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    Spying: 2018 Cadillac XT3 Comes Fully Camouflaged

      I see you XT3!

    Cadillac is going to have a quiet 2017, but 2018 looks to be a blockbuster year as the first of their needed crossovers will launch - the compact XT3. Thanks to a spy photographer, we have gotten our first look at it.

    General Motors' camouflage department did a really good job of covering up the XT3, so we can't really tell much about the design except that it looks like an even smaller XT5. One detail they weren't able to cover up is the intercooler, leading us to believe that the XT3 will come with turbocharged power - most likely the 2.0L turbo. A nine-speed automatic and the choice of front or all-wheel drive is likely. Platform-wise, expect the XT3 to use the underpinnings of the Chevrolet Equinox and GMC Terrain.

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    7 hours ago, riviera74 said:

    Can we at least wait for the XT3 to be released?  It is true the Cadillac looks like it is behind because of current sales trends, but budgets, time constraints and limited resources all take their toll.  Without the Escalade, Caddy would have a Lincoln-sized funding gap problem.  It wan not that long ago that Caddy was simply not competitive in the luxury space and a lot of bad decisions led to inferior product.  The Germans and Lexus have made so few mistakes in the last 25 years or so that Cadillac looked really bad.  As far as I can tell, Cadillac has largely escaped its worst days and will be fully competitive within five years or so.  The XT5 (and CT6) are proof of that.  The XT3 will be more proof once released.  You could say that the best thing about Cadillac is Chevy, since unlike Mercedes Caddy does not have to appease the non-luxury market anywhere.  Cadillac is going in the right direction and it will be just fine in 2020 or so.  No need to panic.

    I wish more people would grasp reality as you have. Thanks for the post. 

    There is so much yet to be done and so few realize or will admit what it takes to get it all done. 

    Even then Cadillac needs to still take the time to earn the rep back. 

    You can relate back to heritage but most people today are more about what have you done lately.  59 Fins mean little to many buyers today. 

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    • That's funny, I don't recall smk bemoaning Mercedes stodgy image over the last few years- for sure I would have, so must be 'fake news'. And it's OK RE your op of Buick, there are plenty of people who don;t feel Mercedes is a luxury brand, either, but a mainstream everyman brand. 

    • Buick & GMC luxury product bolstering Cadillac dealership (if they are so paired) is not to compete with Chevy dealers, but with mercedes dealers, what with all the newest, fastest-growth sub- average ATP models & work vans. ;)

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    I think we all need to look to GMC to see what revival Cadillac needs. 

    GMC was not known as a luxury brand for the most part. Their heritage was lost on most people and many were crying for them to be removed from the GM line up. 

    But they discovered the Denali. The Denali has given them a compelling product that draws people to it. They found that with just some simple chrome and features they can increase the price of the product over others and have people waiting to buy them. 

    The key to the Denali is how it reflects on the owner and it tells others you can afford the best. How a product reflects on the owner is pride of ownership and what driving or being seen a said vehicle says about you. The Denali has found this grove. 

    Now with that said Cadillac can not just add some chrome and expect people to come, Cadillac needs to find a new niche and what works for them. I think future styling to be key and the highest quality interiors with some of the most advanced features that are easy to use. Lets face it the Germans interior need help in many cases. They are nice but not that nice. 

    It may take some trial and error but they will find it and it will take time and models to keep the grow of interest coming. 

    Living in the past to a point is fine but you need to move forward and create a new heritage to live on with. 

    https://www.yahoo.com/news/denali-big-news-money-gmc-200000692.html

     

     

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    Mercedes makes the best engineered vehicles in the world.  And I think it pretty widely accepted that they are a luxury car brand.  And they build performance versions of everything, and they build the dream cars that others never have the guts to build.  Who else would make a 6 wheel drive SUV, or a V12 convertible SUV, or a road car with a Formula 1 powertrain and suspension, or cars like the Pullman S-class, or McLaren SLR or SLS Gullwing.  That take the concept car stuff and actually sell it.

    3 minutes ago, hyperv6 said:

    I think we all need to look to GMC to see what revival Cadillac needs. 

