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    Rumorpile: Ram Trucks Delays Redesign of Heavy Duty Trucks


    • Another product from FCA is getting delayed

    2018 was going to be the year that Ram Trucks would introduce redesigned versions of their light and heavy-duty trucks using a new platform known as DT. But it seems the light-duty truck will be the only one riding on this new platform as the redesign for heavy-duty model has been pushed back.

    Sources tell Automotive News that Ram will be refreshing the current heavy-duty truck for 2018. It is unknown when Ram will actually introduce the redesigned version using the new platform. 

    Why is Ram switching to a refresh of the current heavy-duty truck? It comes down to money. At the moment, Fiat Chrysler Automobiles has nearly $7 billion in net debt at the end of third quarter. CEO Sergio Marchionne is trying to reduce this massive debt before he retires in 2018. This means a number of projects FCA is working on have been delayed in an effort to conserve cash.

    This is the case for Ram and their heavy-duty trucks. Currently, FCA only has one plant building heavy-duty trucks in Saltillo, Mexico. By taking the plant offline for a few months for retooling to build the redesigned truck, this could cause a shortage of the current-generation trucks for dealers. Going with a refresh allows Ram to continue an uninterrupted supply of trucks.

    But there comes a problem for Ram going with a refresh. Both Ford and General Motors have introduced revised versions of their heavy-duty trucks that boast better towing numbers and fuel economy.

    Source: Automotive News (Subscription Required)
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    FAILURE, The debt would not have been as big if Segrio AKA IDIOT would have not stolen the Billions to sink into the black hole called Alfa. The money stolen could have paid down debt and refreshed product lines but NO, Italian IDIOTS had to sink Billions into a pathetic car that has sold what 23 cars to date or so?

    Come on, Ford and GM both build up inventories to get through the retooling. This I believe IMHO is more about the fact that he has FAILED as a CEO to build the company up wasting money and clearly has no clue about maximizing the US market.

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    This probably isn't a huge blow seeing as in how the HD's don't need to be updated as frequently as the LD's, but this is definitely an indication that this company is in trouble in my eyes.

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    Uh... everybody re-does their light duty trucks more often than the heavy duties.  Let me ax you all a question:  how many yerrs did Ford milk that old Super Duty?  And the GM trucks rode on the old chassis with new bodywork for a couple yerrs before gaining a new frame, etc.  The heavy duty light truck class is not affected by near as many competitive pressures.  Not concerned about Ram's decision.

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    37 minutes ago, Frisky Dingo said:

    This probably isn't a huge blow seeing as in how the HD's don't need to be updated as frequently as the LD's, but this is definitely an indication that this company is in trouble in my eyes.

    At the very least they are falling behind Ford and GM!

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    We have impacted the iceberg captain and we are taking on water in the first 5 compartments.  Should we ask the head of the line Sergio  what he would like us to do now? 

    This is getting more and more troubling to see.

     

    Also troubling is the need for a partner to join them and how long it has been that no one appears to want to work with them. Not even a Chinese MFG has even been seen as wanting to opt in here.

    I do not know how bad or good things are here but at face value things are going on well run, stable and solvent companies just don't do.

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    9 minutes ago, hyperv6 said:

    We have impacted the iceberg captain and we are taking on water in the first 5 compartments.  Should we ask the head of the line Sergio  what he would like us to do now? 

    This is getting more and more troubling to see.

     

    Also troubling is the need for a partner to join them and how long it has been that no one appears to want to work with them. Not even a Chinese MFG has even been seen as wanting to opt in here.

    I do not know how bad or good things are here but at face value things are going on well run, stable and solvent companies just don't do.

    Exactly...

     

    I think Sergio will sell diving tours to the wreck as a profit making opportunity to keep Alfa alive in Italy....

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    15 minutes ago, A Horse With No Name said:

    Exactly...

     

    I think Sergio will sell diving tours to the wreck as a profit making opportunity to keep Alfa alive in Italy....

