 inches. The navigation system includes a bird’s-eye view in navigation maps, and drivers get HD Radio traffic flow and incident data without ever paying for a subscription. Dual Bluetooth support is also available, so two devices can be paired at the same time—one for phone calls and one for streaming audio. The navigation system also comes with three years of Blue Link Multimedia/Map updates. Hyundai’s eight-inch display audio user interface, equipped with Android Auto and Apple CarPlay, is standard on the 2020 Sonata Hybrid. An optional Bose® audio system also delivers an exceptional experience to customers.

    SmartSense Safety Technologies
    Sonata features Hyundai’s latest SmartSense advanced driver assistance systems (ADAS). A series of sensors and systems, often restricted to luxury cars, combine to potentially warn the driver and may take action in the event of a safety incident. Meanwhile, other ADAS systems can help the driver perform certain tasks using the car’s 3 radar sensors, 12 ultrasonic sensors and 5 cameras. These features include:

    • Forward Collision-Avoidance Assist (standard)
    • Blind Spot Collision-Avoidance Assist (standard)
    • Rear Cross-Traffic Collision-Avoidance Assist (standard)
    • Lane Keeping Assist (standard)
    • Advanced Smart Cruise Control with Stop and Go (standard)
    • Highway Driving Assist (optional)


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    It seems like a great idea but it just doesn't seem like it is worth whatever it will cost or the additional cost to insure something like that. 

    It would be nice and all to be able to leave your car parked all day and your range goes up but its suuuuuch a negligible amount I can't imagine it would ever pay for itself. 

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    I could see the solar panel useful when parked in a lot like where I used to work in Chandler, AZ...10-12 hrs a day of sunshine in horrific triple digit heat day after day...

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    12 minutes ago, Robert Hall said:

    I could see the solar panel useful when parked in a lot like where I used to work in Chandler, AZ...10-12 hrs a day of sunshine in horrific triple digit heat day after day...

    There are scenarios in which it would probably work very well, that being one of them, but I don't see enough of that scenario being worth it.

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    Is it just me or does that back remind me of the Honda Civic with the lighting? 🤔

    1 hour ago, ccap41 said:

    It seems like a great idea but it just doesn't seem like it is worth whatever it will cost or the additional cost to insure something like that. 

    It would be nice and all to be able to leave your car parked all day and your range goes up but its suuuuuch a negligible amount I can't imagine it would ever pay for itself. 

    Really just a marketing bit with the ability to keep a fan going circulating air to have a cooler inside in hot weather climates I think.

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    if it's only like $500, i could see a big take rate for it, but if it's above $1000, only the greeny-weeinies will take it.

     

    this would be good for fleets that aren't used 90+%.. keeping the batteries topped off to lower maintenance needs.... yeah.

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    Awesome MPG, I like the optional solar panel too, that is really cool.  This new Sonata is really impressive, it looks good, has best in class interior and technology, now 52 MPG.  They brought their A game with this car, it is a stand out.

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    3 hours ago, Robert Hall said:

     in Chandler, AZ...10-12 hrs a day of sunshine in horrific triple digit heat day after day...

    Cry baby. It's a dry heat, bet you wish you were here right now! :D

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    2 hours ago, USA-1 said:

    Cry baby. It's a dry heat, bet you wish you were here right now! :D

    Nah.   FTS...

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    4 minutes ago, Robert Hall said:

    Nah.   FTS...

    We don't miss you either Bob. 😂

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    1 minute ago, Robert Hall said:

    Rob, never ‘Bob’.  I’m the anti-Bob. 

    Oh ok...we don't miss you either Rob. :D

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    17 hours ago, USA-1 said:

    Cry baby. It's a dry heat, bet you wish you were here right now! :D

    Ya can keep the horrible dry heat. I love my rain and snow! :D ⛷️

    14 hours ago, Robert Hall said:

    Rob, never ‘Bob’.  I’m the anti-Bob. 

    Until ya get your legs and arms cut off and then your the Pool Bob! :P 🤣

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    2 minutes ago, dfelt said:

    Ya can keep the horrible dry heat. I love my rain and snow! :D ⛷️

     

    Have had both in the last 24 hours...freezing rain changing to snow...about 6 inches of snow so far over the ice. About 30 outside.  And it was almost 60 Monday-Tuesday.   More snow in the winter means my trees and yard will be green and healthy, so I don't mind it.  I love the greenery as opposed to dust and beige everything in the desert void..

