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    Detroit Preview: Mercedes-Benz Spills Some Details On 2019 G-Class Off-Road Ability

      Only 2 percent of G-Class buyers will take advantage of it


    Mercedes-Benz has been releasing a surprising amount of information on the upcoming 2019 G-Class before its debut at the Detroit Auto Show. Last month, the German automaker dropped some information concerning the interior. This latest batch of information deals with the off-road capability, something that only a small number of G-Class owners will take advantage of.

    Mercedes says the 2019 G-Class will retain a ladder-type frame, three differential locks, and a low range ratio. The front features an independent suspension setup with double wishbones on the axle. The rear retains a solid axle with four longitudinal control arms on each side. Ground clearance is slightly higher than the current G-Class  - 9.49 vs. 9.26 inches. 

    The 2019 G-Class will also come with 'G-Mode' that automatically adjusts the engine, transmission, suspension, and steering to improve off-road performance. G-Mode will automatically come on when one of the differential locks is engaged. A 360-degree view camera system helps with driving in difficult terrain.

    Mercedes will be fitting the G-Class with a nine-speed automatic transmission. Aside from improving fuel economy, the transmission will make driving the G-Class more comfortable and quieter.

    For now, you can look at pictures of a camouflaged 2019 G-Class tackling Austria's Schõckl Mountain test track.

    Source: Mercedes-Benz
    Press Release is on Page 2


    The new Mercedes-Benz G-Class: The legend on the Schöckl: More control, more comfort

    Every G-Class has to conquer the Schöckl. Mercedes-Benz uses the 1,445 metre high local mountain near the Austrian city of Graz as a test track. The 5.6 km route includes gradients of up to 60 percent and lateral inclinations of up to 40 percent. During the development stage, a "G" has to endure a good 2,000 strenuous kilometres on this very demanding course. The new G-Class masters the route with noticeably more control and comfort.

    The primary goal of development was to make the new G-Class even more effective off-road. The G thus remains a true G – thanks to its standard ladder-type frame, the three 100-percent differential locks and LOW RANGE off-road ratio. Its suspension is the result of collaboration between Mercedes-Benz G GmbH and Mercedes-AMG GmbH. The result is an independent suspension with double-wishbone front axle in combination with a rigid rear axle. During development work, the engineers had the task of fighting for every millimetre, because off-road capability also means maximum ground clearance. The raised axle with independent suspension decisively contributes to this, and additionally increases the stiffness of the body with a strut brace.

    Agile off-road as well

    The components of the double-wishbone front axle are directly fixed to the ladder-type frame without a suspension subframe. The attachment points on the frame of the lower wishbone in a Z-direction are positioned as high up as possible. This arrangement ensures good driveability beyond the asphalt. Specifically for the G-Class, the new front axle is designed in such a robust way that the off-road performance and off-road capabilities of its predecessor are maintained and partly even surpassed. The new rigid rear axle is guided with four longitudinal control arms on each side and a Panhard rod. The off-road vehicle stays on track more robustly, and is agile and effortless in off-road applications.

    The exceptional handling characteristics and driving safety on account of the driver's high level of control can only be experienced first hand. The following figures, however, clearly show that every little detail to improve the off-road characteristics has been checked and optimised where possible.

    As before, high ground clearance and long suspension travel form the basis for the further improved off-road characteristics of the G-Class. The figures speak for themselves:

    • Slope climbing ability of up to 100% on suitable surfaces
    • Ground clearance between the axles, 241 millimetres, plus 6 millimetres maximum fording depth now 70 centimetres in water and mud passages, plus 10 centimetres
    • Driving stability at angles of 35°, plus 7°
    • Angle of departure: 30°, angle of approach: 31°, plus 1°
    • Breakover angle: 26°, plus 1°
    • Suspension travel: Front axle: Spring/rebound travel of 85/100 millimetres; rear axle: Spring/rebound travel of 82/142 millimetres

    The new "G-Mode" paves the way where there are none

    One of the prerequisites for the improved off-road handling characteristics is the new "G-Mode". The G-Class changes to "G-Mode" independently of the chosen drive program as soon as one of the three differential locks has been activated or LOW RANGE has been engaged. This off-road mode adapts the adjustable damping of the chassis and the steering as well as the accelerator characteristic, avoids unnecessary gearshifts and ensures maximum off-road capability. A small "G" icon discreetly lights up in the instrument cluster. The G simply swallows up major bumps, and even in extreme terrain the driver does not have to frantically hold on to the steering wheel to effortlessly manoeuvre.