    Yup sinking FCA as he starts to destroy Ferrari. Their Socialist cast system of keeping things status quo and stealing from other places to prop up the delusional world of Italy will be the next country to bankrupt and implode. No Idea how they could think sinking billions into a dead name brand and then sell 23 is a good thing. I found a UK story that says Alfa sold 3,136 total in all of Europe. So even with that, clearly the brand is NOT selling. Also FCA story of Alfa outselling Fiat is a joke.

    http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-chrysler-alfa-idUSBRE91900T20130210

    Guess non of the points in the story above have happened. as here we are 2016 and his Alfa will sell 300,000 alone is not happening.

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    13 minutes ago, dfelt said:

    Guess non of the points in the story above have happened. as here we are 2016 and his Alfa will sell 300,000 alone is not happening.

    Hyper's sinking ship metaphor was very well placed....

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    For FCA to survive it will need more volume. They have a large company and they need to make more cars.

    Fiat is not going to increase volume.
    Alfa is never going to meet Sergio's projections

    Maserati is going to always be that car for those who do not conform but are ok with leaving the car for Service.

    Jeep will continue at its pace. It is a true global car as overseas it is seen as a Jeep not a American brand.

    Ram I fear will begin to fall behind with less money coming to them.

    Chrysler and Dodge will continue to try to reinvent their old products till either a partner is found or they die.

    Ferrari is at risk of over exposure under Sergio. If that happens the Ferrari may become what Porsche did in the 80's a common car.

    To fix the ship here they need to put money into Chrysler and let them do the work and not put the new product on old Lancia platforms.  Get the volume up and update the product to where it is relevant in America again and competing on all levels.

    As it stands now I can see a possible failure of the FCA corporation now that Ferrari was set free. Jeep would be sold. Ram may be sold but no where at the price it could have been by the time they get there. Alfa and Maserati could be purchased by Ferrari at pennies on the dollar and sold at low volume.

    Fiat could fade away as does anyone really care anymore?

    The key to survival is though Auburn Hills but I just don't see it being done under Sergio.

     

     

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    @hyperv6 Well said, I could not agree more especially:

    8 minutes ago, hyperv6 said:

    The key to survival is though Auburn Hills but I just don't see it being done under Sergio.

     

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    No big deal, there is almost always a couple year difference between the intro of a lD and HD versions of a fullsize truck (ie F-150 in 15, Super Duty in 17).  Just more rhetoric to give the naysayers something to latch onto.  the LD is FAR more important here. 

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    Grand Wagoner also is said to be delayed over at Autoblog too.

    There is no naysaying here. If GM was delaying as many programs and cutting all their small cars we would be saying the same thing of them.

     

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    I don't see the staggered updates as a bad thing because what @Stew said, he's right. Same as GM. The issue I do see is that yet another product was put on delay. If it was planned as a year or two stager that would be fine, but it wasn't. 

    So, I'm not surprised. 

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    38 minutes ago, ccap41 said:

    I don't see the staggered updates as a bad thing because what @Stew said, he's right. Same as GM. The issue I do see is that yet another product was put on delay. If it was planned as a year or two stager that would be fine, but it wasn't. 

    So, I'm not surprised. 

    There is an interesting article on Allpar that makes total sense.

    http://www.allpar.com/news/2016/12/big-rams-held-back-a-bit-35534

    Why risk production capacity of the much hotter and profitable LD to get the factory tuned for the new HD a little sooner?  Like everyone else they had always had a 1 to 2 year stagger between the LD and HD trucks anyway. 

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    WHERE is the new Dodge Omni?  WHERE is the new Dodge Aries?  Chrysler Sebring?  A dearth of small cars (and a tiny crossover for Dodge) is more concerning than a heavy duty pickup that those buyers don't want to change anyway.

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    I think what Sergio is doing here and has been doing for the past couple years is to trim R&D spend down to a minimum to show a profit and pay down debt.  He is making moves that make the company look more suitable for purchase.  The huge problem is if he doesn't sell the company come 2020 he has no product to sell except a couple Jeeps and a pair of Alfas.

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    Without US - CDN $ conversion.

    I'm paying $1.19 a litre. ( 3.78 litre/US Gallon ). That's up .15 a litre since start of December.

    I read $ 2.21/gallon is average for US. That's up .04 compared to November 2016, and .20 vs a year ago  

    Bent Crude is $55 a barrel, highest since mid 2015...

