Jump to content
  • William Maley
    William Maley

    Spying: Cadillac CTS

    Sign in to follow this  

    William Maley

    Editor/Reporter - CheersandGears.com

    February 15, 2012

    Cadillac is in the process of revamping the sedan lineup. So far, the brand has shown the new XTS and ATS. The only one that hasn't been touched is the CTS, until now.

    Today, the first spy shots of the new CTS were caught in the Northern Territories of Canada. Wearing the codename of A1LL, the next-generation CTS will ride on an extended version of the ATS’ Alpha platform to compete with the BMW 5-Series, Mercedes E-Class, and Audi A6.

    Cadillac's Art & Science design language will continue on the next CTS with a sharp C-pillar, angular exhaust cutouts, and a front end likely having some resemblance to the ATS.

    But we're not sure this is the Alpha version of the CTS that everyone is reporting. To our eyes, this looks mid-cycle refresh of the current CTS. Which means that it's still using Sigma.

    The next CTS is due out sometime in late 2013 as a 2014 model. Hopefully before then, we find out what the CTS is riding on.

    Source: Left Lane News

    Sign in to follow this  


    User Feedback

    Recommended Comments



    Way too early to make any judgement based on these pictures. But I am happy they are working on the new version.

    Share this comment


    Link to comment
    Share on other sites

    I'd assume that out of the need to reduce complexity it'd make sense to move to Alpha real quick, no? So why stick with Sigma? :-/

    Edited by ZL-1

    Share this comment


    Link to comment
    Share on other sites

    The CTS is moving to a very similar 5 series size. That will make it fall in line with the other cars in class as for better or worse the CTS was always the odd one out.

    It should provide more interior room and a larger trunk.

    The one thing to note is moving it to the Alpha may permit GM to provide a larger CTS but also keep it similar in weight and who knows it could to prove to be ligher than the present smaller car we have now. GM has learned how to make the Alpha very light with the ATS and I am sure many of the measures will be employeed on the CTS too. While It is not going to come in at the 3300 of the ATS there is a real chance it will beat the 5 series in weight.

    I have heard talk of the Turbo V6 having 350 HP. Also expect a V8 to continue in a V series car.

    The real unknown is will there be a Coupe again? Also with the ATS getting a Wagon will the CTS wagon return. Sales have been very weak here and the smaller wagone would do better in their attempts in Europe.

    I really don't expect any major suprises here. The ATS and XTS have shown us where this car is going style wise and we know to expect more room. I would also expect to see more technology being in the mix here at the higher price point. With a V8, magnetic shocks and a powerful V8 in a l light car for the class I can see this car being much better than the present CTS.

    It will be interesting to see where this all ends up.

    Alpha is far from done with what we will see. Just wait for the Camaro.

    Share this comment


    Link to comment
    Share on other sites

    It would make sense to move to Alpha and drop Sigma and reduce cost while increasing quality and profit margin.

    Edited by dfelt

    Share this comment


    Link to comment
    Share on other sites

    CTS currently IS a very similar size to the 5-series, they're less than 2" apart in OL. It doesn't need to grow a single inch (tho the wheelbase could increase a bit if they wanted it to).

    Share this comment


    Link to comment
    Share on other sites

    I think Cadillacs point is they will gain the 2 inches.

    The ATS needs more space between and the CTS to be more. Also how many here cry becase there are no larger Cadillacs and they do not fit in a CTS? More than I want to hear.

    The steps between the ATS, CTS and new flag ship RWD will be just right with the XTS doing the dirty work of fleet work, profesional car work and the remaining snow top traditional luxury buyers that are left in FL and other areas. Toss in some suprises like a small roadster, a coupe coupes and a wagon they should have a nice car line up. The trucks will sell as long as they are blinged out Chevys and will make a lot of money doing so.

    I just wonder where the smaller SUV lines will go. The small SUV market is growing and growing. It makes one wonder what Cadillacs reaction will be. The SRX I feel will not be alone for long.