    New automatic transmission on board

    For the power transmission, the 9G‑TRONIC automatic transmission with torque converter was specifically adapted to meet the needs of the off-road icon. The developers have managed to reduce the shift and response times of the 9-speed transmission by means of a dedicated software application. The wide transmission ratio not only makes driving quieter and more comfortable especially at low engine speeds, it also simultaneously contributes to reducing fuel consumption.

    The new transfer case is flange-mounted directly on to the 9G-TRONIC. It is adjusted in such a way that 40 percent of the drive torque reaches the front axle and 60 percent reaches the rear axle. The permanent all-wheel drive ensures maximum traction.

    The low-range ratio can be engaged via the LOW RANGE switch in transmission mode N at speeds of up to 40 km/h. The gear ratio of the transfer case is then changed from 1.00 in HIGH RANGE to 2.93. It is possible to switch from LOW RANGE to HIGH RANGE at speeds of up to 70 km/h. The gear ratio of the transfer case is 2.93 and thus significantly shorter than in the predecessor model (2.1), which becomes noticeable particularly when pulling away on an extreme gradient.

    All-round visibility from a bird's-eye view is possible thanks to the optional 360° camera, the reversing camera and three further cameras. This means that obstacles located below the window line or in front of the vehicle such as a hill crest do not remain hidden. The information is presented clearly in full HD in a choice of different views on the multimedia system's display. Dynamic guide lines show the road and the width of the G-Class. In addition, the off-road screen specially designed for the G-Class also displays data such as height, gradient, angle, compass, steering angle and activated differential locks.

    Furthermore, for particularly arduous applications, 18-inch all-terrain tyres are available.



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    26 minutes ago, Cubical-aka-Moltar said:

    Hmmmm They really pushed the nose out there. It isn't actually a lot but for how flat the last one is this one looks pretty different. The rest looks the same which is perfect. 

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    It's a very subtle redesign.  The Autocar article said it was all new with a noticeable weight reduction.   I wonder if they have eliminated some of the classic details like the exposed screws that Balthy liked 

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    12 minutes ago, Drew Dowdell said:

    So, I can't tell if this is just a refresh of the existing one or not.

    That's exactly what they were going for. :thumbsup:

    10 minutes ago, Cubical-aka-Moltar said:

    It's a very subtle redesign.  The Autocar article said it was all new with a noticeable weight reduction.   I wonder if they have eliminated some of the classic details like the exposed screws that Balthy liked 

    The exposed hinges are still there! 

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    After looking at the Autocar story, clearly hinges are still exposed, zooming into the pictures, you can see the external screws that are on the existing on sale version are gone. Internal is the biggest update as the external is just a refresh to me.

    Is it worth 6 figures? Yes to some, no to others. price wise it exceeds Escalade which does tell me Cadillac needs a V Sport and V edition of the Escalade.

    Off road capability, no, leave it to have an equal off road version in GMC as a Yukon Denali, Hummer like edition.

    Will have to see in person if this would be of internal space to me to be in any consideration. External, is does nothing for me, just an overpriced bread box still.

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    Max water fording depth is up to 27.5 inches on the new one, that is insane.  Anyone that buys a G-Wagen should take it off road at least once a year.  Even if you are a Real Housewives of Beverly Hills wannabe celeb driving this thing, it is a total waste of you don’t drive it up a mountain or over a sand dune or through a brick wall or something.