    GMC was not known as a luxury brand for the most part. Their heritage was lost on most people and many were crying for them to be removed from the GM line up. 

    But they discovered the Denali. The Denali has given them a compelling product that draws people to it. They found that with just some simple chrome and features they can increase the price of the product over others and have people waiting to buy them. 

    The key to the Denali is how it reflects on the owner and it tells others you can afford the best. How a product reflects on the owner is pride of ownership and what driving or being seen a said vehicle says about you. The Denali has found this grove. 

    Now with that said Cadillac can not just add some chrome and expect people to come, Cadillac needs to find a new niche and what works for them. I think future styling to be key and the highest quality interiors with some of the most advanced features that are easy to use. Lets face it the Germans interior need help in many cases. They are nice but not that nice. 

    It may take some trial and error but they will find it and it will take time and models to keep the grow of interest coming. 

    Living in the past to a point is fine but you need to move forward and create a new heritage to live on with. 

    https://www.yahoo.com/news/denali-big-news-money-gmc-200000692.html

     

     

    I actually thought coming out of the bankruptcy, GMC should be Denali only so it wouldn't overlap with Chevy.  Most GMC's however are priced identical to the Chevy counterpart, sort of pointless to do that.

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    46 minutes ago, smk4565 said:

    Mercedes makes the best engineered vehicles in the world.  And I think it pretty widely accepted that they are a luxury car brand.  And they build performance versions of everything, and they build the dream cars that others never have the guts to build.  Who else would make a 6 wheel drive SUV, or a V12 convertible SUV, or a road car with a Formula 1 powertrain and suspension, or cars like the Pullman S-class, or McLaren SLR or SLS Gullwing.  That take the concept car stuff and actually sell it.

    https://www.edmunds.com/car-news/mercedes-benz-g63-amg-6x6-six-wheel-debuts.html

    Based on this story and others which I found. The 6x6 that you talk about would have never happened if not for the Australian Army that approached BENZ and paid to have it created to their spec with a hefty Turbo Diesel. This is when AMG then took it and ripped out the diesel and made a limited run glorified version that was bought up by the Arabs mostly.

    Mercedes builds great auto's but I will challenge you that they build the best!

    They have just as many failures and especially among their bleeding edge tech that is fine as long as the auto is under warranty.

    Luxury car Brand, Yes as a part of the over all GLOBAL AUTO COMPANY that builds from Eco Box FWD appliances to Ubber Luxury brands.

    Among brand snobs especially in the asian rim you find MB to be considered a Luxury brand only, but then they mostly just sell their high end. America used to be Luxury but now more and more say it is a universal auto company unless again you talk to brand or badge peeps. Europe, that is pretty clear, They see MB as a normal auto company just like Toyota, GM, VW. 

    You need to accept the reality that MB to grow had to stop being a Luxury only auto company and is a global brand that sells from cheap ass FWD Appliances to Commercial Trucks and Vans, Class 8 semi's to luxury and ubber luxury auto's.

    Just to be very clear, no company is ever the Best! Every company goes through good and bad times and builds crap and what is some of the best options out on the market. 

    MB has build many nice auto's and just as equally as many lemons like every other auto company.

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    1 hour ago, smk4565 said:

    Mercedes makes the best engineered vehicles in the world.  And I think it pretty widely accepted that they are a luxury car brand.  And they build performance versions of everything, and they build the dream cars that others never have the guts to build.  Who else would make a 6 wheel drive SUV, or a V12 convertible SUV, or a road car with a Formula 1 powertrain and suspension, or cars like the Pullman S-class, or McLaren SLR or SLS Gullwing.  That take the concept car stuff and actually sell it.

    I actually thought coming out of the bankruptcy, GMC should be Denali only so it wouldn't overlap with Chevy.  Most GMC's however are priced identical to the Chevy counterpart, sort of pointless to do that.

    Yet they sell tons of them so obviously it is not pointless, but your assertion is. Also your first sentence is purely opinion, purely. This is why an honest discussion can't be had. You will slam anything from the domestics while praising Benz, even when the problems are essentially the same if not worse for Benz.

