Detroit Preview: 2018 BMW X2

Far better than the X1 and I applaud them for not going the Crappy Coupe style. Still very blah to me.

This is pretty random of myself but lately I've been wanting an X1 xDrive35i and to lower it. It would basically be a hot hatch with 300hp and AWD working on the last great 3 Series chassis, E90. 

8 minutes ago, ccap41 said:

This is pretty random of myself but lately I've been wanting an X1 xDrive35i and to lower it. It would basically be a hot hatch with 300hp and AWD working on the last great 3 Series chassis, E90. 

Or you could just save yourself some time and get this lil dune-buggy.

Yeahhhh.. but it's a tiny CUV which is just odd to me. I either want car-like or at least a little larger CUV. X1's are small. Something even smaller than that is ridiculous. 

This all came to mind two weeks ago when an X1 passed me on the interstate and I was amazed at how tall it WASN'T. Then I looked them up and it is only 3 inches taller than my Focus hatch. So if I lowered it a bit.. boom, hot hatch! It'd be a tad larger, more power, great chassis.. but they weigh like 3900lbs LOL. 

Just now, ccap41 said:

Yeahhhh.. but it's a tiny CUV which is just odd to me. I either want car-like or at least a little larger CUV. X1's are small. Something even smaller than that is ridiculous. 

This all came to mind two weeks ago when an X1 passed me on the interstate and I was amazed at how tall it WASN'T. Then I looked them up and it is only 3 inches taller than my Focus hatch. So if I lowered it a bit.. boom, hot hatch! It'd be a tad larger, more power, great chassis.. but they weigh like 3900lbs LOL. 

Wow! That's like AWD V6 Buick Lacrosse heavy!

3 minutes ago, Drew Dowdell said:

Wow! That's like AWD V6 Buick Lacrosse heavy!

Right?!?! I couldn't believe the review I read that said it was like 39XX lbs. I'll try and find it again. 

That was easy...

C/D X1 xDrive 35i test

2 hours ago, dfelt said:

Far better than the X1 and I applaud them for not going the Crappy Coupe style. Still very blah to me.

They got the shape right for a turd, and are not far off on the color.

1 hour ago, ccap41 said:

This is pretty random of myself but lately I've been wanting an X1 xDrive35i and to lower it. It would basically be a hot hatch with 300hp and AWD working on the last great 3 Series chassis, E90. 

You can be forgiven for this...

4 minutes ago, A Horse With No Name said:

You can be forgiven for this...

What can I say, I love hot hatches! 

2 minutes ago, ccap41 said:

What can I say, I love hot hatches! 

I do also!

So it's BMW's answer to the GLA.  Looks like the Hyundai Tucson from the rear.

5 minutes ago, Cubical-aka-Moltar said:

So it's BMW's answer to the CLA.  Looks like the Hyundai Tucson from the rear.

Mercedes-Benz GLA - Infiniti QX30

1 minute ago, Drew Dowdell said:

Mercedes-Benz GLA - Infiniti QX30

Yes, GLA not CLA...typo... would think I would have my MB TLA's straight... 

20 minutes ago, A Horse With No Name said:

I do also!

So isn't it a decent idea?!? 

1 minute ago, ccap41 said:

So isn't it a decent idea?!? 

 

So an alternative to a the 3 series wagon? 

See, I just don't like the rear overhang on wagons. If they were cut short by just a foot(or even like 8 inches) and they looked more like a "conventional" hatchback, I would love them. Instead, the added length just looks boring and unattractive. 

I still don't get the point of this car, other than the fact that they have X1 and X3 through X7 and had a hole to fill.  An X1 with a lower roof?  why?

3 minutes ago, smk4565 said:

I still don't get the point of this car, other than the fact that they have X1 and X3 through X7 and had a hole to fill.  An X1 with a lower roof?  why?

To match the GLA.  It will sell.. crossovers are hot, everyone is adding more.  

ugh.  x2 is a turd

1 hour ago, regfootball said:

ugh.  x2 is a turd

That was my thought.

1 hour ago, regfootball said:

ugh.  x2 is a turd

I wonder if it will be available in brown like the X1.

3 hours ago, Cubical-aka-Moltar said:

To match the GLA.  It will sell.. crossovers are hot, everyone is adding more.  

But they have an X1 to do that.  They need 2 products to compete with the GLA?  Plus the X2 is $5k more than a GLA, what a ripoff that is.

6 minutes ago, smk4565 said:

Plus the X2 is $5k more than a GLA, what a ripoff that is.

ooooOOOOO NO, YOU DON'T!!

"MB has to price the GLA $5K cheaper than the X2 BECAUSE THEY KNOW THEY CAN'T GET BMW MONEY FOR THE GLA."

I mean; to be consistant...

The X1 and GLA are $500 apart in base price and base price with all wheel drive.  Direct competition.  The X2 is the answer to a question no one asked.  This is as bad as the 4-Series 4 door coupe which was just a 3-Series sedan with a 1 inch wider track.  No wonder Mercedes beats them all the time.

Pffft- mercedes benchmarked BMW for handling/sporty sedans, and Cadillac for luxury interiors/features.

 

lol I don't think Mercedes bench marked Cadillac interiors.. 