    The new model is said to be roomier on the inside it, and several hundred pounds lighter, same exterior size. 

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    On 1/4/2018 at 10:13 AM, Cubical-aka-Moltar said:

    I wonder if they have eliminated some of the classic details like the exposed screws that Balthy liked 

    It's mostly the exposed gaskets, but the screws didn't help. But calling them 'classic' is like calling WalMart uni-fit plastic hubcaps 'classic'.

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    WAIT- this is the 2019 G??
    WTF happened to the concept G, the plasticy looking thing?
    Why doesn't Daimler ever produce any of their concepts?
    I guess the hideously low sales don't warrant a full redesign.

    Could had this:

    MBG19.png

    Instead you get a VW SUV from the '80s; you're welcome! :

    MB19o.png

    And I can see the exposed gaskets FROM HERE.
    Anybody still think there weren't corners cut?
    Daimler must have an 80% margin on this.

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    The concept was just cartoon nonsense.  The production one is retro modern, like the Wrangler.  Supposedly all-new. 

    19 minutes ago, smk4565 said:

    Max water fording depth is up to 27.5 inches on the new one, that is insane.  Anyone that buys a G-Wagen should take it off road at least once a year.  Even if you are a Real Housewives of Beverly Hills wannabe celeb driving this thing, it is a total waste of you don’t drive it up a mountain or over a sand dune or through a brick wall or something.

    The new model is said to be roomier on the inside it, and several hundred pounds lighter, same exterior size. 

    Yeah, I remember seeing quite a few of them in Phoenix & Scottsdale, always shiny and polished, shiny black tires and chrome wheels.  It would be nice to see people actually using them off-road, covered in dust and mud, scratches and rock chips, dents, etc... 

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    The Concept G from a few years ago was never meant to be a new G-Wagen, the G-class is what it is, they aren’t going to mess with the formula.  There has been talk that the Concept G will turn into a GLB boxy, off road looking crossover in the mid $30s price range.  

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    That's a shame; mercedes should build their concepts- they're far more intriguing than the white bread they do make.

    That concept would draw all sorts of attention & sales to the brand, even at exorbitant prices. Opportunity lost.

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    45 minutes ago, balthazar said:

    That's a shame; mercedes should build their concepts- they're far more intriguing than the white bread they do make.

    That concept would draw all sorts of attention & sales to the brand, even at exorbitant prices. Opportunity lost.

    Agree TOTALLY! :metal: 

    The concept had me interested, this warmed over refresh is just Meh, I bet still tight back seating which means the Escalade beats this as a luxury SUV.

    Yes SMK, G-Wagon has better offroad capabilities that I think these sales only help them to reduce R&D for the military version as you never see the G-Wagon off road much if ever except for the extreme videos on YouTube.

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    2 hours ago, dfelt said:

    Agree TOTALLY! :metal: 

    The concept had me interested, this warmed over refresh is just Meh, I bet still tight back seating which means the Escalade beats this as a luxury SUV.

    Yes SMK, G-Wagon has better offroad capabilities that I think these sales only help them to reduce R&D for the military version as you never see the G-Wagon off road much if ever except for the extreme videos on YouTube.

    First off, as I said, the Ener-G Concept was not meant to be the G-Wagen, that was a electric fuel cell concept which obviously isn’t commercially viable from a powertrain standpoint.

    They are building a GLB crossover in 2019 based on that concept, so the masses will line up to get a mini G-Wagen. 

    The current G-Wagen has more rear seat legroom than the Escalade, the new G-Wagen is getting 5.9 inches more so no problem there.  And keep in mind the G-Wagen is a mid-size SUV. 

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    7 hours ago, balthazar said:

    "meant to be" is immaterial; it SHOULD HAVE BEEN.

    Lost opportunity.

    Not sure how it is a lost opportunity when they are building an SUV based on that concept.   

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    Niches within niches...the GLB is rumored to be a butched-up GLA with G-class styling in a compact form, while a rumored GLG would be a GLE variation with G-class styling and room for 7. 