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    1 hour ago, smk4565 said:

    Mercedes makes the best engineered vehicles in the world.  And I think it pretty widely accepted that they are a luxury car brand.  And they build performance versions of everything, and they build the dream cars that others never have the guts to build.  Who else would make a 6 wheel drive SUV, or a V12 convertible SUV, or a road car with a Formula 1 powertrain and suspension, or cars like the Pullman S-class, or McLaren SLR or SLS Gullwing.  That take the concept car stuff and actually sell it.

    I actually thought coming out of the bankruptcy, GMC should be Denali only so it wouldn't overlap with Chevy.  Most GMC's however are priced identical to the Chevy counterpart, sort of pointless to do that.

    Some Benz are world class engineered and some models are just riding coat tails.

    As for GMC they need more than Denali as not everyone wants to pay for the plastic chrome. Second the cheaper models are still more profitable than most cars on the market. 

    With thinking like that don't apply for CEO anywhere. Lol....

     

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    Cadillac and Lexus sell way more front drive cars than Mercedes, I guess they are not luxury brands either and compete with Chevy and Ford, given the above logic.  

    The Australian army didn't commission this, Mercedes made it just because they could and they aren't afraid to build something ridiculous and over the top.  The GM board would never approve a convertible Escalade with a CTS-V engine, they would have 6 committee meetings with bean counters, then kill the idea.

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    Smk4565, that vehicle looks a LOT like the Chevy Avalanche/Cadillac Escalade ESV that used to be on sale a couple of years back, but was cancelled because of poor sales.  Mercedes is not the only one who can go over the top if the ideas are valid.

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    1 hour ago, smk4565 said:

    17c15-23-1.jpg

    I put up that dinosaur of a 90's G-Wagon Convertible and Raise you the far better Escalade EXT that should have never been killed but both are history.

    2015-Cadillac-Escalade-EXT-01.jpg

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    The G wagon is good if you in Nairobi but I would take the Cadillac if I were going work on my long drive on I5 in LA.

    The G wagon is great for stoned out rock starts that want to draw attention but for over all comfort in a city the Caddy is the choice.  

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    10 hours ago, smk4565 said:

    Cadillac and Lexus sell way more front drive cars than Mercedes, I guess they are not luxury brands either and compete with Chevy and Ford, given the above logic.  

    The Australian army didn't commission this, Mercedes made it just because they could and they aren't afraid to build something ridiculous and over the top.  The GM board would never approve a convertible Escalade with a CTS-V engine, they would have 6 committee meetings with bean counters, then kill the idea.

    17c15-23-1.jpg

     

    Cadillac currently has only two FWD cars while Mercedes actually has as many if not more so what "logic" are you actually trying to prove here? Keep trying to move that bar to suit your purpose though. It's certainly gotten you this far lol. 

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    44 minutes ago, surreal1272 said:

    Cadillac currently has only two FWD cars while Mercedes actually has as many if not more so what "logic" are you actually trying to prove here? Keep trying to move that bar to suit your purpose though. It's certainly gotten you this far lol. 

    Cadillac's number 1 selling SUV and #1 selling sedan are front wheel drive, and XT3 and XT7 are coming with more front wheel drive.  The dealers will pressure them for product volume, they'll get that with crossovers based on Chevy/Buick products because it is fastest and cheapest to do, that is just how GM works.

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    6 minutes ago, smk4565 said:

    Cadillac's number 1 selling SUV and #1 selling sedan are front wheel drive, and XT3 and XT7 are coming with more front wheel drive.  The dealers will pressure them for product volume, they'll get that with crossovers based on Chevy/Buick products because it is fastest and cheapest to do, that is just how GM works.

    As I said, MB CURRENTLY has as many as Cadillac. They also are planning on more as well. Guess you forgot that little fact.

    http://www.carscoops.com/2013/07/mercedes-benz-looking-to-expand-range.html

    18 minutes ago, smk4565 said:

    I think it is very luxurious.

    gallery-1487177868-mercedes-maybach-g650

    So new leather and a few LED screens on a forty year old model is considered "luxurious"? Again, most people that are not wannabe ballers or pseudo rappers prefer a real luxury and MODERN SUV and the proof is in the sales numbers.