    Share this comment


    Link to comment
    Share on other sites

    ATS equals the 3-series in length.

    CTS is 1.7" less than the 5-series, or other words; equal.

    There is no point in growing the CTS 1.7"

    My reaction here is that, somehow, still, people actually believe the CTS is "uncompetitive" with the 5-series based solely on size (of which there is no discernible difference).

    In other words, if the CTS was within one-half inch, SOMEONE would still bring up size as an "issue".

    Share this comment


    Link to comment
    Share on other sites

    Other publications are reporting this is an all new model, that it's larger, and that it's Alpha based.

    other publications are reporting the assumptions of the original author.

    Share this comment


    Link to comment
    Share on other sites

    ATS equals the 3-series in length.

    CTS is 1.7" less than the 5-series, or other words; equal.

    There is no point in growing the CTS 1.7"

    My reaction here is that, somehow, still, people actually believe the CTS is "uncompetitive" with the 5-series based solely on size (of which there is no discernible difference).

    In other words, if the CTS was within one-half inch, SOMEONE would still bring up size as an "issue".

    Until the 5-series grew and gained lots of weight with the latest generation, the CTS was within less than an inch. So unless the old 5-series as "too small" to compete with the new 5-series....

    Share this comment


    Link to comment
    Share on other sites

    ATS equals the 3-series in length.

    CTS is 1.7" less than the 5-series, or other words; equal.

    There is no point in growing the CTS 1.7"

    My reaction here is that, somehow, still, people actually believe the CTS is "uncompetitive" with the 5-series based solely on size (of which there is no discernible difference).

    In other words, if the CTS was within one-half inch, SOMEONE would still bring up size as an "issue".

    When one finds that the Americans have built a very competitive luxury auto and has their own best beaten by it, then they start to look little things to complain about.

    The CTS-V and CTS in all versions beats the Driving Machine of BMW and MB, so the reviewers who do not want to believe we can build quality products that are the best use little things like 1.7" to justify why it is faster or not equal to a 5 series.

    Fact is we have to accept that we cannot win everyone over, so we need to stay focused on building the best product there is and accept that every other builder is out there is going to try and knock off our crown. Only by doing this will we truly stay the standard of the world and continue to win over skeptics.

    Every little comment needs to be reviewed and if it has a bit of fact for example certain dash trims that are not truly Luxury level, then you fix these things to make sure the American Driving machines are just that, The Driving machine Standard of the World. CTS-V

    Edited by dfelt
    • Upvote 1

    Share this comment


    Link to comment
    Share on other sites

    Who knows they may make it 1.5 more than the 5 series for a total of 3"inches increase. in relation to the 5 it really matters less vs the ATS. The greater difference in size between the CTS and ATS is to Cadillacs advantage. Why have two cars nearly the same size?

    The bottom line is that with the ATS now here the CTS can afford to add a little more to gain more trunk and interior room. With using the Alpha they can now do so with less risk of a weight penalty.

    More room at the same or less weight and a car that is moved farther away fromt he ATS. Where is the down side?

    I would toss out the 5 series argument all together as the key is to make place for the CTS between the ATS and new flag ship. Let it become a car not so close to the other two models.

    They need to make their car their own and not just a CTS large, medium and small.

    Edited by hyperv6

    Share this comment


    Link to comment
    Share on other sites

    They need to make their car their own and not just a CTS large, medium and small.

    The odd thing is the current CTS has a longer wheelbase than the 'new flagship' (XTS).

    Share this comment


    Link to comment
    Share on other sites

    CTS dimensionally may be similar to 5-series, but even compared to the previous generation, it was relatively cramped inside and was certainly not to the same caliber of engineering, equipment, prestige, pricing, etc.

    With the ATS being the new entry-level Cadillac sports sedan and the true 3-series competitor, the new CTS can stop being a "tweener" and rival the 5-series, E-Class, and A6 directly.

    Share this comment


    Link to comment
    Share on other sites

    FYI, GM has never officially called the XTS "new flagship". It is media made up term.

