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Which feature is essential in a performance car?   50 members have voted

  1. 1. Which feature is essential in a performance car?

    • Rear Wheel Drive
      21
    • Fully Manual Transmission
      16
    • V8 or a V12 etc.
      5
    • Forced Induction (turbo or supercharger)
      1
    • None of the Above
      9

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I voted RWD. Manual trans. is almost as essential but I'd raher have a automatic RWD car than a FWD wiht a manual. As much as I'm into Muscle Cars I've driven plenty of four and six cylinder cars that had a ton of power... even ones without a huffer. For instance given the choice I'd take a '72 Datsun 510 over an '06 Monte Carlo 5.3, or a Cobalt SS over a '96 Taurus SHO. (but then who in their right mind wouldn't?) Edited by Sixty8panther
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RWD, 6sp Manual, 2004+ S2000 (the one with the F22C engine). 240whp with 2.2 n/a liters in a 2800lb Roadster.
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Yeah, you should add "none of the above" to the list There is no absolute essential, as long as it goes fast good, accelerates great, and handles better....plus most importantly of all, looks the business, and doesn't give off that throwaway car vibe. If that's a front-drive NA V-6 automatic sedan, so be it.
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If that's a front-drive NA V-6 automatic sedan, so be it.

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I'd rather walk or use my Rollerblades! :puke:

As far as None of the Above, I don't want people to be on the fence. Pick one, don't be afraid to go with your gut instinct.
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oh yea thats me, my soul purpose for existance is to get a Datsun 510, the styling, the power, plush interior and all the performance features.........sorry I could think of better ways to waste 50 bucks

I need substance and will stick with what I know as quality, the rest is irrelevant if the package comes together nicely
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My gut instinct... None of the above. Razor said it quite nicely. RWD? FWD is more practical and the GP GXP is proof that torque steer doesn't have to be an issue. Manual? Tapshift or such is easier being that there is no clutch and you still decide when to shift. V8 or V12? If the vehicle is light enough, a 4cyl can be great for performance... Like the Elise. Forced induction? All I have to say is that the LS7 in the new Z06 is naturally aspirated. It kills. See? None of the above. :D
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Manual? Tapshift or such is easier being that there is no clutch and you still decide when to shift.

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There's nothing like a manual transmission. I honestly don't think anything will ever replace it, and it will always be an option even when CVT transmissions are standard on every car. It's hard to explain why, I think it has something to do with having your feet and hands directly connected to the car, in a way. Being able to set the engine free at any moment. It also has the most flexibility as far as driving is concerned (being able to rev anytime, between gears, etc. Being able to feather the clutch). Edited by siegen
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Manual? Tapshift or such is easier being that there is no clutch and you still decide when to shift.

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BLASPHEMY!!!

Go drive a Chrysler (Sebring or Intrepid for instance) or a VW or even a Audi and you'll never say such silliness again. Opting for a tap-shift instead of a full manual is like buying Gran Turismo 4 and a Playstation instead of buying a real Vette/Camaro.

I hate clutchless manuals. I'm not dumb. I don;t need some marketing B.S. I can "manually" shift my '79 Deville, '97 STS and I already shift my '68 Camaro's TH350 manually. I don't even have a throttle kick-down cable on the '68.

Stupid marketing fluff. <_< :angry: Edited by Sixty8panther
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There's nothing like a manual transmission. I honestly don't think anything will ever replace it, and it will always be an option even when CVT transmissions are standard on every car. It's hard to explain why, I think it has something to do with having your feet and hands directly connected to the car, in a way. Being able to set the engine free at any moment. It also has the most flexibility as far as driving is concerned (being able to rev anytime, between gears, etc. Being able to feather the clutch).

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I like standards too - sometimes but automatics have their benefits

Reving anytime and between gears? - is this a Harley Davidson kind of thing ?

Feathering the clutch ? - this is to increase the rate of ware ?

Ive drivin alot, trucks, sports cars, machinery you name it. A Fuller Roadranger be it a 8sp or a 15 you shift without the clutch, by the end of the day you swear if you ever had to shift one more time you would scream. I can take them back down through the gears for slowing with left foot on the brake and right on throttle (no clutch) becasue you do need to match engine RPM with tranny shaft RPM. I could also heal and toe on a sports car thats built for it, but I never remember feathering the clutch or reving anyol'time, sounds like a Harley guy at the gas pumps :unsure:

I watch alot of WRC and GP and road racing and that tap shift looks like the greatest thing since user friendy women.
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BLASPHEMY!!!

Go drive a Chrysler (Sebring or Intrepid for instance) or a VW or even a Audi and you'll never say such silliness again. Opting for a tap-shift instead of a full manual is like buying Gran Turismo 4 and a Playstation instead of buying a real Vette/Camaro.

I hate clutchless manuals. I'm not dumb. I don;t need some marketing B.S. I can "manually" shift my '79 Deville, '97 STS and I already shift my '68 Camaro's TH350 manually. I don't even have a throttle kick-down cable on the '68.

