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Your vote for the Pontiac you would have bought during the 1960's?

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I had a chance to buy a 1968 Firebird convertible in green with a white interior once.

Here's the awesome part: 326 with column shift!

Back in 2000 (actually it might have been 2001) it was for sale for $10,000 & the car

had very low miles and was in excellent non-restored condition. A collector in the

Worcester, MA area was near death and since he was a recluse the whole process of

looking at the cars was awkwardly handled through his brother & sister.

The other two I looked t that he had in his collection:

1964 REAL STUDEBAKER Avanti, gold metallic, clean as a whistle.... $12,000 iirc

1963 Corvette Split Window in champagne with a 327/4-spd $20-something

he also had a bunch of crap I did not care a lick about & I thought them to be

cars I'd never aspire to own:

the awkward, ugly 1970s Jag. E-type ragtop

1955/6 Thunderbird (this one was rough & non-running)

1980s Jaguar XJ6

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Sorry no link but it would be a first generation Grand Prix, '62-'63 Catalina Super Duty, '69 GTO Judge, 1969 Firebird/Trans Am Hardtop or a 1969 Bonneville 2 door hard top.

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In some sort of rough order ::

63 GP 421SD (3 built)

63 'Swiss Cheese' Catalina 421SD

61 Catalina 389SD 'batwing' 2-dr sedan

62 Catalina 421SD hardtop

64 GP 421

62 GP 'street' 421

64 Catalina 2-dr sedan 421

64 Bonne coupe

64 Cat Safari

61 Ventura SD hardtop

65 Bonne 2-dr hardtop

66 GP

67 Cat 2+2 428

68 GP

69 GP

65 GTO

66 GTO

68 GTO

I love the looks of the 1st gen Firebirds, but I don't think I'd ever be happy owning one; knowing the full-sizers so well. Same reason why the GTOs rank at the bottom of my list.

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The one I still want to buy today is a 61 Cat bubble top with a 4 speed tri power and 8 lug wheels. I have had several friends that either had one or still own one.

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In some sort of rough order ::

61 Catalina 389SD 'batwing' 2-dr sedan

67 Cat 2+2 428

I love the looks of the 1st gen Firebirds, but I don't think I'd ever be happy owning one; knowing the full-sizers so well. Same reason why the GTOs rank at the bottom of my list.

Do you have any pics of the 67 Catalina 2+2 428? Think I've seen earlier 2+2 Pontiacs but not sure I've ever seen a 67?

Also, there is a website called the ultimate GTO pic site, is there a pic. site for the fullsize stuff?

...and pardon me for saying this, but I just love the nickname "batwing" for the 61 Cat.

Chris

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Do you have any pics of the 67 Catalina 2+2 428?

Also, there is a website called the ultimate GTO pic site, is there a pic. site for the fullsize stuff?

...and pardon me for saying this, but I just love the nickname "batwing" for the 61 Cat.

This is the factory pic- not the greatest. Badging & fender vents (almost invisible in this angle) distinguish the 2+2 visually :

1964-1967-pontiac-catalina-2-2-3.jpg

There are just NOT that many pics of F/S '67s on the 'net.

Ultimate GTO is a great site, but no; there's nothing remotely close for F/S PMDs.

There really should be, since the GTO was 'de-engineered' from the big cars anyway.

'Batwing' '61 Cat :

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This is the factory pic- not the greatest. Badging & fender vents (almost invisible in this angle) distinguish the 2+2 visually :

1964-1967-pontiac-catalina-2-2-3.jpg

There are just NOT that many pics of F/S '67s on the 'net.

Ultimate GTO is a great site, but no; there's nothing remotely close for F/S PMDs.

There really should be, since the GTO was 'de-engineered' from the big cars anyway.

Perhaps I can be of assistance ...

pont67cat22conv2y.jpg

However my heart belongs to the 1969 (the only model year for this car) Pontiac Custom-S, my 1st car that I bought when I was 14 years old in Tampa, Florida with some help from my uncle. I have it to this very day and it is going in for a full restore in July in Texas. My car was built at the Baltimore assembly plant in December of 1968.

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That's a good shot of the 2+2-exclusive fenders... but I dislike converts, so I avoid pics of them. Chopping off that fastback roofline takes too much away, IMO.

As for the '69 Tempest Custom-S, the 1-year 'S' addition to the nameplate is all there is 'special' to that model, it's the exact same model line in '68, just called the Tempest Custom. In '70, it gets a cache' boost to the LeMans line, but all 3 lines are series 235. Same cars within the PMD heirarchy.

Anyone else ever bothered at the phrase 'going for a full restore', or is it just me ??

It's grammatically incorrect - should be "full restoration", no ? God, tho, I see it all the time...