     

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    Cheap plastics, horribly dated body hardware (exposed screws & gaskets), snap-on top cover & whatever that folded thin sheetmetal box is with the 'nerf bar bumper' out back just screams 'cheap'. Again I state: it's not luxury.

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    On 2/16/2017 at 0:20 PM, smk4565 said:

    They both handle well due to the chassis.  They should build XT3 on Alpha and give it the ATS-V engine.  But they won't do that.

    This is no different than Lincoln trying to say the MKZ has upgraded suspension and sound deadening and premium steering rack or whatever BS they want to say, it is still a Fusion underneath.

    Because there is no point. People who buy crossovers, even luxury crossovers, do not care if the AWD system is FWD based or RWD based. I would bet that 95% of the AWD buyers don't even know what it means.

    The top three luxury crossovers in terms of sales are the RX, the XT, and the MDX. 

    12 hours ago, smk4565 said:

    I think it is very luxurious.

    gallery-1487177868-mercedes-maybach-g650

    You've still yet to learn your lesson about praising the Mercedes G-Class Quality

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    And yet Mercedes is charging around $500,000 for the G650 Landaulet.  I don't see any Cadillacs selling at that price.

    The RX, NX and RDX are top sellers because they are cheap.  I guarantee that people buying a Porsche Cayenne or BMW X5 care that it is a rear drive based vehicle especially those buying the 500 up V8 versions.  If they didn't care they wouldn't spend $90k on a crossover the same size a $45k Lexus.

    Sedan sales are dropping across the market, last month mid size sedans dropped like 24% while crossovers were up 18% or around there.  The future is crossovers but  Without rear drive you can't do performance.  What Cadillac is doing with their crossovers is the same as using the Cruze and Malibu platforms to target the 3-series and 5-series.

    The problem Cadillac fans have is they never had a good crossover (with exception maybe being the Northstar SRX) so they don't miss it.  Imagine BMW without the X5 M or Porsche with no Cayenne Turbo S, or If Land Rover decided to scrap all the Range Rover's off road ability and build it on a fwd mid size Sedan platform because most people don't go off road.   But Cadillac never had a true off roader or a 650 hp supercharged V8 SRX so their fans don't miss what they never had.

     

     

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    It's a coach built vehicle and the build quality is still junk. You don't get to complain about the frame of the Escalade anymore if you want to continue down that path. 

    Also, get back on topic. We're talking entry lux crossovers here. Not X5s, not Cayennes.

    You want the alpha platform and the ATS-V engine for something that's going to be priced against the GLA? Try to be more realistic.

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    4 hours ago, smk4565 said:

    And yet Mercedes is charging around $500,000 for the G650 Landaulet.  I don't see any Cadillacs selling at that price.

    The RX, NX and RDX are top sellers because they are cheap.  I guarantee that people buying a Porsche Cayenne or BMW X5 care that it is a rear drive based vehicle especially those buying the 500 up V8 versions.  If they didn't care they wouldn't spend $90k on a crossover the same size a $45k Lexus.

    Sedan sales are dropping across the market, last month mid size sedans dropped like 24% while crossovers were up 18% or around there.  The future is crossovers but  Without rear drive you can't do performance.  What Cadillac is doing with their crossovers is the same as using the Cruze and Malibu platforms to target the 3-series and 5-series.

    The problem Cadillac fans have is they never had a good crossover (with exception maybe being the Northstar SRX) so they don't miss it.  Imagine BMW without the X5 M or Porsche with no Cayenne Turbo S, or If Land Rover decided to scrap all the Range Rover's off road ability and build it on a fwd mid size Sedan platform because most people don't go off road.   But Cadillac never had a true off roader or a 650 hp supercharged V8 SRX so their fans don't miss what they never had.

     

     

    Who gives a crap about the price of that dressed up box? All it proves is that Mercedes is better at selling to ballers and rappers than Cadillac, because that's all I ever see in those acient boxes.

