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      Et tu Grand Wagoneer?

    Plans for a flagship Jeep may have been trashed. Autoline Daily reported yesterday that Fiat Chrysler Automobiles have cancelled plans for the Grand Wagoneer that was due for the 2019 model. Citing information from industry planning company Auto Forecast Solutions, Autoline Daily says the company cannot stretch out the platform that underpins the Jeep Grand Cherokee and Dodge Durango for a model that would be in a higher segment. 

    Autoline Daily goes on to say that work may continue on a flagship model for Jeep, but use the platform that underpins the Ram 1500 pickup.

    Rumors of the Grand Wagoneer have been floating around for a couple of years and it only recently confirmed by Jeep CEO Mike Manley. Last month, we got a possible preview as to what Grand Wagoneer's front end could look like.

    Source: Autoline Daily (Video Below)

     

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    I just don't see it as it would be very far along in it's development at this point.  I didn't think they were going for a Tahoe size rig anyway, but rather Durango and Mercedes GL (or whatever they call it now) size which already use that platform. 

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    32 minutes ago, Frisky Dingo said:

    Lol, so how TF were they planning on building this in the first place?? This makes less than 0 zero sense.

    I thought the same thing. How was this not THE first thing to look into before working around the platform the rest resides on?

    Another well executed plan by FCA..lol

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    If this had been posted a year or 2 ago i could see it, but now, i am just not.  Mind you, I would rather see jeep put their development money into smaller off-road vehicles like the Comanche and maybe a 2 door Renegade with the half soft top would be neat.  iI don't see the GW as really extending the brand. 

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    7 minutes ago, Stew said:

    If this had been posted a year or 2 ago i could see it, but now, i am just not.  Mind you, I would rather see jeep put their development money into smaller off-road vehicles like the Comanche and maybe a 2 door Renegade with the half soft top would be neat.  iI don't see the GW as really extending the brand. 

    I am with you @Stew, something about this feels off to me. Figuring out that the platform cannot accommodate a vehicle the size of Grand Wagoneer so later in its development doesn't fully add up.

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    It would extend the brand upward with more prestige, I would think. As opposed to maintaining their ground. At least I thought the Wagoneer was supposed to basically be a luxury Jeep to compete with the GL/Escalade/Rovers of the world.

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    The Durango is pretty big as it is, it is larger than a Grand Cherokee and 3 row.  So it has the size.  I don't think FCA can come up with an interior worth $70k or whatever they want to charge, or come up with an engine.  You know the Grand Wagoneer would just have a Pentastar V6 and optional Hemi V8 and the grand Cherokee already has that.

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    This stinks of FCA being so short on money that they are killing off projects to keep their stupid Fiat and Alfa alive while continuing to hurt the USA Brands.

    This makes me think FCA could be bankrupt by 2020 based on all the recent news the last few months if not sooner.

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    I don't know, the dealer meeting had revealed partially the front and rear facias, and it appears to be if all the vehicles in that image are to scale, the Grand Wagoneer is ginormous.

    It appears to even be slightly bigger than an Escalade, I reckon.

    I think the Grand Wagoneer with be built on the same underpinnings as the next RAM full-size p/u. 

    But it's not the first time we've heard of FCA delaying plans, and also, I think FCA has canceled or delayed more models now than what they actually have in the product pipeline that is supposedly on track to arrive in time.

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    6 minutes ago, Suaviloquent said:

    I don't know, the dealer meeting had revealed partially the front and rear facias, and it appears to be if all the vehicles in that image are to scale, the Grand Wagoneer is ginormous.

    It appears to even be slightly bigger than an Escalade, I reckon.

    I think the Grand Wagoneer with be built on the same underpinnings as the next RAM full-size p/u. 

    But it's not the first time we've heard of FCA delaying plans, and also, I think FCA has canceled or delayed more models now than what they actually have in the product pipeline that is supposedly on track to arrive in time.

    Agreed as to why I think this is more of a blame game for them to delay this auto as they do not have the cash.

    Blame it on the frame with their weak ass excuse and delay doing this till they are bought out or bankrupt.

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    With them apparently having the design, etc nailed down, I still don't see it being cancelled or them just now figuring out a platform wouldn't work. 