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    37 minutes ago, dfelt said:

    Ya can keep the horrible dry heat. I love my rain and snow! :D ⛷️

    BRRR!! 🥶 Ya can keep the nasty rain and clouds 10 months out of the year (grew up in PNW) I love my warmth and sunshine 325+ days of the year compared to nasty FL humid heat it's a big difference trust me, people like my buddy in FL bitch about the high humidity. Only 2.5 months of high heat here, that's when you travel to San Diego or Del Mar even the PNW in July and August to see family and friends 🏜️:D

    33 minutes ago, Robert Hall said:

    Have had both in the last 24 hours...freezing rain changing to snow...about 6 inches of snow so far over the ice. About 30 outside.  And it was almost 60 Monday-Tuesday.   More snow in the winter means my trees and yard will be green and healthy, so I don't mind it.  I love the greenery as opposed to dust and beige everything in the desert void..

    🥶 No thanks...🥶 " freezing rain changing to snow...about 6 inches of snow so far over the ice. About 30 outside." Yeah sounds awesome LOL!

    Yeah keep telling people that's what it's like here we don't want anymore!  I won't even post the beautiful pics I have of the NOT "dust and beige everything". That's why everybody and their dog is here right now...best weather in the country :neenerneener:

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    18 minutes ago, USA-1 said:

     

    Yeah keep telling people that's what it's like here we don't want anymore!  I won't even post the beautiful pics I have of the NOT "dust and beige everything". That's why everybody and their dog is here right now...best weather in the country :neenerneener:

    Remember, I lived there 9 years...yes, winter is nice..  May through October it beyond sucks.  Hell on Earth.  Too many triple digit days.  A sea of beige stucco houses in the burbs, ugly, ugly desert shit beyond that, dust and crap and unrelenting heat.   Now up north is nice--I liked Prescott, Jerome, Flagstaff..  I do miss my pool, the January car auctions, and a few restaurants..but that's about it...

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    18 minutes ago, Robert Hall said:

    Remember, I lived there 9 years...yes, winter is nice..  May through October it beyond sucks.  Hell on Earth.  Too many triple digit days.  You can keep it.  FTS.

    Been here since 2011 myself. Nice dip in 78 degree pool out in my backyard then back into nice climate controlled home. Love it!  Mid June to mid Sept. is all of Monsoon season and worst of it, but keep telling people what you think, it's great for population control here. I would never live in the mundane frigid Winters, humid Summers Midwest. FTS as well.

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    3 minutes ago, USA-1 said:

    Been here since 2011 myself. Nice dip in 78 degree pool out in my backyard then back into nice climate controlled home. Love it!  I would never live in the mundane frigid Winters, humid Summers Midwest. FTS as well.

    Whatever floats your boat... I FUCKING HATE THE FUCKING DESERT.  Been there, done that...the damage done...I love greenery and going out to the islands and lakes..  😀

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    8 minutes ago, Robert Hall said:

    Been there, done that...the damage done...I love greenery and going out to the islands and lakes..  :)

    Nice, glad you could get that anger out of your system LOL. Plenty of nice lakes here as well and San Diego/Del Mar is 1 hr. by jet.

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    4 minutes ago, USA-1 said:

    Nice, glad you could get that anger out of your system LOL. Plenty of nice lakes here as well and San Diego/Del Mar is 1 hr. by jet.

    I love San Diego/Del Mar..used to go there 3-4 times a year.  .The lakes here are in green wooded areas...and I have Lake Erie...huge.  The lakes in AZ still have desert ugly around them...

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    Just now, Robert Hall said:

    The lakes in AZ still have desert ugly around them...

    Yep...ugly AZ desert...who knew? 😎

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    Roosevelt Lake AZ

     

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    Haigler Canyon AZ

     

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    Near Young Hwy. AZ

     

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    Camelback Mountain AZ

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    4 hours ago, USA-1 said:

    BRRR!! 🥶 Ya can keep the nasty rain and clouds 10 months out of the year (grew up in PNW) I love my warmth and sunshine 325+ days of the year compared to nasty FL humid heat it's a big difference trust me, people like my buddy in FL bitch about the high humidity. Only 2.5 months of high heat here, that's when you travel to San Diego or Del Mar even the PNW in July and August to see family and friends 🏜️:D

    🥶 No thanks...🥶 " freezing rain changing to snow...about 6 inches of snow so far over the ice. About 30 outside." Yeah sounds awesome LOL!