    This is true and what is even worse are people who are GM fans that call it a flagship when GM has made it clear it is not the flagship.

    GM has made it clear that this car is the volume Service fleet/ livery go to car frm the start. Also it is a FWD for those who demand FWD. The fact is the XTS was a car started long ago and just finished with the new money. It is a gap filler and a car that will lift the resale burden from the other main line Cadillacs. In other words no resale value plunge like the Town Car to the ATS and CTS while providing the easy money that the Town Car used to bring in to Ford before they killed it. In other words they had this car already and they may as well put it to some use vs wasting the money invested. Doing it this way will not harm the other Cadillac and will provide some needed cash flow.

    The XTS mission is seperate from the rest of the Cadillac line. For what it's worth it is their Captiva.

    The flagship is yet to come.

    Share this comment


    Link to comment
    Share on other sites

    The XTS mission is seperate from the rest of the Cadillac line. For what it's worth it is their Captiva.

    Weak excuse...

    The flagship is yet to come.

    I'll believe that when I see it..

    • Upvote 1
    • Downvote 1

    Share this comment


    Link to comment
    Share on other sites
    The greater difference in size between the CTS and ATS is to Cadillacs advantage. Why have two cars nearly the same size?

    Good question, let's e-mail BMW public relations and find out why they have 2 cars nearly the same size!

    While we're at it, let's e-mail mercedees' public relations and find out why they have 2 cars nearly the same size!

    :wacko:

    • Downvote 1

    Share this comment


    Link to comment
    Share on other sites

    Just 2?

    The flagship is coming. There is a whole platform being developed for it.

    What I find most amusing is the people bitching about it most are those driving 100k mile cars and will never buy a flagship from ANYONE.

    Last I looked, and to Pauli's dismay, the Lacrosse is holding its value pretty well.

    • Upvote 1
    • Downvote 1

    Share this comment


    Link to comment
    Share on other sites

    The XTS mission is seperate from the rest of the Cadillac line. For what it's worth it is their Captiva.

    Weak excuse...

    The flagship is yet to come.

    I'll believe that when I see it..

    Not a weak excuse just buisness.

    You will see it and finally believe it. Cadillac needs at least one larger car model even in a lower volume. Once they have the CTS and ATS in place the time will be right for a top line car. Too many wanted the top line first but it would have failed as Cadillac had yet to prove they could build a world class car at $40K . How can you expect someone to plop down near $100K for a unproven car?

    Edited by hyperv6

    Share this comment


    Link to comment
    Share on other sites
    The greater difference in size between the CTS and ATS is to Cadillacs advantage. Why have two cars nearly the same size?

    Good question, let's e-mail BMW public relations and find out why they have 2 cars nearly the same size!

    While we're at it, let's e-mail mercedees' public relations and find out why they have 2 cars nearly the same size!

    :wacko:

    The box cars are being made is getting smaller so there is less room between them. But even then the 5 series is different enough to give buyers a different feel and more room in the car. These two cars attract different buyers. A third larger Cadillace also attract different buyers.

    The way some of you act here GM just needs one car per division and I find it odd as I would expect that most complaining the most would want the greater difference between lines.

    I expect in the next gen Lacrosse and Regal they also too will be spread out a little more. They nearly overlap each other in price and size. GM has done a good job of trying to make them appeal to different buyers but I suspect the next gen Lacrosse will grow in size at some point. It is a case GM simply had to work with what they had.

    Share this comment


    Link to comment
    Share on other sites

    Seems like they are following the Lexus strategy... Lexus has 3 RWD sedan lines (IS, GS, LS) and a FWD appliance (ES) for volume. Though in Cadillac's case, why not leave the FWD filler to Buick? Unlike Toyota/Lexus, GM has a brand for FWD near-lux models--Buick. You don't see BMW or MB putting FWD volume models between the 5 and 7 or the E and S...

    I just don't see the point of the XTS, since it's not a step up from the CTS but a step down/sideways. The XTS may sell well against the MKs and ES, but that's aiming pretty low.