     

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    23 minutes ago, Stew said:

    With them apparently having the design, etc nailed down, I still don't see it being cancelled or them just now figuring out a platform wouldn't work. 

     

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    That is the wonder of Photoshop, they could have done very little actual engineering work and only done design work on Photoshop dragging out the project and having something to excite the dealers when they really had nothing and then use the frame as a weak ass excuse to delay this.

    The images show they have ideas, but nothing actually real yet. I still think this is due to them not having any cash.

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    3 hours ago, dfelt said:

    This stinks of FCA being so short on money that they are killing off projects to keep their stupid Fiat and Alfa alive while continuing to hurt the USA Brands.

    This makes me think FCA could be bankrupt by 2020 based on all the recent news the last few months if not sooner.

    FCA is so inept, one could very well write a high rated sitcom on the company and their " 5yrs Plan ".

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    2 hours ago, FordCosworth said:

    FCA is so inept, one could very well write a high rated sitcom on the company and their " 5yrs Plan ".

    They make the old Soviet five year plans look well executed.

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    I thought the Wagoneer was supposed to be a long wheelbase Grand Cherokee in terms of the idea, and the price point was supposed to be like the same as a Merecedes GLS or Cadillac Escalade.

    Autoline daily - I mean I can see where the trouble would come from using the current platform from the Grand Cherokee, going by the teaser pic shown to the dealer. This platform stretched for use for the Durango, but one thing the Durango lacks is width, relative to other large RWD SUVs such as Tahoe, Land Cruiser, etc. But the Durango also bridges the gap between a FWD based 3 row crossover and the RWD body on frame SUV's.

     

    This dealer meeting pic, I mean the Grand Wagoneer, and I'm thinking it's maybe like the lighther, more luxo Hummer that GM never made, but that people really wanted. And I also think "3-row Bronco." 

    And given that the upcoming Ford Bronco will probably be a refreshed Ford Everest, I wonder where the place is for such a behemoth. I mean, the most fuel efficient FCA vehicle is a minivan plug-in. Can it do all the CAFE magic for them? I guess with Trump presidency, maybe they won't have to worry after all.

    I don't understand what is going on at FCA. There's just not a lot to show in these years. Flops like the Dart and 200 were I think rather unavoidable.  I hope the Pacifica does well, but even it can't carry the ENTIRE Chrysler brand on it's own.

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    Kinda been hearing rumors through the wall on this one....and not totally surprised that it is not going to happen. Plus, it would have been a big waste of money which chances are good it would have sold poorly anyways. Jeep getting to lux might start sending their customers elsewhere...

    At this point-maybe a trim level? Worse case maybe still use the platform for the C/D and make and an off road beast, something the "true" Jeep guys could use besides their own jeeps...

    FCA is strugging.....they really need to work on their core stuff....

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    The allpar insiders think the Autoline article is wrong.  I think the Jeep brand may have plateaued in recent months, based upon the sales figures. 

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    On 12/3/2016 at 3:08 PM, ehaase said:

    The allpar insiders think the Autoline article is wrong.  I think the Jeep brand may have plateaued in recent months, based upon the sales figures. 

    I think Ford and GM will continue to bring their A game, and will continue to make conquest sales. This can only hurt FCA, with its lack of investment.

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      The Jeep Wayout concept is a true overlanding vehicle that takes advantage of the all-new Gladiator’s class-leading payload to allow adventure-seekers to go far off the beaten path. The Jeep Wayout is a functional concept that showcases a full roof-top tent and custom, large sprawling canopy.

      Wayout’s body-armored exterior features a new Gator Green color that will be available on production Gladiator models. A custom bed rack with an integrated ladder carries the roof-top tent that sleeps two comfortably, while the 270-degree awning with amber LED task lighting helps travelers set up camp when the day is done.
      For added convenience, two custom-fit auxiliary fuel tanks are integrated into the bedsides. Also, an ARB on-board air system with a body-mounted quick-disconnect air supply line allows adventurers to travel further off the grid.

      For additional capability, a Jeep Performance Parts two-inch lift kit increases ground clearance on top of 17-inch steel wheels that are hugged by 37-inch mud-terrain tires, providing a distinct retro feeling harking back to the original Willys pickups that paved the way for modern Jeep trucks. Furthermore, a 12,000-lb. Warn winch and Jeep Performance Parts snorkel help overcome multiple obstacles – both wet and dry.