    Yeah keep telling people that's what it's like here we don't want anymore!  I won't even post the beautiful pics I have of the NOT "dust and beige everything". That's why everybody and their dog is here right now...best weather in the country :neenerneener:

    Keep delusion-ally telling yourself how you love it there. Being born here, the one thing you always do is put 6500K lights in your house so you have sun equal lighting. Never a dull depressed day. Love the drizzle 9 months of the year and the 3 months of summer that is 70-80's, no humidty and sunny. Plus gotta love our summer days of daylight from 4:30am to 11pm. 2 days in one. Work early morning and still enjoy a day of play after work.

    Yup, will keep my hiking, camping, outdoor activities year round. Course love that we have more boats registered here than auto's. After all so many lovely places to boat too and explore.

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    Love my winter views when skiing.

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    Better yet is my office view for working during the week.

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    Yea can keep your heat hell of sun and skin cancer. I will enjoy the clouds and mountains and beauty of the PNW. Course your always welcome to come visit! :D 

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    2 hours ago, USA-1 said:

    Yep...ugly AZ desert...who knew? 😎

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    Roosevelt Lake AZ

     

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    Haigler Canyon AZ

     

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    Near Young Hwy. AZ

     

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    Camelback Mountain AZ

    Glad you like it there, pretty pics, but still too warm for me. Anything over 60 is bloody hot. If I could do my job from Alaska, I would move there. :D 

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    43 minutes ago, dfelt said:

    Keep delusion-ally telling yourself how you love it there. Being born here, the one thing you always do is put 6500K lights in your house so you have sun equal lighting. Never a dull depressed day. Love the drizzle 9 months of the year and the 3 months of summer that is 70-80's, no humidty and sunny.

     

    HA!! Keep delusion-ally telling yourself it's "drizzle" LMAO! Born and raised up there trust me it's RAIN then POURING DOWN RAIN not much else! Sad to have to install artificial lighting to keep you from being depressed in an area of the country with the Highest level of seasonal depression, that being the PNW, then maybe 2 months of Summer, if you're lucky July and August. Remember I grew-up there working on a farm in the constant cold and rain so I know first hand what the weather is like, ALWAYS cold and wet.

    FYI, we had more snow in Northern AZ than the rest of the country in December (look it up) so we have it all here in one State not just rain, snow and ice and no way to get away from it, if I want to go skiing up North or be in the snow I can, but I'm not forced to live in an Arctic hell. :D  Feel free to come defrost anytime, my family still living in OR does often.

    37 minutes ago, dfelt said:

    Glad you like it there, pretty pics, but still too warm for me. Anything over 60 is bloody hot. If I could do my job from Alaska, I would move there. :D 

    60 is freezing to me 😂 80 is perfect to each their own. Funny because my aunt and uncle who live on the Kenai Pennisula have a house here in AZ as well to come defrost. My parents still living in Oregon have a home here as well :D

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    4 hours ago, USA-1 said:

    HA!! Keep delusion-ally telling yourself it's "drizzle" LMAO! Born and raised up there trust me it's RAIN then POURING DOWN RAIN not much else! Sad to have to install artificial lighting to keep you from being depressed in an area of the country with the Highest level of seasonal depression, that being the PNW, then maybe 2 months of Summer, if you're lucky July and August. Remember I grew-up there working on a farm in the constant cold and rain so I know first hand what the weather is like, ALWAYS cold and wet.

    FYI, we had more snow in Northern AZ than the rest of the country in December (look it up) so we have it all here in one State not just rain, snow and ice and no way to get away from it, if I want to go skiing up North or be in the snow I can, but I'm not forced to live in an Arctic hell. :D  Feel free to come defrost anytime, my family still living in OR does often.

    60 is freezing to me 😂 80 is perfect to each their own. Funny because my aunt and uncle who live on the Kenai Pennisula have a house here in AZ as well to come defrost. My parents still living in Oregon have a home here as well :D

    :roflmao: So growing up in Oregon then explains allot as you where either a Duck or Beaver fan and your right Oregon gets Rain, Washington gets rain but allot of drizzle.

    FYI, Snow fall averages by state show AZ with less than 5 inches a year compared to Washington with almost 16. http://www.usa.com/rank/us--average-snow--state-rank.htm

    Just to also set the record straight, Washington leads the Nation in recorded snow fall at our Ski Resorts. Mt. Baker leads the way with 701" average. That is 58 feet and 5 inches of snowfall. Like metric, 1,780.54 cm or 17.8 meters of snow. AZ seems to be missing from this list of most snow fall..............