    Edited by Cubical-aka-Moltar

    Share this comment


    Link to comment
    Share on other sites

    What I find most amusing is the people bitching about it most are those driving 100k mile cars and will never buy a flagship from ANYONE.

    That's kind of a low blow and not relevant to the topic at hand.

    • Upvote 1

    Share this comment


    Link to comment
    Share on other sites

    The point of the XT$ is money.

    The Town Car was a cash cow for Ford. GM already had much of the basic work and money invested in the XTS. They can sell this as the Volume car and target the other three lines to specific buyers who don't want to see their car in fleet sales.

    The XT$ may not advance Cadillac technology or Image wise but it will do no harm money wise.

    Lexus offers the 250 also as a car for those who demand FWD. For just being a tarted up Camry it still brings in money and does little harm to the image.

    Fact remains there are many who will not buy a RWD car. While it is smaller in this segment as most also have a suv at home for winter there are some who still want FWD. Their money is green too.

    Edited by hyperv6

    Share this comment


    Link to comment
    Share on other sites



    Join the conversation

    You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.
    Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible.

    Guest
    Add a comment...

    ×   Pasted as rich text.   Paste as plain text instead

      Only 75 emoji are allowed.

    ×   Your link has been automatically embedded.   Display as a link instead

    ×   Your previous content has been restored.   Clear editor

    ×   You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL.