      Jeep Wayout has a custom integrated roof-rack system for packing gear up top, and the truck bed houses a Mopar/Decked bed-drawer system for added lockable dry storage on long treks. Inside, bed-lined floors, plus trimmed brown leather seats with laser-etched inserts of topographical maps, have been added.

      The Jeep Wayout is powered by the award-winning 3.6-liter Pentastar V-6 engine and mated to an eight-speed automatic transmission.

      Jeep Flatbill
      Designed with the desert lifestyle in mind, the Jeep Flatbill concept is another fun look at the all-new Gladiator, mixed with the extreme thrills of the Motocross world resulting in an unmistakable, loud and rowdy appearance that serves as the ultimate hauler for an array of toys.

      On the exterior, the Motocross culture has inspired the vented carbon hood and high-clearance flares, while a custom-designed shortened front bumper and skid plate improve the approach angle. 
        
      The Jeep Flatbill is a truck dedicated to dirt bike riding through and through and is fully equipped to handle transport of dirt bikes for any off-road adventure. This is demonstrated by the Flatbill concept’s truck bed, which features a pair of dirt bikes ready for action. With the removal of the tailgate, dedicated wheel ramps have been installed that slide out for easy access and loading. Custom body work on the bed lowers, plus the addition of a tube rear bumper, increases the vehicle’s departure angle for added capability.

      Dynatrac Pro-Rock 60 front and rear axles, plus an Off-Road Evolution custom four-inch lift kit, help the Flatbill tackle any obstacle. Large rear bypass shocks along with 20-inch wheels have been added, as well as 40-inch tires – the first time on any Jeep Gladiator – combining to provide superior traction and off-road performance.
       
      Inside, bright bed-lined floors plus custom-trimmed seats create a fun and sporty environment.

      The Jeep Flatbill is powered by the 3.6-liter Pentastar V-6 engine with a cold-air Mopar intake and mated to an eight-speed automatic transmission.

      Jeep M-715 Five-Quarter
      Continuing the Easter Jeep Safari tradition of “Resto-Mods” comes the Jeep M-715 Five-Quarter that is a seamless blend of vintage and modern components. The term “Five-Quarter” is a historical nod to Jeep trucks of the past that were one-and-one-quarter tons or “five quarters.”

      Starting with a 1968 M-715, this Gladiator-based military vehicle was re-imagined with design and functional improvements to its chassis, drivetrain and cargo configurations, resulting in a truly capable showpiece.

      On the exterior, the original front sheet metal was removed and a full carbon-fiber front end takes its place. Also, an all-new, bobbed 6-foot custom-fabricated aluminum bed was installed that has been perforated and re-imaged using a mix of water jet cut panels and wood slats. Additional body modifications include a 3.5-inch drop to its convertible soft-top, further enhancing its factory monster truck silhouette.

      Headlights have been replaced with new HID lights along with LED auxiliary lights for vast outward visibility. Rearward, LED halo lights have been installed in the original taillight buckets. To protect the body, the original rockers were removed and replaced with functional rock rails that run the length of the body side. Modified front Jeep Gladiator Rubicon steel bumpers have been installed, which complement the brushed metal-finished body and tailgate, producing a polished look.

      The M-715 Five-Quarter’s off-road capability has been enhanced by reinforcing the original frame and replacing the leaf springs with a heavy-duty link/coil suspension system. Additionally, the front axle has been pulled forward two inches and replaced with a Dynatrac Pro-rock 60 front axle and a Dynatrac Pro-rock 80 axle in the rear, while 20-inch beadlock wheels are wrapped with large 40-inch tires.
       
      Inside, new Jeep Wrangler seats, free of headrests, have been installed for a sleek, low-back visual. Additionally, water-jetted aluminum components make up a new lightweight and premium instrument panel, as well as door panels. A repurposed vintage 8-71 supercharger now serves to encase the transmission and transfer case shifters and the floors have been bed-lined for enhanced durability.

      Power is provided to the Jeep M-715 Five-Quarter by a 6.2-liter supercharged “Hellcrate” HEMI® V-8 engine, which produces more than 700 horsepower.