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    GLBGLAGLCGLEGLG - utterly exhausting.

    Then again, if they badged a GGG, Guy Fieri could drive one on DDD.

    Not sure how it is a lost opportunity when they are building an SUV based on that concept.


    Here's how. Assumedly, if the concept comes out as a 'xxB', it's a bottom feeder cheap model, whereas the flagship G lingers on in 1979 guise. Top-down, not bottom up - don't want your $30K SUV to look & feel 50 years newer than your $110K SUV.

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    The G-class isn’t changing it’s look, just like the Wrangler has looked the same for 50 years.  And it now is on a 2018 so all of a sudden the G-Wagen has the most modern chassis in the industry. 

    And the GLB will feel nothing like a G-Wagen, plus the GLE is the same size as the G-Wagen, half the price and has been more modern than it the past 15 years and G-wagen sales went up every year.  

    What Mercedes is doing is similar to what Jeep has done, they can run 2 styling themes on SUVs, one boxy and off road like Wrangler and Renegade, one more smoother out like Compass and Cherokee and both can work.

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    That's the problem- the G SHOULD change... into a modern equivalent.

    Also, the Wrangler is FAR more iconic and not the brand's flagship model; it can afford to remain truer to it's roots, esp for a brand like Jeep.

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    Hahaha, the G-Wagen should never change.  That box on wheels is here to stay because that is what the G-class buyers want.  It set a global sales record in 2016, I imagine when the 2017 global numbers are out it will outdo 2016.  

    It is plenty modern, the chassis is brand new, the  4.0 V8 and 9-speed first came out in 2016, it has current Mercedes interior trim and electronics. 

    What Cadillac fans don’t get is the Escalade doesn’t compete with the G-Wagen and if Cadillac wants to then they need a product above the Escalade, but Cadillac/GM management thinks no SUV at GM can be above the Escalade, just like no sports car can be above the Corvette.  This kills Cadillac when trying to take on high end cars.

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    Think how many MORE Daimler could sell if it was something from this century! GM matched Daimler in profit in '16, Daimler needs to step up their game!

    G should have a 12-spd trans, it's behind the Escalade with it's 10 gears. Should also have a stretched WB version, and a convertible- that would be unique. But it really just needs modernization where it can be seen/felt. With no visual link with the rest of the line, as the flagship it instills no cache to the rest of the brand. A proverbial 'red-headed step-child'.

    Maybe MB should brand the G separately and radically expand it; bring it in-house and add more models.

    And they REALLY need an emergency re-do on the balloon knot air vents.

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    GM sells 4 or 5 vehicles for every 1 Daimler sells, so them making equal profit would suggest Daimler does a better job.

    Mercedes ran something like a million simulations to see if there was any benefit in efficiency of a 10 speed to a 9 speed, and there was not, so that is why they made a 9-speed.  

    They already build a convertible Maybach G-Wagen.

    The G-class is also not the flagship Mercedes, the S-class is, always has been and is stated so on the Mercedes website.  

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    2 hours ago, smk4565 said:

    Ener-G Concept inspired GLB coming next year.

    mercedes-glb-4_700.jpg

    Looks like a funeral hurst only with a live guy in the back! :wacko:

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    14 minutes ago, balthazar said:

    HURST:HEARSE.jpg

    Thank you my man, I was in a hurry and that is what I get for thinking dead people and confusing it with auto power. :roflmao: 

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    I assume the fancy opera window on the GLB won't make it to production.. so the GLB will sit between the GLA and GLC, I assume. 

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    Wow- that is some FWD profile! Since they went to nissan for a pick-up truck, perhaps they partnered with VPG for this (tho the MV-1 has less frontal overhang).

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    8 minutes ago, balthazar said:

    Wow- that is some FWD profile! Since they went to nissan for a pick-up truck, perhaps they partnered with VPG for this (tho the MV-1 has less frontal overhang).

    It's just a rebodied variation of the FWD GLA, I think..  more filler.