Stupid marketing fluff.  <_<  :angry:

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There are noticeable exceptions. I'd be bored stiff in an automatic econobox, but would much prefer a sequential manual in a Ferrari F430, Enzo, or F1 car. Oh, wait, they only come with F1-style gearboxes.
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There's nothing like a manual transmission. I honestly don't think anything will ever replace it, and it will always be an option even when CVT transmissions are standard on every car. It's hard to explain why, I think it has something to do with having your feet and hands directly connected to the car, in a way. Being able to set the engine free at any moment. It also has the most flexibility as far as driving is concerned (being able to rev anytime, between gears, etc. Being able to feather the clutch).


I know what a fully manual transmission is like... I have one. I would take one over anything. I was just making my point that it isn't the most important... as with everything else.

Also, what about sequential transmissions? I'm not sure what the hell Empowah meant... but he reminded me of them.
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This is about performance, right? A good automatic will shift a hell of alot faster than any driver with a stick.
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RWD? FWD is more practical and the GP GXP is proof that torque steer doesn't have to be an issue.

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FWD is more practical for family cars, but RWD will always be preferred for sports cars, even with torque steer tuned out to be almost non-existent. The weight balance in a RWD car is closer to 50/50, and with FWD you're stuffing the drivetrain up with the engine...it's just too messy and heavy. There is a reason that you will never see FWD Benzes or Beamers.
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Thanks Mustang... and BTW Satty: I'll give up 3/10 of a second at the track for a more durable, more lightweight, zero-maintenance and fun to drive tranny versus a big heavy clunky automatic. Another reason why I think a lot of Sports/Exotic car manufacturers are going to shit. An automatic Ferrari? Give me a break. If I'm paying that kind of money for a Ferrari or Lambo I'd demand a fully manual trans. That's what is the matter wiht racing these days. No more seat of the pants driving, the iron, grit and determination is no longer a big factor. Now it' sabout computerised this and electronic that. To hell with it. I drove a triptronic POrsche 911 once nad walked away thiking "WHY?!?!" Why spend that kind of money to drive it like it's a '94 Town Car. Racing to me is a '69 Camaro rubbing fenders with a '69 Mustang at Lime Rock or Laguna Seca. 60s and early 70s Trans Am racing was awsome. No computerised bullshit and no excuses. Just a big old carburator on a 4.9 liter V8 and a solid manual trans. And lots of creative, elaborate and sneaky bending of the rules by Smokey and Penske.
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Yea I'd love a old V12 250, 275 or 330 Ferrari with a gated 5 speed but Im afraid I missed the boat on that one. In todays Ferrari world the wealthy potential buyers are probably very excited about getting that F1 tranny. Someone should check out the Cobalt CanAM thread and see where a FWD Chevy is holding its own against BMW's and other RWD competitors on the tracks across America. Not that Im pro FWD only Im just not into all the bashing that is directed at many many cars I love and drive - happily. Non stop bashing, barfing, downing drivers of as being incompetent, acting like one knows some secret driving knowledge that anyone happy with their FWD doesnt have, talking about torque steer like its some uncontrolable dangerous phenom and all the compounded bull shit we have had to endure is just that BullShit. Just today this old boy planted a solid 20 feet off both tires while turning slight left and crossing bridge. Reaching over 60 before the turn just across. i must be one hell of a driver because I damn near lost her - yarite ! It did exactly as it was told and did it swiftly and its a softly sprung 3800lb 4 dr fully loaded family sedan that is unstopable in a snow storm. I should just go hang my head in shame - ey ? Get over it Sly, we dont insult you, your driving or your cars because much like we recieve it would be alot of BullShit ! ;-)
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Also, what about sequential transmissions? I'm not sure what the hell Empowah meant... but he reminded me of them.

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Manual transmissions with a robotized clutch, controlled with flappy paddles:

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Thank you, Razor... :bowdown:

Manual transmissions with a robotized clutch, controlled with flappy paddles:


That's what I thought. Honestly, what is wrong with this? The absense of a stick? A clutch pedal? Really... What is it? For racing and overall ease of use, it would be much better than a fully manual tranny. Faster shifts, more steering control, less footwork. Seems logical to me...
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BV, dont waste your time arguing with old schoolers. Frankly, for track applications, the automated clutch system would be best as far as I can tell. As for it being less reliable, any transmission is vulnerable if it is abused.
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BV, dont waste your time arguing with old schoolers.  Frankly, for track applications, the automated clutch system would be best as far as I can tell.  As for it being less reliable, any transmission is vulnerable if it is abused.

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Well theres certainly more to go wrong over time with all the extra electronics and mechanicals.

Tune ito a WRC rally someday if you want to see a slap shift getting a workout. They do shift fast, instantly

This I do not know ? Is there still a floor clutch to start and stop ? On the F1's and these Rally cars that is ?
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