2019 Toyota Corolla Hatchback To Begin $20,910*

I would definitely drive one of these. I wouldn't want a CVT though. That would leave me with a manual or a different car. 

give it a 0.33 inch lift, slap some cladding on it, Matrix Returns.

2 hours ago, Drew Dowdell said:

give it a 0.33 inch lift, slap some cladding on it, Matrix Returns.

You are so right, This could easily pass for an updated Matrix or Pontiac Vibe!  

No need for a Matrix when Toyota already has the RAV4 built on the same platform.

8 hours ago, Drew Dowdell said:

give it a 0.33 inch lift, slap some cladding on it, Matrix Returns.

And don't forget the wing on back.....

12 hours ago, riviera74 said:

No need for a Matrix when Toyota already has the RAV4 built on the same platform.

You must not have gotten the memo. Every brand needs 14 crossovers with only 2 inch difference between them in size

3 hours ago, Drew Dowdell said:

You must not have gotten the memo. Every brand needs 14 crossovers with only 2 inch difference between them in size

Sounds rather wasteful, especially when gas prices are already up 30 cents in a month and will probably get more expensive for the rest of summer.  The real question is whether the crossover thing will peter out if gas prices breach $4 a gallon just like SUVs did in 2008 and the culling began apace.

50 minutes ago, riviera74 said:

Sounds rather wasteful, especially when gas prices are already up 30 cents in a month and will probably get more expensive for the rest of summer.  The real question is whether the crossover thing will peter out if gas prices breach $4 a gallon just like SUVs did in 2008 and the culling began apace.

But we’re assured that is what people want

Well you should have seen me yesterday trying to haul some PVC picket fence sections in my Compass.  Just call me Jed Clampett.  Only a n00b would get rid of a pickup truck in the name of 8 MPG.

On 5/26/2018 at 7:19 AM, Drew Dowdell said:

You must not have gotten the memo. Every brand needs 14 crossovers with only 2 inch difference between them in size

That is correct, plus a luxury brand with another 14 crossovers that are 2 inches apart.   The car buying public will not be satisfied until Toyota/Lexus has 50 crossovers to pick from.

As far as the Corolla goes, this looks pretty ugly, the sedan looks better, and the sedan isn't winning any design awards either.

Ask yourself this : When CUV sales were nowhere- did toyoyo/lexus have 50 sedans/coupe to chose from?

14 hours ago, balthazar said:

Ask yourself this : When CUV sales were nowhere- did toyoyo/lexus have 50 sedans/coupe to chose from?

That isn’t how it works, it is commonly know that every sedan made by every manufacturer in the past 20 years loses money and every crossover makes at least $10,000 profit.  This statement hangs on the wall of auto execs around the world.

Sure that's how it works. Plus, at one point, sedans made $10K profit per and all CUVs lost money.

Or not.

As usual, discussing automotive trends is nearly impossible to separate the wheat from the chaff.

Trends come and go, some types of vehicles are popular at various points in time.  What is popular today may not be popular in 5 years.  Reality occurs. 

I like this car. It’s got a decent little motor, NO EcoTurbo bull shyte; and finally Toyota has stylistically a vehicle with effort on design even though it’s still more ‘meh’ than the new Focus, incumbent Cruze, Civic hatch and the Elantra GT.

And I hope it sells like crazy just to prove that Dearborn when it comes to cars has made forever only retarded decisions.

1 hour ago, Suaviloquent said:

...to prove that Dearborn when it comes to cars has made forever only retarded decisions.

Wow.

That was a bit cheeky and trolling by me. Yes. Of course Dearborn has made great cars before!

and all automakers do have bad periods, we all know unintended acceleration and the massive recalls that Toyota has. 

Panther cars made for badass cop cars and the Mustang is good, but yeah I just had to find some kind of new dig against them, same with General Moronics.

my biggest mistake is that in my view I hold domestic makes to higher standards, because I believe they can be much better if they weren’t so short sighted.

On 5/26/2018 at 7:19 AM, Drew Dowdell said:

You must not have gotten the memo. Every brand needs 14 crossovers with only 2 inch difference between them in size

Including MINI

I am sure these will be getting in my way when I am trying to drive. at least I won't have to look at that ugly face