      Jeep J6 
      The Jeep J6 concept is all truck, all the time, mixing the classic Jeep truck styling of the late 1970s with prototype and production Jeep Performance Parts from Mopar.

      The Jeep J6 is a Rubicon customized in a two-door configuration, maximizing cargo space with a large, six-foot functional bed “box” area that is 12 inches longer than the standard Jeep Gladiator bed. Mopar and the Jeep Design team reached back in time for the custom Metallic Brilliant Blue paint, a homage to the exterior look of the 1978 Jeep Honcho. The overall length of the J6 is 201 inches, while the wheelbase clocks in at 118.4 inches, matching the wheelbase of the current-generation Jeep Wrangler 4-door.

      The upsized bed area is guarded by a prototype body-color matching spray-in bedliner. A sturdy, two-and-a-quarter-inch steel prototype sport/roll bar planted in the bed carries a set of four, five-inch Jeep Performance Parts LED lights that shine at 4,800 lumens each. A prototype spare tire carrier stores up to a 37-inch tire.

      Prototype 17-inch beadlock wheels with a “deep dish” design are set off from the Metallic Brilliant Blue exterior with a Brass Monkey finish, encircled by a silver beadlock ring. A production Jeep Performance Parts two-inch lift kit works with aggressive 37-inch tires to add extra trail clearance.

      Additional modifications defend the Jeep J6 against off-road obstacles, including a prototype two-inch steel stinger bar that bolts to the Rubicon front bumper and rock rails customized with two-inch steel tubes welded to the standard Jeep Gladiator rails. The concept hardtop is removable, and classic Jeep J6 badging is swapped in on the tailgate and side fenders.

      The stinger bar acts as a mounting point for four additional five-inch Jeep Performance Parts LED lights, with another two bolted on near the A-pillars, for a total of 10 five-inch LEDs working together to illuminate the trail. The grille is custom Mopar Satin Black, and the stock Jeep Gladiator Rubicon hood is accented with Mopar hood latches featuring the Jeep logo.

      The 3.6-liter engine receives a performance bump through the Jeep Performance Parts cold-air intake.

      Exterior DNA flows into the interior of the Jeep J6. The instrument panel inserts match the body color and Katzkin leather seats and armrests are also accented with body-color blue stitching. The horn pad is customized with a classic Jeep badge. The auxiliary switch bank offers a central operating location for the 10 LED lights, and the trailer brake control switch showcases the ability to tap into additional stopping power when towing. A bright pedal kit, all-weather floor mats and molded doorsill guards with the Jeep logo round out the lineup of Mopar accessories.

      Jeep JT Scrambler 
      The Jeep JT Scrambler concept is a heritage-inspired remix, carrying the throwback color palette and graphics of the iconic CJ Scrambler crossed with a combination of available Jeep Performance Parts and conceptual touches.

      The look of the early 1980s-era CJ8 Scrambler is recreated with prototype Punk’N Metallic Orange and Nacho body-side stripes running from the front panels to the bed and a matching hood graphic. The white exterior is crowned with a freedom top painted in vintage amber, continuing the retro feel.

      The bed area is customized with a spray-in bedliner and a two-inch steel, prototype tube sport/roll bar painted body-color white. This version of the sport/roll bar anchors to the bed and also extends the length of the bed rails on each side, offering a total of eight tie-down points to lock down cargo. Diffused LED task lights mounted to the sport/roll bar are directed to the rear bed, providing illumination in the cargo area.

      Based on the Jeep Gladiator Rubicon, the Scrambler pulls liberally from the Mopar brand’s Jeep Performance Parts line, including a set of four five-inch LED lights stationed atop the sport/roll bar and two stationed on the vehicle’s A-pillars. Facing forward on the brush guard up front are a pair of Jeep Performance Parts seven-inch LED lights, pointing the way at 8,000 lumens each.

      The Jeep Performance Parts 17-inch slot wheels are customized in a concept bronze to tie in with the exterior color theme. A two-inch Jeep Performance Parts lift kit helps accommodate large, 37-inch tires and tough Jeep Performance Parts rock rails feature a non-slip grip. The 3.6-liter engine is augmented with a Mopar cold-air intake and cat-back exhaust.