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    Your right on one thing, do not have to have sun equal lights, but with the cloud cover it does end up darker more often than sunny. No depression in my household or family lines, but we do like to see what we are reading, eating, etc. Plus as one that enjoys having people over for Korean BBQ dinners and wine drinking, I like to have a warm, cheerful household for others to visit. Thinking of everyone else in wanting them to have an enjoyable time. Plus the 6500K led bulbs are dirt chip at Costco and pretty much will last forever, far better than the old incandescent bulbs which burn out so often.

    Glad you love your sun and heat, more for you and more cold for me. Sitting here in shorts and a tshirt with snow in the mountains and cold rain here, 39 degrees. Loving it!!!! :D 

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    40 minutes ago, dfelt said:

    :roflmao: So growing up in Oregon then explains allot as you where either a Duck or Beaver fan and your right Oregon gets Rain, Washington gets rain but allot of drizzle.

    FYI, Snow fall averages by state show AZ with less than 5 inches a year compared to Washington with almost 16.

    Your right on one thing, do not have to have sun equal lights, but with the cloud cover it does end up darker more often than sunny. No depression in my household or family lines, but we do like to see what we are reading, eating, etc.

    Glad you love your sun and heat, more for you and more cold for me. Sitting here in shorts and a tshirt with snow in the mountains and cold rain here, 39 degrees. Loving it!!!! :D 

    Oh Oregon gets drizzle on the coast and Washington doesn't really have a defined coastline so yeah it's a little different, but being 3 hour drive North it's not much. It's also consistently 6 - 8 degrees warmer in Oregon so there's that too. :D

    For the record I said for December AZ had more snow than the rest of the country at that time not at this time, but we'll have a much higher average for AZ than the current average snowfall from the list you were looking at from past years. I know Lake Tahoe and Colorado as well as the PNW and other areas OBVIOUSLY get WAY more snow than AZ, but in Dec. we were getting hammered with snow in Northern AZ at Snowbowl Ski Resort (52" base right now) it was abnormally cold during Christmas too, low 50's instead of mid 60's in The Valley (Phx Metro for you tourists lol). Yeah, we have LED lights here too LOL but we don't need ponchos to eat outside 9 mos. out of the year either :roflmao:

    You're certifiable crazy dressed like that in 39 degree weather! 🥶 We laugh at tourists like you that come here this time of year wearing shorts and T-shirts when 50 degrees out 😂

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    16 minutes ago, USA-1 said:

    Oh Oregon gets drizzle on the coast and Washington doesn't really have a defined coastline so yeah it's a little different, but being 3 hour drive North it's not much. It's also consistently 6 - 8 degrees warmer in Oregon so there's that too. :D

    For the record I said for December AZ had more snow than the rest of the country at that time not at this time, but we'll have a much higher average for AZ than the current average snowfall from the list you were looking at from past years. I know Lake Tahoe and Colorado as well as the PNW and other areas OBVIOUSLY get WAY more snow than AZ, but in Dec. we were getting hammered with snow in Northern AZ at Snowbowl Ski Resort (52" base right now) it was abnormally cold during Christmas too, low 50's instead of mid 60's in The Valley (Phx Metro for you tourists lol). Yeah, we have LED lights here too LOL but we don't need ponchos to eat outside 9 mos. out of the year either :roflmao:

    You're certifiable crazy dressed like that in 39 degree weather! 🥶 We laugh at tourists like you that come here this time of year wearing shorts and T-shirts when 50 degrees out 😂

    Maybe my friend you need to workout more, bulk up so you can handle that cool nice moist air! :P 

    FYI Stevens where I ski has a base of 108" as of today. Baker has a base of 165" today. Season is so young, lots of months left to ski. :D 

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    4 minutes ago, dfelt said:

    Maybe my friend you need to workout more, bulk up so you can handle that cool nice moist air! :P 

    FYI Stevens where I ski has a base of 108" as of today. Baker has a base of 165" today. Season is so young, lots of months left to ski. :D 

    I'll show you bulk 😁

    Good base less exposed rocks for you to hit, you don't need more damage 🤣

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    1 minute ago, USA-1 said:

    I'll show you bulk 😁

    Good base less exposed rocks for you to hit, you don't need more damage 🤣

    Remember, I am 6'6" 280lbs and I workout daily. right now 20% body fat, working to get back to my competition days of 15%. I hit hard when I fly down the mountain, my bulk might bruise you my friend! :roflmao:

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    Just now, dfelt said:

    Remember, I am 6'6" 280lbs and I workout daily. right now 20% body fat, working to get back to my competition days of 15%. I hit hard when I fly down the mountain, my bulk might bruise you my friend! :roflmao:

    Right and I'm 6'3" 240 and hit the gym 5 days a week, not intimidated my friend. Know any martial arts? I do. :D

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    4 minutes ago, USA-1 said:

    Right and I'm 6'3" 240 and hit the gym 5 days a week, not intimidated my friend. Know any martial arts? I do. :D

    Very Cool, trained in Muay Thai

    Train weekly with my son. After all we are in the era of Mixed martial arts and UFC! :D 

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    12 minutes ago, dfelt said:

    Very Cool, trained in Muay Thai

    Train weekly with my son. After all we are in the era of Mixed martial arts and UFC! :D 

    Nice!

    Taekwondo Jun Hook Dee :D

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    14 hours ago, dfelt said:

    Glad you like it there, pretty pics, but still too warm for me. Anything over 60 is bloody hot. If I could do my job from Alaska, I would move there. :D 

    I'd be happy with a climate where the temps ranged from 55-75 with about 20% humidity.   Some sun is ok, but I don't like continuous sun.

    8 hours ago, dfelt said:

    Remember, I am 6'6" 280lbs and I workout daily. right now 20% body fat, working to get back to my competition days of 15%. I hit hard when I fly down the mountain, my bulk might bruise you my friend! :roflmao:

    I have you beat on the body fat...I think I'm around 35%.   6'0" 240lbs, never work out.  

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    5 hours ago, Robert Hall said:

    I'd be happy with a climate where the temps ranged from 55-75 with about 20% humidity.   Some sun is ok, but I don't like continuous sun.

    I have you beat on the body fat...I think I'm around 35%.   6'0" 240lbs, never work out.  

    Robert your always welcome to move to Seattle. You would fit right in, temp range is very common here, snow is only a few days a year, rest stays where it belongs, in the mountains.

    September 1 2018 I decided to make some changes in my life and went back to my old body building focus days. At that time my tank test and bone density test came out at 35% body fat which is way too high for me but lucky my bone density is higher than normal, was 1.4 on the 0 to 2 scale. Average bone density for most 50 year olds is a .7 to .8 as men hit their max bone density in their late 20's. You can always get some back by weight lifting and drinking / eating dairy which is very important in our later years. So retested just recently to check in on my body fat. Bone density only needs to be done every 10 years they say once you hit 50. Good way to know if you will end up stooped over and using a walker or standing tall.

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    I know I need to get in better shape...too much sitting on my butt.  And I'll be 50 in four months...

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    24 minutes ago, Robert Hall said:

    I know I need to get in better shape...too much sitting on my butt.  And I'll be 50 in four months...

    You can do it my friend, I believe everyone can. Not sure if you have them there local, but there is a company here that is called Orange Theory fitness. My daughter has never been one to like working out and there she has stuck with it now for 1 1/2 years and likes the group workouts and social and has lost noticeable weight.

    https://www.orangetheoryfitness.com/

    Highly recommend this kind of program for those that are not inclined to push themselves to a gym. Good luck my friend with your physical fitness challenge.

    Looks like they have multiple in your area according to their location search for Cleveland Ohio.

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    6 hours ago, dfelt said:

    You can do it my friend, I believe everyone can. Not sure if you have them there local, but there is a company here that is called Orange Theory fitness. My daughter has never been one to like working out and there she has stuck with it now for 1 1/2 years and likes the group workouts and social and has lost noticeable weight.

    https://www.orangetheoryfitness.com/

    Highly recommend this kind of program for those that are not inclined to push themselves to a gym. Good luck my friend with your physical fitness challenge.

    Looks like they have multiple in your area according to their location search for Cleveland Ohio.

    Orange Theory is a pretty hardcore cardio class. My gf does it, she loves it.

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    After going wildly off-topic (my bad), any other thoughts on this new Sonata Hybrid?  it's a good looking sedan, much better than the original Sonata Hybrid a couple generations back--that one had a hideous front end. 

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    Styling-wise, its both random & generic. Nose looks really bulbous.