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    On 1/6/2018 at 10:41 AM, Cubical-aka-Moltar said:

    Niches within niches...the GLB is rumored to be a butched-up GLA with G-class styling in a compact form, while a rumored GLG would be a GLE variation with G-class styling and room for 7. 

    Mercedes should have kept Chrysler and bought Fiat.  They could have just rebadged the Renegade for the GLB. 

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    On 1/5/2018 at 5:41 PM, balthazar said:

    WAIT- this is the 2019 G??
    WTF happened to the concept G, the plasticy looking thing?
    Why doesn't Daimler ever produce any of their concepts?
    I guess the hideously low sales don't warrant a full redesign.

    Could had this:

    MBG19.png

    Instead you get a VW SUV from the '80s; you're welcome! :

    MB19o.png

    And I can see the exposed gaskets FROM HERE.
    Anybody still think there weren't corners cut?
    Daimler must have an 80% margin on this.

    Nothing about that bubbly concept is attractive. It also looks 2 lanes wide. 

    On 1/5/2018 at 7:17 PM, balthazar said:

    That's a shame; mercedes should build their concepts- they're far more intriguing than the white bread they do make.

    That concept would draw all sorts of attention & sales to the brand, even at exorbitant prices. Opportunity lost.

    I think their 6X6 and G500(squared) in neon yellow did the trick. 

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    1 minute ago, ccap41 said:

    Nothing about that bubbly concept is attractive. It also looks 2 lanes wide. 

    It looks like a kids ride-on toy...just cartoonish plastic nonsense...

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    On 1/6/2018 at 11:16 AM, balthazar said:

    That's the problem- the G SHOULD change... into a modern equivalent.

    Also, the Wrangler is FAR more iconic and not the brand's flagship model; it can afford to remain truer to it's roots, esp for a brand like Jeep.

    Why? What reason is there for it to change? Because it sells plenty at 120k starting price? 

    AMG GT is their flagship vehicle. 

    2 minutes ago, Cubical-aka-Moltar said:

    It looks like a kids ride-on toy...just cartoonish plastic nonsense...

    YES. 

    If they built that exact thing people would complain they build something with 10 inch windows and horrible blind spots with tires that stick out too far. Oh, and that it looks like sh!t. 

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    39 minutes ago, ccap41 said:

    Nothing about that bubbly concept is attractive. It also looks 2 lanes wide. 

    I think their 6X6 and G500(squared) in neon yellow did the trick. 

    That 2012 Bubbly Concept actually had me interested in a possible new SUV. But the re-warmed G-Wagon is a Failure!

    What they gave us was a Rewarmed worked over 40 year old product.

    2019 G Wagon

    2019-mercedes-classe-g-comparatif.jpg

    2012 when they showed the G Wagon Concept it was exciting to the crowds and this shows just how much better it was than the current G Wagon.

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    They could have at least give us this concept version of the G Wagon that they did in 2015 or 2016.

    G-WagonConcept.jpg

    That is a 6 figure Modern 21st century G Wagon at least, not what they released this year.

    Makes me think MB is not as flush with cash and just trying to keep ripping people off with old product till they can make money to support their EV initiative. Makes me think they see a short life for the G Wagon before People will demand an EV long range version.

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    You never had interest in a 100k Mercedes SUV. You're completely full of $h! once I read that. You dog that company so much. 

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    10 minutes ago, ccap41 said:

    You never had interest in a 100k Mercedes SUV. You're completely full of $h! once I read that. You dog that company so much. 

    LOL, I might dog that company but then I dog all companies and yes up till that concept they had nothing of interest. That concept and the Lovely Red one I posted have my interest, the rest of their product line sucks.

    People change their minds all the times depending on what a companies offers and you should know that ccap41.

    I loved the 2012 concept and have stated that in past posts if you are wanting to go look. The new concept I found in searching today just tells me that MB has yet to get it right and those of us that do spend money on expensive auto's will do so when the style / Design is right.