     

    BTW, you talk about cheap being the reason for the competitions success but you completely side step and avoid the fact that MBs success is also due to their cheap models like the CLA, GLA, and C Class. And as Drew pointed out, the average buyer (including Benz buyers) could care less about V8s and whether a CUV is FWD or RWD. Those five people that want a V8 in a tiny CUV/SUV with no real purpose other than show how quick they can run one into a concrete retainer wall can have them. Darwin Award winners.

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    But an ATS-V engine and chassis would be a good match for the Macan  Alfa Romeo and coming GLC63.  And where is the X5 M and Cayenne competitor?  Those things have been anoint a dozen years.

    If Cadillac said the next CTS will be on the Malibu platform and the CTS-V will have a 3.0 TT V6 with a Haldex all wheel drive system, GM fans would flip out.  Yet Cadillac builds crossovers (which out sell sedans) with this philosophy and GM fans praise it.

     

     

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    12 minutes ago, surreal1272 said:

    Who gives a crap about the price of that dressed up box? All it proves is that Mercedes is better at selling to ballers and rappers than Cadillac, because that's all I ever see in those acient boxes.

     

    BTW, you talk about cheap being the reason for the competitions success but you completely side step and avoid the fact that MBs success is also due to their cheap models like the CLA, GLA, and C Class. And as Drew pointed out, the average buyer (including Benz buyers) could care less about V8s and whether a CUV is FWD or RWD. Those five people that want a V8 in a tiny CUV/SUV with no real purpose other than show how quick they can run one into a concrete retainer wall can have them. Darwin Award winners.

    That is pretty funny, I like the Darwin Award winners line.  

    The C-class isn't too cheap though, they start at $39k but I just saw a test of a C63 that was over $90k.  I actually think the C63 is priced a bit high.  And we know Mercedes cars cost more than rival BMWs, Audis or Lexus. And they beat them still so they don't need the CLA to do that.  

    Only ballers and rappers (and actors) drive G-wagens because that is who can afford them.  In reality the GLE is the same size and a much better daily driver and it costs half as much.  But there are those willing to pay for an icon even if they will never use the 3 locking differentials or even know what they do.

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    39 minutes ago, smk4565 said:

    That is pretty funny, I like the Darwin Award winners line.  

    The C-class isn't too cheap though, they start at $39k but I just saw a test of a C63 that was over $90k.  I actually think the C63 is priced a bit high.  And we know Mercedes cars cost more than rival BMWs, Audis or Lexus. And they beat them still so they don't need the CLA to do that.  

    Only ballers and rappers (and actors) drive G-wagens because that is who can afford them.  In reality the GLE is the same size and a much better daily driver and it costs half as much.  But there are those willing to pay for an icon even if they will never use the 3 locking differentials or even know what they do.

    $39K is cheap for a Benz, especially after your "if it isn't $70K, it isn't luxury" remark. And please, stop dismissing your own product. You made the claim, not even a year ago, about the success of the CLA and how it helps get people in the door who otherwise might not consider MB. 

     

    You also do realize that their are many wealthy people other than ballers and rappers right (and no I am not talking about celebrities either)? This folks don't touch overpriced status symbols on a forty year old chassis and that is a simple fact. The fact is that the G is MBs Rube car and you'd have to be one to pay $500K for that mess. 

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    The great thing about Mercedes is they cater to many tastes and many levels of performance.  If you want a solid all around luxury sedan, the C-class does a great job.  If you want an off road vehicle for Safari, the G-wagen does it, want a 570 hp track car they have the GT R.  You want a convertible, they have 5 of them.  You want a V12 limo they have that too.  If you thought, gee how awesome would it be to have a Formula 1 car engine in my car, well it is coming.  There is no ceiling.

    Cadillac seems to have self imposed ceilings because no SUV can be better or more expensive than an Escalade and no sports car at GM can be faster than a Corvette.  And not sure what the goal is with CT6, if that is flagship or place holder, it isn't enough for a flagship but maybe there will be a CT8.

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