    2 miles of range after a full 6 hrs of sunlight is staggeringly pointless.

    So is the smaht pahk feature. Feels like hyundai is going down a rabbit hole of irrevelence.

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    any other thoughts on this new Sonata Hybrid?

    I like...umm... the smaht pahk commercial???

    The C Pillar and profile is toooooo much like the Chevy Malibu for me to give a shyte about the Sonata.

    The whole damned car just looks like it could be a possible badged version of a Pontiac, Oldsmobile, Buick...

    Image result for hyundai sonata 2020

    Image result for Chevy M<alibu side profile

     

    I wouldnt have minded the Sonata if it WERE a GM badge engineered version of the Malibu branded as a Pontiac/Olds/Buick. It is as good looking as that Malibu is. (Or had it been 100% Hyundai's design efforts).  Which is not bad actually as far as medium sized family haulers go. But to blatantly mimic a design that is 5 years old already that is also being suggested that GM will kill off the Malibu just seems to be lazy design work for Hyundai. And NOT acceptable. 

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

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    6 minutes ago, oldshurst442 said:

    I like...umm... the smaht pahk commercial???

    The C Pillar and profile is toooooo much like the Chevy Malibu for me to give a shyte about the Sonata.

    The whole damned car just looks like it could be a possible badged version of a Pontiac, Oldsmobile, Buick...

    Image result for hyundai sonata 2020

     

     

    I wouldnt have minded the Sonata if it WERE a GM badge engineered version of the Malibu branded as a Pontiac/Olds/Buick.   

    At least Hyundai and Kia are still making sedans, unlike GM...  I like the rear, esp. the taillights...front is interesting...

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    Sedans are dying off, people don’t want them anymore. Everything that can be done basically has been, but it’s not stopping the sales slide. Sonata I believe has fallen well off it’s peak, and this effort isn’t going to move the needle the other way.

    EDIT :: 2011-2012 : 226-230K

    2019 : 87K

    Malibu sold 120K in ‘19.

    Sonata will be 💀 sooner rather than later.

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    26 minutes ago, Robert Hall said:

    At least Hyundai and Kia are still making sedans, unlike GM...  I like the rear, esp. the taillights...front is interesting...

    Touché, pushee catte.

     

    19 minutes ago, balthazar said:

    Sedans are dying off, people don’t want them anymore. Everything that can be done basically has been, but it’s not stopping the sales slide. Sonata I believe has fallen well off it’s peak, and this effort isn’t going to move the needle the other way.

    But then...there is that...

    But then again, Hyundai could have at least done their own spin on things...its not as if the Malibu is at the top of the sales charts in their segment. The Camry, Accord and Fusion are on top and all three more or less have there own style going on.  (loosely and arguably...)

    Nissan...Nissan is doing there own thing also with the Maxima/Altima and the Sentra (which now looks like a smaller version of the Maxima) which I like better than what Hyundai has done with the Sonata. I may be the only one to think that...and I understand what Ive just said as Nissan I believe sells even less than what Chevy sells with the Impala and Malibu. 

    I dont expect Hyundai to reinvent the segment, but at least TRY to be original.

    Image result for 2013 sonataç

    Horrific front end or not, that gen Sonata launched Hyundai in this segment as a true player. It also started the 4 door coupe styling for family cars. OK...it might have helped to kill off the segment too by unsuspectingly leading more people into buying CUVs, but at least it was original FORCING Ford, GM, Honda, Toyota to copy THAT very style. 2 generations and 7 years later, for the Sonata, and  Hyundai seems lost in what styling they need to go with the Sonata.  The gen in between was boring, stale. This new gen has more elegant styling flair, but too bad it closely resembles a dying GM design...  

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    19 minutes ago, balthazar said:

    Sedans are dying off, people don’t want them anymore. Everything that can be done basically has been, but it’s not stopping the sales slide. Sonata I believe has fallen well off it’s peak, and this effort isn’t going to move the needle the other way.

    That's a bleak view...It's good to see some companies keeping up the fight, though...fighting against the dying of the light... a market with only CUVs and trucks would be pretty boring.

     

     

    4 minutes ago, oldshurst442 said:

     

    I dont expect Hyundai to reinvent the segment, but at least TRY to be original.

    Image result for 2013 sonataç

    Horrific front end or not, that gen Sonata launched Hyundai in this segment as a true player.  

