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Obama's lead nationally is solid, and as I mentioned somewhere, he is in a commanding position in regards to the electoral college. That said, there are 24 days left, anything can happen. McCain would have to figure out what he's campaigning for, so far he's only been campaigning for the presidency, which doesn't really appeal to average people. A clear, concise message, not based on personal attacks might do him some good. Then again, there are only 24 days left.

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He(McCain) needs to stay on target with some solid domestic policy, something lacking in his presentation so far.

Chris

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Just a reality check:

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Let's just hope that it is this way in November. I have been going door to door for Obama and a strange thing has happened. Several houses in Circleville (white mostly Republican community south of Columbus) where I was told they were definitely voting McCain now have Obama signs in the yard.

Although the Republicans around here still have a strong base. They don't seem to be working as hard/campaigning as hard for McCain as they did for Bush, however.

Chris

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McCain hasn't had a consistent economic plan that resonates with voters. They dont trust him on the economy, and he works around the subject anytime it comes up. Poll after poll shows people trust Democrats nore on economic issues right now and McCain isn't doing anything to make them think twice.

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Let's just hope that it is this way in November. I have been going door to door for Obama and a strange thing has happened. Several houses in Circleville (white mostly Republican community south of Columbus) where I was told they were definitely voting McCain now have Obama signs in the yard.

Although the Republicans around here still have a strong base. They don't seem to be working as hard/campaigning as hard for McCain as they did for Bush, however.

Chris

The Republicans just don't have the money for the ground game (or any game) that Obama does.

RNC just yanked some funding for McCain so they could try and save a few of the congressional seats that are up for election this year. The RNC is basically "calling it" for Obama one month out by doing this.

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The Republicans just don't have the money for the ground game (or any game) that Obama does.

RNC just yanked some funding for McCain so they could try and save a few of the congressional seats that are up for election this year. The RNC is basically "calling it" for Obama one month out by doing this.

I'm surprised McCain pulled out of Michigan...just gave up.

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You seem like a pretty tough animal, I reckon you'll survive. The question is how bad will it be for either McCain or Obama over the next four years? With the number of dumbass rednecks in this country who would like to kill Obama because he is black and McCains health, neither of them have that good of a shot in one sense of lasting four more years.

And while I like the down to earth Soccar mom nature of Palin and the Experience of Biden, I'm not sure either one is really equiped to run the nation.

Chris

That about sums it up.

We are screwed for a while no matter what.

Whoever doesn't believe that - please give some of what you've been smoking!

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The question is how bad will it be for either McCain or Obama over the next four years? With the number of dumbass rednecks in this country who would like to kill Obama because he is black

I think it's pretty pathetic that 232 years after our country was founded upon the principles of equality for all and 143 years after slavery was abolished, we still have people who are so intolerant and stupid that they are yelling death threats at presidential rallies. The demonizing of Obama as being some radical Arab that has been going on shows how paranoid our country has become since 9/11. His name doesn't end in Smith or Johnson, so he must be a radical Muslim. His skin is black, so he must have some hidden anti-American agenda. The attitudes this election are pretty disgusting.

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I think it's pretty pathetic that 232 years after our country was founded upon the principles of equality for all and 143 years after slavery was abolished, we still have people who are so intolerant and stupid that they are yelling death threats at presidential rallies. The demonizing of Obama as being some radical Arab that has been going on shows how paranoid our country has become since 9/11. His name doesn't end in Smith or Johnson, so he must be a radical Muslim. His skin is black, so he must have some hidden anti-American agenda. The attitudes this election are pretty disgusting.

Come door to door with me Saturday...(assuming I skip the SCCA Autocross at National Trail Raceway).

You will be amazed at the average "undecided" Ohio voter. Never has so much been decided by so few who are so unable to comprehend any form of reality.

Be afraid...be really afraid for our democracy, seriously. We need well educated people voting who want to understand the issues. This thing comes down to a popularity contest or the usual Republican chant of God, Guns and Gays.

The Titanic has no one at the helm, it would seem.

Chris

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>>"The demonizing of Obama as being some radical Arab that has been going on shows how paranoid our country has become since 9/11. His name doesn't end in Smith or Johnson, so he must be a radical Muslim. His skin is black, so he must have some hidden anti-American agenda."<<

Everything I heard from those against Obama's fundamentals never seriously mentions him being a muslim OR black, but there are rampant concerns about his radical ideals. He has, of course, increasingly moved toward the right during the course of the campaign, but that's not a reliable picture, it's playing to the voters. The fear is --with his heavily shrouded past-- that even the earilest view of the man is majorly 'toned down' from reality.

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I'm surprised McCain pulled out of Michigan...just gave up.