    This trend continues, and FCA will be in a world of hurt as they already are the least fuel efficient full line mfg. Ditching the Dart  and 200 will bite them big. 

     

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    7 minutes ago, FordCosworth said:

     

    8 minutes ago, FordCosworth said:

    Without US - CDN $ conversion.

    I'm paying $1.19 a litre. ( 3.78 litre/US Gallon ). That's up .15 a litre since start of December.

    I read $ 2.21/gallon is average for US. That's up .04 compared to November 2016, and .20 vs a year ago  

    Bent Crude is $55 a barrel, highest since mid 2015...

    This trend continues, and FCA will be in a world of hurt as they already are the least fuel efficient full line mfg. Ditching the Dart  and 200 will bite them big. 

     

    This was what I was considering on the way home. OPEC has gotten an agreement with the oil market countries including those outside OPEC to decrease production. Add along with this the increase of the economy and increased production in MFG that increases the demand of oil and it will drive up the price. 

    The man they were interviewing was retired from an oil company and said by the first of the year $77 per barrel could be possible again. 

    This would really damage an automaker with no real viable small cars or range of cars at would help support them. 

    The staggering is something most MFG have practiced for a long time but it is planned ahead. GM for many years plan their models with staggered introductions to spread out the cost. But what FCA is doing is they are delaying products that were planned not staggering the intro. This is a sign of cash flow weakness and the lack of money for development of these programs. 

    We know it is a common fact FCA has been in money trouble from the time they took over Chrysler. The hope was the take over would give Fiat the Volume to lower development cost. The fact is they have more needs than they have money.

    Let get this in the open. 

    Who here thinks Chrysler products outside the Jeep line and to a lesser degree Ram  is up to date with the market and very competitive in the segment it is in. Where are they challenging or even competitive in the segment?  If so please point out the models and where they are leading other than the nearly dead Minivan market. 

    Chrysler has the LX that is in major need of updates with a new modern platform that does not necessarily mean it has to be a small 4 seat car. They can make something similar to what they have just lighter and stiffer.  

    The small cars are dead or nearly dead. That is it. No real offerings that are current or competitive. The 300 could own the segment and hold great ATP but it is selling for prices that are embarrassing. Great for a good deal bad for image and resale. 

    The Trucks are an important model for volume and profits. In todays market you can not delay much anymore as all segments are needed for profits. 

    Jeep has done well but that is about the only bright spot to focus on. 

    Alfa has more work to do than Cadillac in the segment they are in. Maserati is not going to save Fiat. And Fiat as it is is something they are starting to wish never came to America. 

    Now a partner could help but who. GM and Ford want nothing to do with this mess. VW would have been interested for the trucks and Jeep but now lacks the money to consider it. Toyota, Nissan and  Hyundai have no interest. 

    Mazda could use a partner but they want one that is stronger. Mitsubishi has been mentioned but they are not much better off than Fiat. 

    Does the Chinese come in? Is this entry into the American market with an American name? 

    This is a real mess and it is going to get worse before it gets better. I look for Sergio to try to find a way for the Agnelli get out and make money and they don't care what happens to any of the companies. 

    Branching off Ferrari was a sign of the ship going down and they only put Ferrari in a life boat Everyone else it is every division for themselves. 

    Is there anyone here other than Stew who thinks Fiat buying Chrysler was a good move?

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    Important to remember that gas will never cost more than $3 a gallon, millenials all make $75,000 a year live in rural areas and buy big trucks and baby boomers aren't buying smaller vehicles, they want full size sedans.  

    FCA has the lineup for the future, I think they might phase out 4 cylinders because no one buys those anymore.

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    The most important information here is that I did not know these highly profitable, labour intensive trucks to build are manufactured in Mexico.

     

    Trump....do yer jerb dammit. Put 35% tariff. Thnk u.

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    The future of fuel efficiency is small CUVs and that is what they are coming out with, as are many other manufacturers.  remember, when gas prices spiked your average small car was lucky to et 30 on the highway and CUVs low/mid 20s.  Now CUVs are in the 30s, right in that sweet spot.  Small and midsize car sales are going to continue to shrink regardless of gas prices.....