    The regular Sonata of that generation had a decent front end, it was the Hybrid that was horrific, IMO:

    2012_hyundai_sonata-hybrid_sedan_base_fq_oem_5_500.jpg

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    2 minutes ago, Robert Hall said:

    That's a bleak view...It's good to see some companies keeping up the fight, though...fighting against the dying of the light... a market with only CUVs and trucks would be pretty boring.

     

     

    The regular Sonata of that generation had a decent front end, it was the Hybrid that was horrific, IMO:

    2012_hyundai_sonata-hybrid_sedan_base_fq_oem_5_500.jpg

     That is God awful ugly.  Swear words (as in...that is phoquing ugly) wont do justice in expressing how ugly that is. Id rather be seen in the ugliness of European luxury CUV/SUVs than this horrific thing.  (high end badging and posh interiors aside) 

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    1 minute ago, oldshurst442 said:

     That is God awful ugly.  Swear words (as in...that is phoquing ugly) wont do justice in expressing how ugly that is. Id rather be seen in the ugliness of European luxury CUV/SUVs than this horrific thing.  (high end badging and posh interiors aside) 

    A friend said it looked like an evil fish.

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    On 2/7/2020 at 11:45 PM, dfelt said:

    Very Cool, trained in Muay Thai

    Train weekly with my son.

    Awesome that you train with your son!!!

     

    On 2/7/2020 at 11:45 PM, dfelt said:

     After all we are in the era of Mixed martial arts and UFC! :D 

    Ummmmm...like most things in today's western pop culture...things got to a start in the awesome 1980s!!! (with martial arts...a spark from the late 1960s and 1970s perhaps?)  

     

    And into the 1990s...

     

    Today's UFC does not resemble what was once a 1980s/1990s movie fantasy, but yeah!!!  

     

     Image result for 1980s karate arcade game

     

    Sorry that I derailed the thread.   NOT!!!

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    1 hour ago, Robert Hall said:

    That's a bleak view...It's good to see some companies keeping up the fight, though...fighting against the dying of the light... a market with only CUVs and trucks would be pretty boring.

    That’s not ‘bleak’; its reality. Can’t recall a sharper decline in such a short period in an automotive segment ever. 230K to 87K in 7 years?!?

    As far as CUVs being boring, so are family sedans.

    Trucks, at least, are interesting. SO much variety/customization.

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    4 hours ago, balthazar said:

    That’s not ‘bleak’; its reality. Can’t recall a sharper decline in such a short period in an automotive segment ever. 230K to 87K in 7 years?!?

    As far as CUVs being boring, so are family sedans.

    Trucks, at least, are interesting. SO much variety/customization.

    Sadly while most auto companies will kill off their cars, I suspect that Toyota Lemmings will keep their cars going and we will have the blah ugly Toyo cars for ever. :( 

    I will give Hyundai credit for taking a risk and making this car. Lots of reasons to just kill them off, but they went ahead and built it still.

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    On 2/9/2020 at 11:25 AM, oldshurst442 said:

     

    The C Pillar and profile is toooooo much like the Chevy Malibu for me to give a shyte about the Sonata.

    The whole damned car just looks like it could be a possible badged version of a Pontiac, Oldsmobile, Buick...

    Image result for hyundai sonata 2020

    Image result for Chevy M<alibu side profile

     

    I wouldnt have minded the Sonata if it WERE a GM badge engineered version of the Malibu branded as a Pontiac/Olds/Buick. It is as good looking as that Malibu is. (Or had it been 100% Hyundai's design efforts).  Which is not bad actually as far as medium sized family haulers go. But to blatantly mimic a design that is 5 years old already that is also being suggested that GM will kill off the Malibu just seems to be lazy design work for Hyundai. And NOT acceptable.

     

    That's been Hyundai's thing for a while now. They used to have their own style with the "Fluid Design Language" 10 years ago, but now R&D takes a backseat to advertising. Hyun is pretty big in Pro sports now, they spend a huge chunk of cash with the NFL sponsorship and pretty sure they spent quite a bit more on commercials than any other auto manf. in the Superbowl this year. Just saw an ad the other day that they will pay you 40 bucks to go take a test drive of one of their new cars. All you see is Hyundai ads constantly in your face, like they want to make some people surrender, "Ok, ok I'll go look and drive one of your d@mn cars for 40 bucks just leave me alone!" :D

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    A couple years ago I test drove an Elantra GT just for the $40 Amazon card. it was a pretty nice car and if I were in the market for a small hatch, I would have seriously considered it.

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