      The Scrambler color theme is followed through on the interior. Katzkin Amaretto Brown leather seats are bordered in orange thread, with the Jeep grille logo embroidered in a light Tungsten on the seatbacks. The dash panel and armrests receive the same Katzkin Amaretto Brown leather treatment with matching orange thread accents. The auxiliary switch bank offers a single location for operating accessories, including the LED lights, and the Mopar bright pedal kit and all-weather floor mats also dress up the interior.

      Jeep Gladiator Gravity 
      The rock-climber-themed Jeep Gladiator Gravity concept is elevated with a full complement of available-at-launch Jeep Performance Parts from Mopar to help equip those who have a desire to reach greater heights.

      The Jeep Gladiator Rubicon, colored in attention-grabbing Punk’N Metallic Orange, is a ready-to-order expression of how Jeep Performance Parts can help enhance the all-new pickup’s capability and versatility. In the bed area, mounted Mopar cross rails work in concert with a cargo carrier basket to deliver storage space for rock-climbing gear, such as ropes, carabiners, helmets and shoes. A unique Mopar/Decked truck bed storage system offers additional lockable cargo space through dual sliding drawers, while still allowing for storage on top in the bed area.

      The open-air potential of the Jeep Gladiator — unlike any other offered by a production midsize truck —  is realized through Jeep Performance Parts two-inch round steel tube doors, a mesh sunbonnet that provides cover while keeping the top-down feel, and tie-down straps that secure the windshield when lowered.

      The Jeep Gladiator Gravity is raised with the Jeep Performance Parts two-inch lift kit and runs on 17-inch gear wheels carrying 35-inch tires. Heavy-gauge steel Jeep Performance Parts rock rails are thicker and wider and utilize the same powder-coating on Ram Truck bedliners to provide a non-slip finish. In front of the Mopar satin black grille, Jeep Performance Parts seven-inch LED lights show the way forward, with help from five-inch LED lights on the A-pillars.

      The vehicle is upgraded with a cold-air intake and cat-back exhaust system to enhance horsepower and torque. Inside, the interior is dressed up with Katzkin leather seats featuring the Jeep grille logo embroidered in Tungsten stitching. Additional Mopar accessories include grab handles stamped with the Jeep grille logo, MOLLE (Modular Lightweight Load-carrying Equipment) bags for storage and all-weather floor mats with a unique “plug” system that allows for direct draining of water and debris.
    • By Drew Dowdell
      FCA US Reports March 2019 Sales

      Ram pickup reports new March record as sales increase 9 percent to 45,187 sold Jeep® Grand Cherokee notches best March ever as sales rise 26 percent to 24,655 vehicles sold Ram brand sets new March record as sales jump 15 percent to 51,822 sold April 2, 2019 , Auburn Hills, Mich. - FCA US LLC reported a new March record for the Ram brand as sales jumped 15 percent, underscoring the success the company has found in its two-pronged strategy of selling both the Ram 1500 and Ram Classic.

      The performance of the Ram brand, combined with a new March record for Jeep® Grand Cherokee, countered general softness within the industry. FCA sold 200,307 vehicles in the month.
       
      "The industry had a tough first quarter but with spring finally starting to show its face and continued strong economic indicators, such as a boost in housing sales, lower lending rates and a strong labor market, we are confident that new vehicle sales demand will strengthen going forward," Reid Bigland, Head of U.S. Sales, said. "Meanwhile, our Ram brand sales and average transaction prices continue to be strong and our much anticipated, game-changing Jeep Gladiator pickup is on track for its in-market debut this month."

      See the attached table for the breakdown of brand and nameplate sales.