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    The 800 pound Gorilla is in the corner of the room.


    Even with Trump in and odds are some regulations may be relaxed the problem will be some states will do their own agendas. Also Trump is only here 4-8 years and it will change again at some point.

    An automaker needs to have all irons in the fire as regulations can change faster than they can react or afford.

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    11 hours ago, smk4565 said:

    Important to remember that gas will never cost more than $3 a gallon, millenials all make $75,000 a year live in rural areas and buy big trucks and baby boomers aren't buying smaller vehicles, they want full size sedans.  

    FCA has the lineup for the future, I think they might phase out 4 cylinders because no one buys those anymore.

    Nice Sarcasm! :metal: 

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      Dodge brand and Ram Truck brand sales increased year over year in March. Dodge brand sales were up 10 percent, led by the 100 percent increase in Dodge Journey crossover sales. Ram Truck brand sales were up 6 percent in March as the Ram pickup and Ram ProMaster van each posted year-over-year sales gains. Sales of the Jeep® Grand Cherokee – the Jeep brand’s volume leader in March – were up 22 percent compared with the same month in 2016. Sales of the Fiat 500 and the all-new Chrysler Pacifica minivan increased year over year as well in the month.
      Dodge Brand
      Four Dodge brand vehicles posted year-over-year sales increases in March, led by the Dodge Journey crossover’s 100 percent sales gain. Sales of the Dodge Challenger were up 17 percent in March. The 2018 Dodge Challenger SRT Demon – the Dodge brand’s new ultimate performance halo car – will be unveiled this month during the 2017 New York International Auto Show week. The Dodge Grand Caravan minivan and the Dodge Viper also turned in year-over-year sales gains for the month. Dodge brand sales were up 10 percent compared with the same month in 2016.
       
      Ram Truck Brand
      Ram pickup truck sales increased 6 percent in March, compared with the same month a year ago. In addition, sales of the Ram ProMaster van were up 24 percent for the month. Ram Truck brand sales, which include the pickup, ProMaster and ProMaster City, were up 6 percent in March. The brand last month unveiled a new exterior color shade for its luxurious and capable Laramie Longhorn line of pickup trucks. RV Match Walnut Brown will serve as the model’s new two-tone contrast color, replacing White Gold. The Ram Laramie Longhorn is the Texas Auto Writers Association’s Luxury Truck of Texas.
       
      FIAT Brand
      Sales of the Fiat 500 increased 12 percent in March, compared with the same month a year ago. Fiat 124 Spider sales were up 39 percent compared with the previous month of February. Experts at Cars.com consider the all-new 2017 Fiat 124 Spider best in its segment, naming it the “Best New Convertible” of 2017.
       
      Jeep® Brand
      The Jeep Grand Cherokee – the brand’s volume leader for the month – recorded a 22 percent year-over-year sales increase in March for its best sales month this year. The all-new 2017 Jeep Compass – the most capable compact SUV ever with the most advanced 4x4 systems in its class – began shipping to Jeep dealerships in March. The new Compass expands the Jeep brand’s global reach with an unmatched combination of attributes that includes legendary and best-in-class 4x4 off-road capability, advanced fuel-efficient powertrains, premium and authentic Jeep design, superior on-road driving dynamics, open-air freedom, and a host of innovative safety and advanced technology offerings.
       
      Chrysler Brand
      Sales of the all-new 2017 Chrysler Pacifica – the most awarded minivan of 2016 and 2017 – were up in its third month of year-over-year comparisons, and increased 3 percent compared with sales in the previous month of February. March also was the Pacifica’s best sales month so far this year. The Pacifica continues to earn a plethora of awards and accolades in 2017, landing on Kelley Blue Book’s list of the “12 Best Family Cars of 2017” in the best minivans category, and “2017 North American Utility of the Year.”
       
      Alfa Romeo Brand
      Alfa Romeo brand sales of 555 units were up 1,191 percent compared with the same month a year ago.
       