Apparently, the Republican governor of Florida is giving up on McCain there.... he has stopped campaigning for McCain for the duration of the election.

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I believe what Gov. Christ (why didn't McCain go with him, the base would have loved the name) said was that if he had time, he would campaign for McCain. Then he skipped a McCain rally to go to Disney World.

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I believe what Gov. Christ (why didn't McCain go with him, the base would have loved the name) said was that if he had time, he would campaign for McCain. Then he skipped a McCain rally to go to Disney World.

Because it's quite well known in the gay community that he's one of us.

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This is one the better articles I've seen yet analyzing the economic and government policy angles of the current situation, from Fortune:

Fortune article: How to Rebuild America

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>>"The Ayers thing doesn't hold water. "<<

Right-o.

Let's review, kiddies.

Here, again, is a recent pic of Ayers standing on the American Flag (cowardly out-of-sight in a narrow alleyway):

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Nice, would be a great mentor to anyone.

He was and still is a subversive anti-American radical, instead of orchestrating bombings, he delights in turning young minds (teachers & students) into indoctrinated mush. Although Barry laughably tried to dismiss him as "just a guy from the neighborhood", Barry launched his political career from Ayers' living room coffee table & has never dis-associated himself from Ayers. Just happenstance, or is there something more?

From his soon-to-released publication (I kid you not) Sing a Battle Song: The Revolutionary Poetry, Statements and Communiqués of the Weather Underground, 1970-1974 : “Once things were connected,” Ayers’s introduction recollects, “we saw a system at work, we were radicalized, we named that system—imperialism—and forged an idea of how to overthrow it. We were influenced by Marx, but we were formed more closely and precisely by Che, Ho, Malcolm X, Amílcar Cabral, Mandela—the Third World revolutionaries—and we called ourselves small ‘c’ communists to indicate our rejection of what had become of Marx in the Soviet Block [sic]. . . . We were anti-authoritarian, anti-orthodoxy, communist street fighters.”

Ayers also believes evil corporations exercise thought control through the public school system.

For another course @ Columbia, titled "Improving Learning Environments," Ayers proposes that teachers "be aware of the social and moral universe we inhabit and . . . be a teacher capable of hope and struggle, outrage and action, a teacher teaching for social justice and liberation."

Sounds like any political speeches you've heard recently (& incessantly)?

Oh, wait... that's right- Barry was only 8 when the bombs went off- how could there be any concern about this professional & personal relationship with merely a 'guy from the neighborhood' ??

Republican machers Walter and Leonora Annenberg gave the former terrorist $50 million. They also gave money to Rick Santorum, Strom Thurmond and Mitt Romney. Annenberg was Nixon's ambassador to Britain. If Obama is "palling around with terrorists," the Republican Annenbergs are funding them.

Yesterday, the McCain campain put out a press release boasting that Leonore Annenberg had just endorsed him for president. Why is McCain happy to accept the endorsement of a funder of terrorism?

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Man, even North Dakota is starting to turn blue, a state that has been heavily Republican for decades.

http://electoral-vote.com/

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I saw that NoDak poll. I'm assuming its an outlier but its not the NoDak has polled for Obama. Earlier this year Montana polled for him, too. Montana did go for Clinton in '92. The electoral map is really, really ugly for McCain, Obama is leading or close in so many states, and Obama has the huge cash advantage, McCain really doesn't haev any options other than to pray.

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Sounds like McCain is going to bring up the Ayers thing at the debate tomorrow.

But McCain said he'll probably bring it up in the Hofstra debate.

"I was astonished to hear him say that he was surprised I 'didn't have the guts' to do that, because the fact is, the question didn't come up in that fashion," McCain said of the last debate. "I think he's probably ensured it will come up this time."

McCain made clear that he still thinks it's an issue. "It's not that I give a damn about some old washed-up terrorist and his terrorist wife, who in 2001 said they wish they'd bombed more. What I care about, and what the American people care about, is whether he's being truthful."

http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/10/14/debate.preview/

Yeah, McCain, all about truthfulness....like your nose hasn't stretched numerous times this election. :rolleyes:

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Republican machers Walter and Leonora Annenberg gave the former terrorist $50 million. They also gave money to Rick Santorum, Strom Thurmond and Mitt Romney. Annenberg was Nixon's ambassador to Britain. If Obama is "palling around with terrorists," the Republican Annenbergs are funding them.

Yesterday, the McCain campain put out a press release boasting that Leonore Annenberg had just endorsed him for president. Why is McCain happy to accept the endorsement of a funder of terrorism?

Nothing here either? You have to have something to say about McCain accepting endorsements/money from people who have funded the terrorist Ayers.

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