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Okay well I just can't help myself I'm so dog gonned obsessed with this whole four door hardtop thing that I had to share some of cool google finds with you. I find redeming value in some of the ugliest, plainest or otherwise unexciting cars if they have a hardtop greenhouse.

I've decided to dedicate a thread, THIS ONE, to pictures of just four door hardtops of all makes and years. Forget those retarded "4-door-coupe" Mercedes Benzes that have no concept of reality... this is as sexy as a four door car will ever get IMHO.



P.S. for obvious reasons I've tried to post only pictures where all four windows are rolled down. B)


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Something Mopar

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Something blue

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To each his own... the 850 is a gr8 BMW. :)

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Here's an interesting one:

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Well like I said I was trying to kep this thread to four door hardtops only, but when I make a 2dr hardtop thread you'll see a couple European cars... and even a couple JJapanese, no joke! Edited by Sixty8panther

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Hey, I had a MOPAR almost like your picture!

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Though mine was a 1970 Chrysler New Yorker (with the 440/4bbl). Used to "hunt" for 1988 Camaro IROC Z's with that car...they never knew what hit 'em! Great car...not such a great picture.

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Here's a cool photo I took this summer of the Corvair that I mentioned in TurboRush's thread.


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Enzora:

Well, post a topic that doesn't bore you. :)



BV:

Great classic ad, but a very sad story. :(



BigPoncho:

I almost bought a 1972 Chrylser New Yorker in pea soup green. It was runnig and driving with a 440 and the guy was a motivated seller, asking only $1200. Saddly it was just a few months before Sofia was born and I could not justify buying ANOTHER car, esp since I had no place to store it.

In a parallel universe I would have sold my Blazer and made that car my daily driver. :) 1200 bucks, I get depressed just thinking about it.

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Couldn't find too many photos of 4dr hard top 1970 N.Y.ers like yours but here's a nice sedan.

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Ohh found one:

http://www.fuselage.de/chr70/70chr_lineup_b.jpg





Here's a stripped Chevelle 4dr that shows off the half-posts where a B-pillar would be on a pillared sedan.

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Nice... right up until this happens:

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As cool of a concept it is, I don't see them coming back. Pillarless two-doors, on the other hand, seem like the best compromise between safety and styling.

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Still better than a convertible where there is NO roof and no B or C pillar. If they can make a Solstice meet federal crash standards then this should be no problem.

Frankly I'm pretty sick of all this liberal it's for your own good regulation. (no offense Empowah) Stuff like this makes me think of Communist CzechoSlovakia in the 1970s and 1980s. Convertibles were outlawed in the early 70s because they were considered by the government to be unsafe. When I came to the USA as an 8 year old kid in 1987 I had NEVER seen a convertible in my life. There were a few around but I'd never seen one wiht a few rare 30s/40s exceptions.

So as far as I'm concerned I want 4 door and 2 door hardtops BACK.


BTW: The 89-up Mercedes Benz SL's A-pillar is strong enough to not crush in a collision even if the car rolls over wiht highway styel inertia... so if made strong enough this stubby B-post could be made BETTER than a sedan's.



And how about the Ion Quad coupe??? Supposedly (acccording to GM) it has BETTER side impact safety than the equivelant Ion Sedan. That car has NO fixed B-pillar... stubby or not.

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The following owns all the above:

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The 1965 Cadillac Sedan DeVille. (Sorry for the crappy pic, wanted one quick.) My parents had one just like that for several years back in the 70s. First car I ever went over 100mph in. First car I ever "drove", sitting on my dad's lap w/ the cruise control on. (Shudder to think of trying that today!) The thing was huge- it would seat 6. For dinner. :D

Some of my earliest car memories are of that Caddy. I remember going on a picnic w/ my family and another family, and it rained. All the adults got in the car, and 6 of us kids got in the trunk, w/ the lid up and a tarp pulled over it, like a tent. Good times...

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Yawn.  This is getting really old.

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For real.

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Still better than a convertible where there is NO roof and no B or C pillar. If they can make a Solstice meet federal crash standards then this should be no problem.

Frankly I'm pretty sick of all this liberal it's for your own good regulation. (no offense Empowah) Stuff like this makes me think of Communist CzechoSlovakia in the 1970s and 1980s. Convertibles were outlawed in the early 70s because they were considered by the government to be unsafe. When I came to the USA as an 8 year old kid in 1987 I had NEVER seen a convertible in my life. There were a few around but I'd never seen one wiht a few rare 30s/40s exceptions.

So as far as I'm concerned I want 4 door and 2 door hardtops BACK.
BTW: The 89-up Mercedes Benz SL's A-pillar is strong enough to not crush in a collision even if the car rolls over wiht highway styel inertia... so if made strong enough this stubby B-post could be made BETTER than a sedan's.
And how about the Ion Quad coupe??? Supposedly (acccording to GM) it has BETTER side impact safety than the equivelant Ion Sedan. That car has NO fixed B-pillar... stubby or not.

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The ION and all the other suicide-door cars (Element, RX-8, etc.) have B-pillars integrated into the door frame that extend to the roof and floor. They don't stop at the greenhouse.

B-pillarless coupes and convertibles are different in structure compared to B-pillarless sedans in that there's no rear door opening (well, d'oh). This allows for a far beefier lower "B-pillar" and side beam:

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And about the Merc SL's A-pillar, the forces involved in a rollover are very different from those of a side crash. I don't think its A-pillar can survive a 31-mph blow from the side. Edited by empowah

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Enzora:
Yawn.  This is getting really old.