    2019 G Wagon - Failure in my Book

    That Red Concept above - Winner Winner Chicken Dinner! :metal: 

    Since you seem to have forgotten or never really paid attention, I do own a 100K SUV! Escalade ESV Platinum, fully loaded.

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    You got a new Escalade?  Cool.   I thought you had a 2004 or so.  The new G-Class is all new from what I've read, not 'old product'. 

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    Of course that 'bloaty' SUV would be 'productionized', but it's 1000 steps in the right direction.

    That red G concept above- I've never seen that before. That's the PERFECT balance of heritage and 21st century. Can't for the LIFE of me figure out why Daimler couldn't pull the trigger on it.

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    That red concept looks like someones Photoshop effort of a Grand Cherokee with a Merc style front end and a few other tweaks...the side contours look very GCish...

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    15 hours ago, balthazar said:

    Of course that 'bloaty' SUV would be 'productionized', but it's 1000 steps in the right direction.

    That red G concept above- I've never seen that before. That's the PERFECT balance of heritage and 21st century. Can't for the LIFE of me figure out why Daimler couldn't pull the trigger on it.

    I totally agree that they should have pulled the trigger and I think I now know why.

    15 hours ago, Cubical-aka-Moltar said:

    That red concept looks like someones Photoshop effort of a Grand Cherokee with a Merc style front end and a few other tweaks...the side contours look very GCish...

    Nope not a photoshop at all, they showed this off in Frankfurt at their big show last year. 

    The Red G is to become their new 3 row GLG SUV for MB.

    That has my attention and looks yards way better than the G-Wagon.

    Mercedes-GLG-Illustration-1200x800-2.jpg

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    That's clearly not a G Wagen replacement though. It looks like a GLS-sized vehicle. The G Wagen is relatively small. 

    15 hours ago, Cubical-aka-Moltar said:

    You got a new Escalade?  Cool.   I thought you had a 2004 or so.  The new G-Class is all new from what I've read, not 'old product'. 

    You are correct, on both of those. 

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    As far as I can tell, the 'GLG' is speculative fiction at this point...googling it turns up photos and a You Tube clip from Auto Bild and CarScoop and a couple other magazines with mention of 'renderings'....i.e. photoshop.

    Supposedly the next gen GLS coming soon will have a longer wheelbase Maybach version, though. 

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    8 hours ago, ccap41 said:

    That's clearly not a G Wagen replacement though. It looks like a GLS-sized vehicle. The G Wagen is relatively small.

    But you get the sentiment being expressed here, yes? That the G desperately needs a redesign to bring it into the current century? Designs can be scaled easily- not a major hurdle.

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    5 minutes ago, balthazar said:

    But you get the sentiment being expressed here, yes? That the G desperately needs a redesign to bring it into the current century? Designs can be scaled easily- not a major hurdle.

    Well, the G has been totally redesigned for the 2019 model year, as is the subject of this thread.  It should do well with it's retro styling...

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    29 minutes ago, Cubical-aka-Moltar said:

    Well, the G has been totally redesigned for the 2019 model year, as is the subject of this thread.  It should do well with it's retro styling...

    But that is the point Balthazar and I are trying to make, the underside might be modern according to MB, but the look is severely dated and while they sell them at an overflated price for what you get IMHO, they could probably increase sales greatly if they used the GLG style of body as the new G-Wagon scaled to be larger.

    MB is missing a bigger sales potential by sticking with already built stamping in building and selling the G-Wagon.

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    30 minutes ago, dfelt said:

    But that is the point Balthazar and I are trying to make, the underside might be modern according to MB, but the look is severely dated and while they sell them at an overflated price for what you get IMHO, they could probably increase sales greatly if they used the GLG style of body as the new G-Wagon scaled to be larger.

    MB is missing a bigger sales potential by sticking with already built stamping in building and selling the G-Wagon.