      Method of Determining FCA US LLC’s Monthly Sales. FCA US’s reported vehicle sales represent unit sales of vehicles to retail customers, deliveries of vehicles to fleet customers and to others such as FCA US’s employees and retirees as well as vehicles used for marketing. Most of these reported sales reflect retail sales made by dealers out of their own inventory of vehicles previously purchased by them from FCA US. Reported vehicle units sales do not correspond to FCA US’s reported revenues, which are based on FCA US’s sale and delivery of vehicles, and typically recognized upon shipment to the dealer or end customer. As announced on July 26, 2016, FCA US has modified its methodology for monthly sales reporting as follows:  Sales to retail customers by dealers in the U.S. are derived from the New Vehicle Delivery Report (“NVDR”) system and are determined as the sum of (A) all sales recorded by dealers during the month net of all unwound transactions recorded to the end of that month (whether the original sale was recorded in the current month or any prior month); plus (B) all sales of vehicles during that month attributable to past unwinds that had previously been reversed in determining monthly sales (in the current or prior months).  Fleet sales are recorded upon the shipment of the vehicle by FCA US to the customer or end user.  Other retail sales are recorded either (A) when the sale is recorded in the NVDR system (for sales by dealers in Puerto Rico and limited sales made through distributors that submit NVDRs in the same manner as for sales by U.S. dealers) or (B) upon receipt of a similar delivery notification (for vehicles for which NVDRs are not entered such as vehicles for FCA employees). FCA US LLC Sales Summary March 2019
      Model
       
      Month Sales
      Vol %
      Change
      CYTD Sales
      Curr Yr             Pr Yr
      Vol %
      Change
      Curr Yr
      Pr Yr
      Compass
       
      14,945
      17,302
      -14%
      37,306
      43,520
      -14%
      Patriot
       
      1
      100
      -99%
      10
      364
      -97%
      Wrangler
       
      21,963
      27,829
      -21%
      49,978
      55,504
      -10%
      Gladiator
       
      43
      0
      New
      123
      0
      New
      Cherokee
       
      18,262
      23,764
      -23%
      49,420
      50,610
      -2%
      Grand Cherokee
       
      24,665
      19,616
      26%
      57,749
      53,448
      8%
      Renegade
       
      7,449
      9,771
      -24%
      18,218
      24,659
      -26%
      JEEP BRAND
       
      87,328
      98,382
      -11%
      212,804
      228,105
      -7%
      Ram P/U
       
      45,187
      41,307
      9%
      120,026
      103,964
      15%
      Cargo Van
       
      0
      0
      0%
      0
      0
       
      ProMaster Van
       
      4,928
      2,451
      101%
      13,319
      6,457
      106%
      ProMaster City
       
      1,707
      1,120
      52%
      3,668
      3,233
      13%
      RAM BRAND
       
      51,822
      44,878
      15%
      137,013
      113,654
      21%
      200
       
      8
      189
      -96%
      26
      659
      -96%
      300
       
      3,704
      6,223
      -40%
      8,290
      12,992
      -36%
      Town & Country
       
      0
      1
      -100%
      1
      3
      -67%
      Pacifica
       
      8,457
      13,086
      -35%
      23,274
      32,579
      -29%
      CHRYSLER BRAND
       
      12,169
      19,499
      -38%
      31,591
      46,233
      -32%
      Dart
       
      2
      87
      -98%
      8
      252
      -97%
      Avenger
       
      0
      0
      100%
      0
      1
      -100%
      Charger
       
      8,858
      8,504
      4%
      20,615
      21,265
      -3%
      Challenger
       
      6,562
      8,150
      -19%
      13,431
      17,648
      -24%
      Viper
       
      0
      6
      -100%
      1
      9
      -89%
      Journey
       
      8,513
      10,275
      -17%
      24,003
      18,419
      30%
      Caravan
       
      15,806
      16,292
      -3%
      35,440
      43,144
      -18%
      Durango
       
      6,626
      5,870
      13%
      17,019
      16,233
      5%
      DODGE BRAND
       
      46,367
      49,184
      -6%
      110,517
      116,971
      -6%
      500
       
      310
      439
      -29%
      778
      1,309
      -41%
      500L
       
      61
      173
      -65%
      168
      395
      -57%
      500X
       
      262
      607
      -57%
      755
      1,579
      -52%
      Spider
       
      214
      325
      -34%
      513
      731
      -30%
      FIAT BRAND
       
      847
      1,544
      -45%
      2,214
      4,014
      -45%
      Giulia
       
      858
      1,284
      -33%
      2,035
      3,085
      -34%
      Alfa 4C
       
      18
      22
      -18%
      41
      54
      -24%
      Stelvio
       
      898
      1,270
      -29%
      2,210
      2,653
      -17%
      ALFA ROMEO
       
      1,774
      2,576
      -31%
      4,286
      5,792
      -26%
      FCA US LLC
       
      200,307
      216,063
      -7%
      498,425
      514,769
      -3%
       
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