For real.

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No one is MAKING anyone participate in any thread. If I think a thread is annoying, boring or old I don't post in it. Matter if fact I do not even have to read it. That's the beauty of free will.


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Empowah:

Yes, a suicide door 4dr (RX8, Ion QuadCoupe) does have a b-pillar that "attaches" to the roof and floor but your argument seems flawed to me. A car rolling over at high speed and coming down wiht all of its weight onto ONE post that attaches only at one hard point and has a piece of glass glued to it is pretty damn severe... I'd say just as if not more than a 30MPH impact into the side from a moving car. Inertia is inertia... there's stil two doors wiht metal strikers and hinges on the side of the car... regardless of the number of glass pillars.

I happen to think todays technology can and WILL solve all these problems that you're refering to... I mean there's still a solid roof that helps to keep the car intact & can be designed to absorb some of the impact.

In either case this was not supposed to be an agrument about 4dr Hardtops vs. 4dr Sedans. It's about the beauty and elegance that comes of this bodystyle coupled with some of the nicest bodystyes of 1949 to the mid 1970s


With that in mind here's some other beauties:




1957 Pontiac Chieftan Hardtop

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1960 Imperial Custom Southampton Hardtop Sedan

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1967 Imperial LeBaron

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1968 Mercury Park Lane Broughm

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1972 Imperial

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1972 Chevroet Impala 4dr Hardtop

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The tastes of the masses change over time, they evolve, for better or for worse. Thats why you can no longer get a true hardtop coupe or sedan anymore. No amount of bitching is going to change that.

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No one is MAKING anyone participate in any thread. If I think a thread is annoying, boring or old I don't post in it. Matter if fact I do not even have to read it. That's the beauty of free will.

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The beauty of free will is that you can't force us to refrain from participating, either :P

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The tastes of the masses change over time, they evolve, for better or for worse.  Thats why you can no longer get a true hardtop coupe or sedan anymore.  No amount of bitching is going to change that.

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I'm sure the taste is there... it's just that the compromises, be it safety, weight (from additional reinforcement), or cost, are too great for something most people won't recognize anyway. Edited by empowah

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Lemon-suckin' Olds. Still looks better than a Lincoln of this general vintage.

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I'm sure the taste is there... it's just that the compromises, be it safety, weight (from additional reinforcement), or cost, are too great for something most people won't recognize anyway.

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True.... same as most people can't tell the differance between a great bottle of Cabernet Savignon and the crap that comes in a box.



WMJ:

You sly fox you. Are you trying to make my heart stop? That '59 Electra 225 Riviera is one sexy bitch. Definition of car porn right there. Id take that over ANY car made in MY1959 including the Corvette and all the Cadillacs.



Moving right along, here's some more sexy 4dr Hardtops:



1954 Buick

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1957 Chevrolet

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& here's two 1958 Cadillacs. 2 roofs, 8 doors, Zer B-pillars. :)

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1960 Dodge Dart

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1961 Lincoln Continental EDIT: nevermind!

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1962 Chrysler

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1964 Oldsmobile Super 88 Holiday Hardtop

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1965 Caddy Calais HT

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1970 Cadillac SDV HT

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1970 Impala

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1971 Cadillac DeVille

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1975 Pontiac Grand Ville Brougham HT

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Surprise!! Lincoln's last 4-dr hardtop was '60: all the '60s 4-dr non-convertible Lincolns (and all those afterwards thru at least '75) were 4-dr sedans. Weird lil' factoid from the very peak of the hardtop era. Edited by balthazar

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I sure do love me a car without B-pillars!

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Balthazar:

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I remember watching some movie as a kid where a few people are stepping to of a '61-ish Conti and it has the stubby pillars. I could have sworn it was a hardtop but I guess not. It's been about 3 or 4 years since I've seen one in the flesha nd up close and I guess I just always assumed that the chrome b-pillar rolled down with the window.

Wow... that totally ruins Suicide door Lincoln sedqans for me. I'd never buy a sedan 1961-64 but I do still love the ragtops for obvious reasons.


*thinking*


Actaully scratch that! I'll definatelly buy a 4dr sedan at some point just so I can install the B-post and windows off a ragtop. THEN there will be at least ONE hardtop Lincoln continental form that era!




Even this photo is very deceiving: doesn't it APPEAR like that's a hardtop? (just with the rear window up)

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You learn something new every day. 1961 Ford engineers: you suck!

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Moving right along as you've probably noticed I've got a thing for hardtop Mopars from the 50s and 60s... sme more nice ones right here:


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So...now you hate a simplistic, elegant car because it has a thin B-pillar? How lame.

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Time for some GM porn:

1956 Pontiac interior sketches... (4 door hardtops)

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1957 Pontiac Chieftan

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1959 Pontiac Flat Top (vista roof) too large to post:

http://www.tocmp.com/brochures/Pontiac/195...Page_13_JPG.jpg



Another '59 Poncho fishbowl

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Last one I promise: (last '59 I mean)

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1961 Pontiac >>> do not click if you have a heart condition <<<



1965 Bonneville

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1966 Tempest LeMans HT

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No it's NOT a GTO. It's a '66 Tempest Custom 4dr hardtop

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1968 Pontiac Tempest LeMans

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And now for someting completely different: a 1959 Oldsmobile

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