42 minutes ago, ccap41 said:

lol I don't think Mercedes bench marked Cadillac interiors.. 

'50s, '60s, and '70s they did... then they stuck with those right up until the mid-late 80 when Cadillac started to falter (or 2017 if you count the G-Class)

57 minutes ago, ccap41 said:

lol I don't think Mercedes bench marked Cadillac interiors.. 

lol, have you seen a 1980's S-class interior, a Cadillac interior of the period, and what they are like since the '90s?

15 minutes ago, Drew Dowdell said:

'50s, '60s, and '70s they did... then they stuck with those right up until the mid-late 80 when Cadillac started to falter (or 2017 if you count the G-Class)

That's 30 ears ago. I'd wager there's <1% of workers at either company that's been with them since the 80's. 

Nobody working at Mercedes is bench marking a Cadillac interior right now or the last 15 years, minimum. 

1 minute ago, ccap41 said:

That's 30 ears ago. I'd wager there's <1% of workers at either company that's been with them since the 80's. 

Nobody working at Mercedes is bench marking a Cadillac interior right now or the last 15 years, minimum. 

@balthazar didn't qualify his statement with a timeframe... only that Mercedes had benchmarked Cadillac in the past for interiors and BMW for handling.

Well why would we go from talking about a 2018 BMW to referencing 1980's Cadillac interiors? Explain the logic behind that, please. 

Unless it is simply to troll smk, it doesn't make any sense. 

2 minutes ago, ccap41 said:

Well why would we go from talking about a 2018 BMW to referencing 1980's Cadillac interiors? Explain the logic behind that, please. 

Unless it is simply to troll smk, it doesn't make any sense. 

I think you have your answer then....

Careful now... you don't tolerate deliberate trolling..  

6 minutes ago, ccap41 said:

Careful now... you don't tolerate deliberate trolling..  

Sure I do.  I have a pretty light hand when it comes to it as long as it is car related.   Otherwise, SMK would have been gone a long time ago since his primary MO is to troll Cadillac threads.   It's when it gets personal that I have to step in.

The rules here are pretty simple... talk about cars not people. 

How could Mercedes benchmark Cadillac or BMW when Mercedes invented the car in the first place? 

6 hours ago, smk4565 said:

How could Mercedes benchmark Cadillac or BMW when Mercedes invented the car in the first place? 

You know we have already debunked that Myth. They did not invent the car.

On 12/19/2017 at 1:31 PM, ccap41 said:

This is pretty random of myself but lately I've been wanting an X1 xDrive35i and to lower it. It would basically be a hot hatch with 300hp and AWD working on the last great 3 Series chassis, E90. 

I once thought about this. The tech/infotainment is just too far behind for me to actually do it now, though.

1 hour ago, dfelt said:

You know we have already debunked that Myth. They did not invent the car.

 Carl Benz invented the automobile.  Here is the patent from January 29, 1886 to prove it.

2 minutes ago, smk4565 said:

 Carl Benz invented the automobile.  Here is the patent from January 29, 1886 to prove it.

@balthazarwill be along shortly with prior art

MISCONCEPTIONS GALORE....

Carl Benz...SOLD (one aspect of the misconception part) the first INTERNAL COMBUSTION ENGINE (the second aspect) car. 

https://www.daimler.com/company/tradition/company-history/1885-1886.html
 

Quote

 

On January 29, 1886, Carl Benz applied for a patent for his “vehicle powered by a gas engine.” The patent – number 37435 – may be regarded as the birth certificate of the automobile. In July 1886 the newspapers reported on the first public outing of the three-wheeled Benz Patent Motor Car, model no. 1.

 

There were MANY MANY other "automobiles" that were running around in Europe and in the United States of America waaaaay before 1886. Those automobiles were powered by STEAM engines and ELECTRIC motors...

The first GASOLINE powered automobile was sold by Benz...

Not that Benz INVENTED the automobile...

2 different things entirely...

Benz's "automobile", 1885 :

Ayrton-Perry, England, 1881 :

Hill Automobile, Fleetwood PA, 1870 :

13 hours ago, Frisky Dingo said:

 

I once thought about this. The tech/infotainment is just too far behind for me to actually do it now, though.

Yeah.. that part sucks because its basically an E90, which is awesome, but you lose a lot of the newer technology. 

On 12/21/2017 at 9:12 AM, ccap41 said:

Yeah.. that part sucks because its basically an E90, which is awesome, but you lose a lot of the newer technology. 

Yeah, even though I adored my E90, it's moment is passed. I don't know that I'd have another for a daily due to the age and mileage of the cars these days. It was great while it lasted. Sounds like the Giulia is the car to buy these days if you want anything with the kind of chops the E90 had.

Yeah I just don't think I could ever convince myself of buying an Alfa. 

On 12/22/2017 at 7:31 AM, Frisky Dingo said:

 

Yeah, even though I adored my E90, it's moment is passed. I don't know that I'd have another for a daily due to the age and mileage of the cars these days. It was great while it lasted. Sounds like the Giulia is the car to buy these days if you want anything with the kind of chops the E90 had.

Always go for a new Apple Play / Android Auto Head unit and still get the car you really like.

I do like the idea of Apple Play...maybe in a few years I'll trade my '14 GC for a CPO '18 GC.