  • Posts

    • Can we go back and start at the beginning with Genesis?
    • Yes we have. We've seen worse. A whole lot worse.  And there are people still alive and still remember those bad bad times... We are a weak society as compared to prior generations... The bombs were not dropped and exploded on North American turf, but the effects of the war on the economy side of things affected North Americans. RATIONS And Im not even talking about Europe and how Europe was devastated by bombs and lack of food and disease on the streets along with dead bodies from war and internal in fighting and sabotaging and back stabbing and soldiers murdering innocent civilians and the list goes on and on and on.  Not to mention self isolation when the bombs hit and Europeans prayed it was not their house exploding Im talking about America. The war effort in America had a severe economic impact.  Detroit produced war machines. Not cars for about 3 years. It wasnt the boys who made them. It was the girls. The boys were off to war.  The girls, the married ones, prayed that they didnt get a certain letter from Uncle Sam.....  Many boys came back home in body bags... The only thing is, there was no self isolation in America during WW2 as there was in Japan, Europe and in today's situation. But there was no internet and no TV either back then...no video games.  Some places in America barely had electricity and lights...even in 1942... Not everybody had a job prior to 1939  either(start of WW2 for everybody else other than the US) so buying consumer products was not a thing...like we do today....even in a Covid19 lockdown.  We could still go to Wallmart and buy a Playstation 4, or workout equipment  because our favorite gym is closed...  We could still order take-out.  That kind of consumerism was not even dreamt of back in 1939...    Hell...even after the war in 1945...that concept wasnt even conceived.   Drive thrus though in the 1950s? maybe? We also have credit today...unless of course those of us who over consume and are maxed out from buying too many Starbucks coffees and useless contraptions...   But even then... the US household does have on average 3-4 TVs and at least 2 computers and 2 smart phones at their disposal during this crisis with unlimited internet... We also have 2-3 cars in our Average Joe homes...   Jobs? Yeah...those will be coming back after all this.   Businesses will re-open. Those that went away...will spawn new businesses. After all...American consumerism is a way of life.  That wont go away... And to those that will have a hard time getting back on their feet BECAUSE of overspending in the past... HOPEFULLY THIS will RESET THEIR mindset and we could get back to a much more simpler time and material objects are not coveted as much as we coveted them prior to this pandemic. Stay safe. Lets be careful on how we interact with our immediate environment and hopefully their is a solution around the corner soon. But we have faced much much tougher economic times than this.   Human Mortality is always grim,  so I wont downplay anything regarding that. THAT would be inhumane.  IN OTHER WORDS: We also have 2-3 cars in our Average Joe homes...   CASH FOR CLUNKERS IS NOT ALL THAT IMPORTANT RIGHT ABOUT NOW... To get the industry rolling again? In another thread...I was a major contributor in arguing for and against what constitutes a luxury vehicle... Well...all that is NOT IMPORTANT... ALL auto manufactures may now need to  go back into time and re-introduce back to basics automobiles...  Honda CVCCs,  BMW ISETTAs,  Ford Model Ts... Forget about Longhorn Laramies and AMG E Classes for the moment after this crisis is done with...and then maybe cash for clunkers could work out... 50 000 dollar pickup trucks with all the frills, bells and whistles is totally not what is important and needed. All the ApplePlay connectivity to tell us where to spend our money is not what is important and needed. The 20 inch rims and Brembo crossdrilled ceramic brakes are not what is important and needed... For our transportational needs going forward after this Coronavirus COVID19 thing gets resolved....           
    • It will fail. The big difference? There will be way, way more people out of work. At this stage, folks aren’t even sure that the world will end. Back during the Great Recession, you knew at least some point things would get better. And it did. But we’ve never seen damage done this bad. So even if the deals are good, people may still not jump on this.... Second- Automakers will adjust to demand this time around. They even have other things that they can build. For the first time- some profit (maybe) will not be from the cars. I would be surprised I’d sales of cars even touch 10 million this year. This all depends when people can get out again......
    • The COVID-19 pandemic has basically brought most of the world to halt. Orders to stay at home, businesses either having workers to their work from home or closing down, and unemployment skyrocketing is causing the economy to crater. There are efforts to try and jump-start the economy such as $1,200 stimulus checks. But an executive at Ford wants to see a return of a "cash for clunkers" like program. “We think some level of stimulus somewhere on the other side of this would help not only the auto industry and our dealers, which are a huge part of our overall economy, but will help the customers as well,” said Mark LaNeve, Ford’s vice president of U.S. marketing, sales and service to Bloomberg. “Cash for clunkers was very effective at that time. It would be nice to think we could have something equally as effective for 2020 when we get out of this because it was a great program.” According to LaNeve, internal discussions are taking place at Ford about doing a similar program and there are plans to bring the Government in to these talks. When asked by Automotive News about this, Ford spokeswoman Rachel McCleery said, "The auto industry is America’s economic engine.We are encouraging Congress to look at a variety of ways to drive job creation, increase demand, support customers and provide long-term stability for the entire auto ecosystem." A brief refresher on the Cash for Clunkers program. In 2009, the U.S. Government introduced a billion initiative called the Car Allowance Rebate System, which gave a voucher worth between $2,900 and $4,500 to anyone replacing a vehicle newer than 1984. Their old vehicle would be taken away and disposed of. The program was nicknamed Cash for Clunkers. On the surface, the program was a success. Within first month, all of the funds were exhausted. This prompted the U.S. congress infuse an addition two billion into the program, which would be all gone within 17 days. But begin to look deeper and the results are mixed. In 2012, a study published in the Quarterly Journal of Economics described the program as being a bit of a wash, "...the effect of the program on auto purchases is almost completely reversed by as early as March 2010 — only seven months after the program ended.” Other studies have come to the same conclusion. There's also the question of how many perfectly good used cars were taken off the road due to the program. Source: Bloomberg via Automotive News (Subscription Required), The Drive, The Truth About Cars View full article
    • G80 compares well to the lower and mid trim German midsizers but without the German or Tesla badge it will be overlooked like the CT6 was.  In Asia it might do well where badges are not quite as well entrenched..  Buick was for retirees here who wouldn't comarison shop anywhere else but still made a good run in China.      
  • Social Stream

  • Today's Birthdays

    1. bdubsee
      bdubsee
      (47 years old)
    2. maticulus
      maticulus
      (54 years old)
  • Who's Online (See full list)

  • My Clubs

About us

CheersandGears.com - Founded 2001

We ♥ Cars

Get in touch

Follow us

Recent tweets

facebook

×
×
  • Create New...