      Maserati Brand
      Maserati brand sales of 1,312 units were up 32 percent compared with the same month in 2016.
      U.S. Sales Summary March 2017
                      Month Sales
      Vol %
      CYTD Sales
      Vol %
      Model
      Curr Yr
      Pr Yr
      Change
      Curr Yr
      Pr Yr
      Change
      Compass
      2,651
      7,823
      -66%
      8,552
      22,987
      -63%
      Patriot
      5,968
      9,264
      -36%
      16,180
      29,211
      -45%
      Wrangler
      16,336
      17,586
      -7%
      41,311
      41,922
      -1%
      Cherokee
      14,589
      16,302
      -11%
      40,755
      48,438
      -16%
      Grand Cherokee
      20,374
      16,693
      22%
      56,600
      47,658
      19%
      Renegade
      8,065
      8,872
      -9%
      25,345
      22,154
      14%
      JEEP BRAND
      67,983
      76,540
      -11%
      188,743
      212,370
      -11%
      200
      2,565
      4,971
      -48%
      6,620
      15,915
      -58%
      300
      4,969
      6,172
      -19%
      15,063
      17,141
      -12%
      Town & Country
      95
      14,200
      -99%
      341
      37,228
      -99%
      Pacifica
      9,340
      30
      New
      25,052
      140
      New
      CHRYSLER BRAND
      16,969
      25,373
      -33%
      47,076
      70,424
      -33%
      Dart
      1,578
      5,137
      -69%
      4,658
      16,241
      -71%
      Avenger
      0
      8
      -100%
      0
      23
      -100%
      Charger
      8,236
      8,798
      -6%
      22,319
      26,345
      -15%
      Challenger
      6,225
      5,325
      17%
      15,725
      16,128
      -2%
      Viper
      71
      65
      9%
      178
      137
      30%
      Journey
      11,858
      5,931
      100%
      34,400
      23,892
      44%
      Caravan
      15,602
      13,124
      19%
      40,054
      38,057
      5%
      Durango
      6,506
      7,241
      -10%
      16,729
      20,093
      -17%
      DODGE  BRAND
      50,076
      45,629
      10%
      134,063
      140,916
      -5%
      Ram P/U
      46,384
      43,647
      6%
      119,199
      113,298
      5%
      Cargo Van
      0
      1
      -100%
      0
      3
      -100%
      ProMaster Van
      4,048
      3,263
      24%
      10,047
      8,302
      21%
      ProMaster City
      1,317
      1,886
      -30%
      3,333
      4,551
      -27%
      RAM BRAND
      51,749
      48,797
      6%
      132,579
      126,154
      5%
      Giulia
      484
      0
      New
      966
      0
      New
      Alfa 4C 
      71
      43
      65%
      140
      158
      -11%
      ALFA BRAND
      555
      43
      1191%
      1,106
      158
      600%
      500
      1,671
      1,494
      12%
      4,020
      3,595
      12%
      500L
      106
      535
      -80%
      284
      1,262
      -77%
      500X
      726
      1,056
      -31%
      1,966
      3,258
      -40%
      Spider
      419
      0
      New
      961
      0
      New
      FIAT BRAND
      2,922
      3,085
      -5%
      7,231
      8,115
      -11%
      TOTAL FCA US LLC
      190,254
      199,467
      -5%
      510,798
      558,137
      -8%
          Total Car & MPV
      51,432
      59,902
      -14%
      136,381
      172,370
      -21%
          Total UV's
      87,073
      90,768
      -4%
      241,838
      259,613
      -7%
          Total Truck & LCV
      51,749
      48,797
      6%
      132,579
      126,154
      5%
                    MASERATI BRAND
      1,312
      997
      32%
      3,288
      2,250
      46%
                 
    • By William Maley
      One vehicle that we are currently excited to see is the new Jeep Wrangler pickup. We last heard production of this model would begin in 2018 at FCA's assembly plant in Toledo, OH. But production has been pushed back.
      Speaking with The Detroit News, Jeep head Mike Manley revealed the production of the Wrangler pickup has been pushed back till late 2019. No reason was given for this pushback. As we reported back in December, production of the Wrangler pickup would begin sometime after March 2018 - the month that production of the current Wrangler is expected to end.
      The Detroit News also says a name hasn't been chosen for the upcoming Wrangler pickup. If we may make a suggestion, Gladiator or Scrambler.
      Source: The Detroit News

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