    I think MB knows what they are doing..  sales volume isn't the measure for a luxury product.. exclusivity and uniqueness is... It sells more than enough, and the look is totally unique.   And again, what part of 'all new' are you missing?  It's not 'already built stamping', but intentionally styled to resemble the previous model...like the Jeep Wrangler was totally redesigned recently, yet keeps a strong resemblance to past versions.

    And besides, they have more 'modern' mainstream luxury SUVs for the volume..the GLE and GLS, and a Maybach version of the GLS is coming supposedly... 

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    The "all new" part that's missing is the part where it LOOKS remotely 'all new'.
    Wrangler isn't an uber-expensive brand flagship and doesn't pretend to be, yet is still has some features more modern than the G-vagun. G-vagun should represent the pinnacle of brand product development, yet it represents the absolute antithesis of that.

    Imagine if the Escalade was "all new" yet looked basically indistinguishable from the '99 in 2018. Because.

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    Reread my previous post, the G wagon's style is part of it's cachet.  It wouldn't work if it looked like other luxury SUVs.  And it's not their flagship; that's the S class Maybach. 

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    Then you're still missing my point.

    It's way out of line with the face/message of the rest of the brand.  It's like a weird adopted cousin with a wandering eye or something.  I'd be OK with it if it were priced under the GLS.  Which, BTW, as the 'G' version of the 'S', should be the flagship SUV. It's just out of whack when Daimler recently realigned everything to "make more sense", and I find myself highly confoosled, as no doubt many others are also.  Highly.

    And smk has stressed it's the s-class that's the flagship, meanwhile ignoring the maybach and that the g-vagun is priced higher than the S-sedan, both highly significant factoids to our hardcore MB fanboi.  I'm sure he knows best- just as he does for all GM's doings.  I just don't happen to agree with him on this one.

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    Your 'point' is invalid.  It works for M-B..they know what they are doing.  It will sell as much as it needs to sell.   Your comment about it being 'out of line' with M-B styling, well, I thought you were against brand conformity--i.e. the 'different lengths of sausage' approach the German car makers usually follow with their sedans--you always slag on that.

      Nothing wrong with having a model or two in the lineup that goes it's own, distinct way...the Wrangler doesn't have much in common styling-wise with other Jeeps, neither does the Corvette--it doesn't share styling with the Silverado or Impala.   And both are considered iconic, as is the G.   And the price point is irrelevant for such models.

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    1 hour ago, Cubical-aka-Moltar said:

    Reread my previous post, the G wagon's style is part of it's cachet.  It wouldn't work if it looked like other luxury SUVs.  And it's not their flagship; that's the S class Maybach. 

    Cubical I get the point that for a CAR, the S-Class Maybach is their top of the line. 

    For SUV, that is their G-Wagon which for all of 2017 sold 4,188 units.

    I believe if they had a more modern version like the GLG I have posted pictures of that might or might not come out in 2019 as a saleable product but had the G wagon concept front end, it could probably sell 10-20,000 units as their top end SUV.

    MB might be thinking Retro, but that part has played out in today's society and I think this new with OLD SKIN G-Wagon will see sales diminish not rise.

    Just as Cadillac has the Escalade as their top end SUV/CUV and currently the CT6, MB has the G-Wagon and S-Class covering those and in that regards I question MB mgmt. decision about keeping the old body style.

    I also think Cadillac is missing the boat by not offering a V edition Escalade as well as a V Sport edition just like they do on the cars.

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    5 minutes ago, Cubical-aka-Moltar said:

    It's not a volume model, it's a niche model. The Maybach version of the next gen GLS will serve as the biggest luxo SUV.

    I understand Niche Model, but they are clearly leaving money on the table I believe.

    2017 sales based on most common pricing online.

    Take G-Wagon

    4,188 sold * $120,000 = $502,560,000

    Take Escalade

    Standard 22,994 * $85,000 = $1,954,490,000

    ESV 14,700 * $90,000 = $1,323,000,000

    Total Sales of Escalade = $3,277,490,000

    So 3.2 billion in sales or 502 million in sales. Which would you want?