Congrats, PCS, that you are able to swing a hired restoration. TON of work when you do it yourself.

Last year offered was '68, but Rallye I rims would really dress your '69 up, PCS. On a '66 :

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Going to institute any changes/upgrades during the restoration ?

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Anyone else ever bothered at the phrase 'going for a full restore', or is it just me ??

It's grammatically incorrect - should be "full restoration", no ?

'restore' is the verb, 'restoration' is the noun. Don't think I've seen 'restore' used as a the noun before...

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Right, CaM. Like I said- I see it CONSTANTLY in vintage car ads.

Puzzling how the same mistake is repeated so often.

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Here's a pic of a '68 Pontiac 2+2..hard to find a pic of the ht, or a stock condition one..

1968-pontiac-parisienne-2-2--large-msg-1

I like a lot of '60s Pontiacs, esp. '68-69 GTOs and the '69 Grand Prix, and many of the earlier ones.

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Here's an unfortunate '60s Pontiac-- a firetruck fell on this guy's '69 Firebird that was parked in his driveway Friday.

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Denver Post article

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Cubitar :: that '68 is a Canadian Pontiac, AKA a Chevy in Pontiac's clothing.

No U.S. (Pontiac-engined) 2+2s for '68; it was a '64-67 run here.

'64 was a trim/equipment package- nothing mandated powertrain-wise,

but '65-67 got the bigger 421/428 motors standard.

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Cubitar :: that '68 is a Canadian Pontiac, AKA a Chevy in Pontiac's clothing.

No U.S. (Pontiac-engined) 2+2s for '68; it was a '64-67 run here.

Never said it wasn't Canadian. :) The Parisienne 2+2 was available in Canada through '70, I think.

There is a really sharp silver blue '64 Parisienne convertible in Denver, I've seen it several times over the last few years.

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Fair enough, but the vast majority of enthusiasts consider Canadian Pontiacs to be as much a Pontiac as a Korean Pontiac. :wink:

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Fair enough, but the vast majority of enthusiasts consider Canadian Pontiacs to be as much a Pontiac as a Korean Pontiac. :wink:

That's lame..Canadian Pontiacs certainly look much the same as American Pontiacs, though they have Chevy dirty bits underneath.

One thing I've wondered about regarding Canadian Pontiacs--there were the midsize (Beaumont) and compact (Acadian) models--but those were considered separate brands, not Pontiacs, apparently, or so I've read. So there were no Pontiac-engined midsize models sold in Canada in the '60s (i.e. no GTOs?). But I believe I've read Beaumont stopped after '69, so what did Canada have for midsize Pontiacs from then forward?

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If a Pontiac was only about looking like a Pontiac, wouldn't there be all sorts of love for the G3 ?

Pontiacs, real Pontiacs that enthusiasts embrace and threads are written to celebrate the heritage of, do NOT include Chevy chassis'd, suspension'd & powertrain'd Canadian cheap imitations.

>>"One thing I've wondered about regarding Canadian Pontiacs--there were the midsize (Beaumont) and compact (Acadian) models--but those were considered separate brands, not Pontiacs, apparently, or so I've read. So there were no Pontiac-engined midsize models sold in Canada in the '60s-70s (i.e. no GTOs?)."<<

Nope- no Canadian GTOs, no Pontiac-engined Canadian Pontiacs up thru '70 at least. You are right RE the Acadian & Beaumont; technically separate brands, but they were styled in the Pontiac vein & were sold in Pontiac dealerships as 'replacement' models (Beaumont = Tempest, Acadian was a Chevy II).

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Nope- no Canadian GTOs, no Pontiac-engined Canadian Pontiacs up thru '70 at least. You are right RE the Acadian & Beaumont; technically separate brands, but they were styled in the Pontiac vein & were sold in Pontiac dealerships as 'replacement' models (Beaumont = Tempest, Acadian was a Chevy II).

I've seen a couple of Beaumonts in Michigan and Ontario years ago, neat cars...saw a '67 and '68, looked like Chevelles with Pontiac-ish grille and taillight treatments, w/ Pontiac dashes.

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You could get a 'SD-396' Beaumont, Chevy 396 V8 (I believe the 'SD" was a take-off of the U.S.- 'Super Duty' moniker)... no doubt those hi-po Beaus would scoot.

I never cared for the Canadian versions, since they just look like 'weird Pontiacs' to my PMD-worn eye. Much more generic, almost more like Buicks than Pontiacs....

I did read that the Beau got the Tempest dash starting in '64, but I kno some of the big cars used Chevy dashes, and obviously the Acadian used a Chevy dash since there was no 'Pontiac Chevy II'...

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