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    I don't M-B is worried about sales numbers for the G.   It's more about exclusivity and rarity than volume.   Besides, the GLS sold 32k in the US last year..so there is the volume luxury sales.

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    5 hours ago, balthazar said:

    But you get the sentiment being expressed here, yes? That the G desperately needs a redesign to bring it into the current century? Designs can be scaled easily- not a major hurdle.

    Do you feel the same way about the Wrangler? 

    4 hours ago, dfelt said:

    But that is the point Balthazar and I are trying to make, the underside might be modern according to MB, but the look is severely dated and while they sell them at an overflated price for what you get IMHO, they could probably increase sales greatly if they used the GLG style of body as the new G-Wagon scaled to be larger.

    MB is missing a bigger sales potential by sticking with already built stamping in building and selling the G-Wagon.

    Luckily, Mercedes has like 5 or so other SUVs to choose from. 

    The G Wagen’s sales has been going up consistently the last 5 or so years. People who have the money for one love them even when they still had the sketchy interior and everything. 

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    4 hours ago, balthazar said:

    The "all new" part that's missing is the part where it LOOKS remotely 'all new'.
    Wrangler isn't an uber-expensive brand flagship and doesn't pretend to be, yet is still has some features more modern than the G-vagun. G-vagun should represent the pinnacle of brand product development, yet it represents the absolute antithesis of that.

    Imagine if the Escalade was "all new" yet looked basically indistinguishable from the '99 in 2018. Because.

    The Escalade also doesn’t have anything unique about it like being the best handling or performing SUV whereas the G is known for being a beast off road like a Range Rover. 

    There’s no reason to change what isn’t broken. 

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    22 minutes ago, ccap41 said:

    Do you feel the same way about the Wrangler?

    I answered that on the 3rd post of this page.

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    Luckily, Mercedes has like 5 or so other SUVs to choose from. 

    I don't think MB buyers are cross-shopping the GLA or GLC or GLE (I assume these are all actual models) with the G550. Shouldn't those who spend the most, at a staggering margin, be rewarded with the best the brand can offer?

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    4 hours ago, dfelt said:

    I believe if they had a more modern version like the GLG I have posted pictures of that might or might not come out in 2019 as a saleable product but had the G wagon concept front end, it could probably sell 10-20,000 units as their top end SUV.

    Is there any $120,000 starting msrp vehicle selling 20,000 units a year? 

    4 hours ago, dfelt said:

    I understand Niche Model, but they are clearly leaving money on the table I believe.

    2017 sales based on most common pricing online.

    Take G-Wagon

    4,188 sold * $120,000 = $502,560,000

    Take Escalade

    Standard 22,994 * $85,000 = $1,954,490,000

    ESV 14,700 * $90,000 = $1,323,000,000

    Total Sales of Escalade = $3,277,490,000

    So 3.2 billion in sales or 502 million in sales. Which would you want?

    But this is 40 years old so 99% of that 502m is profit. Right? *sarcasm* 

    Remember, they have the GLS also. And GLE, GLC, GLA(and the hideous coupes). Cadillac doesn’t have a vehicle to lineup to all of those so it’s kind of a ridiculous comparison. If anybody is leaving sales on the table it’s Cadillac by a landslide. 

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    1 hour ago, balthazar said:

    I answered that on the 3rd post of this page.

    I don't think MB buyers are cross-shopping the GLA or GLC or GLE (I assume these are all actual models) with the G550. Shouldn't those who spend the most, at a staggering margin, be rewarded with the best the brand can offer?

    You guys are comparing Escalade to G Wagen. The real competitor is the GLS. Which sells plenty, 32,000 units. The G is it’s own thing. Changing to look closer to something they already have makes zero sense. 

    What features does a Wrangler have that a G Wagen doesn’t? 4 cylinder engine? Removable top? 

    I find it ironic that one brand can keep their vehicle looking the same for 40 years but another can’t, all because one is a “flagship” and one isn’t. 

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