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... with the full-size Blazer and 2-door Tahoe have gotten me wondering. I wonder how long I can tap the used market for the great stuff GM no longer builds - the stuff I actually like. Almost all of those cars are getting difficult to find in pristine, low-mile, condition. The 2-door SUVs are a great example as they never built enough of them for the demand, consequently they have been in short supply from the outset. This has kept prices quite high even for very high-mileage examples.

Seems to me, the same will be true for the GTO and other interesting GM cars going forward. Don't get me wrong, I enjoy rehabing the stuff I find, but it would be nice to find something in mint condition now and then. It just seems like all the good stuff gets used-up, rather than preserved.

As for new stuff, I can only wait and see what shows up. Maybe something I would want will show up eventually.

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I would hazard a guess that cars such as the GTO and G8 GXP among others will probably be abused in the long run and may not fair so well. On the other hand you might be able to find a mint Aztek in 20 years :neenerneener:

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Funny.

I'm more likely to become a pedestrian than to buy an Aztek.

It just sucks a bit to go from an amazing array of stuff I like down to almost nothing.

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It is a sad reality that we unfortunately have to live with. Even cars such as my Riviera are becoming harder and harder to find in good to pristine condition, and these are only 15 years old at the most currently. People today aside from us gearheads just dont value their cars as much as I would imagine people did 30, 40 years ago. Why take care of your car and baby it today when tomorrow you're just gonna trade it in for the next big thing. The only way I can see this trend changing is with the advent of green cars becoming more common, such as the Volt. While nifty and indeed an engineering marvel, I think people like us, meaning the enthusiasts will see the changing of the guard and will hopefully be able to save more of these future classics, trying to hold on to whats left of cars as we know them.

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Well, vehicles from the '90s and today have just 'used cars' status, not really old enough to be considered collector cars or get that kind of interest from people..

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That's true, however the same could be said at the beginning of this decade about 80's cars, and yet now 3rd gen F bodies and Grand Nationals etc are considered classics ( more so the GN's) I can see the first gen Viper's, Prowlers, C5's and such becoming collectors items in the near future.

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That's true, however the same could be said at the beginning of this decade about 80's cars, and yet now 3rd gen F bodies and Grand Nationals etc are considered classics ( more so the GN's) I can see the first gen Viper's, Prowlers, C5's and such becoming collectors items in the near future.

Yes, 3rd gen F bodies and GNs are old enough and uncommon enough that people are restoring them and preserving clean originals. Kind of old enough to have fallen out of used car status. Kind of like my Mustang...most GTs and LX 5.0s were used up in the '90s, trashed by the kiddies, modified w/ a bunch of aftermarket $h!. Mine is all original and preserved that way.

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People are restoring 3rd gen F-bodies? Why? Thats like restoring a Corsica or Previa or some other POS.

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People are restoring 3rd gen F-bodies? Why? Thats like restoring a Corsica or Previa or some other POS.

Only you would think that.

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People are restoring 3rd gen F-bodies? Why? Thats like restoring a Corsica or Previa or some other POS.

I'm sure people are restoring the good ones..V8 IROC-Zs, Trans Ams, GTAs, etc. Not the common stuff.

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...1LEs, any vert, WS6s, Formulas, Firehawks, RS Camaros...

Like the 5.0 Mustangs, these cars are much loved.

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...1LEs, any vert, WS6s, Formulas, Firehawks, RS Camaros...

Like the 5.0 Mustangs, these cars are much loved.

Ya...and you just don't see them around anymore. Maybe a nice one at the occasional car show, but about the only time I see any 3rd gen on a street it's a worn out beater. Newest are 18 years old, oldest are 28...

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Classic car!

Not buying it.

Well, at least it's not a disposable $h!box, like a Toyota..

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Classic car!

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Not buying it.

Perfect hot rod fodder - and people will buy it for that.

C'mon Satty, face the reality, people love these cars even if you don't.

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Also not just the GN's but RWD G bodies in general are becoming sort of classics, especially Monte Carlo SS' and the Aero coupes. Hell even K cars are beginning to develop a following.

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Follow the prices and it becomes obvious, the G-bodies,F-bodies,and Fox bodies are all gaining value.

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A 41k original Toyota $h!box in pristine condition can only muster 2k after 41 bids.

Once a $h!box, always a $h!box.

ANY RWD GM or Ford from the same year in that condition would be big bucks by comparison.

That's how you define collectible and classic.

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AS I see it; maintaining a good condition '90s vehicle is all well & good (WRT future possible collectibles), but the nature of this era makes full-scale restorations prohibitive or impossible. The electronics & the sheer volume of time-sensitive plastics (with no aftermarket repro) makes it a formidable job compared to -say- a '66 Chevelle.

I also don't see many 3rd gen F-bodies on the road, tho I have spotted a number 'parked for future projects'. ;)

I cannot recall the prices, but in a discussion w/ my brother, he said both a Prowler & a GNX went for big $$ at BJ.

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>>"I would hazard a guess that cars such as the GTO and G8 GXP among others will probably be abused in the long run and may not fair so well. "<<

This will be like the musclecars of yore: a polarized result. Many will be abused / preventibly wrecked, but the position of these 2 among enthusiasts is well-known : some will be babied & saved with regards for the future. Those that are used as regular transportation until their life is over will be the minority.

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Most G8 GXPs are likely to be preserved, the GTs won't fare as well. Many GTOs are already ruined by their owners.

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There's a beautiful black GTO 5.7L across from my M-I-L in the inner city. Usually parked on the street, the owner dotes on it. I talked to him last year- he was going to ship it to TX and have a PMD 455 powertrain installed, but hasn't as of yet. It's a beaut.

You are right- many will die hard & too early, but these are not mainstream 4-dr sedans; I guarantee you a (minority) percentage will be babied & preserved. Prying them out of their owner's fingers... and when, is another question.

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...especially now with Pontiac's demise.

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There's a beautiful black GTO 5.7L across from my M-I-L in the inner city. Usually parked on the street, the owner dotes on it. I talked to him last year- he was going to ship it to TX and have a PMD 455 powertrain installed, but hasn't as of yet. It's a beaut.

You are right- many will die hard & too early, but these are not mainstream 4-dr sedans; I guarantee you a (minority) percentage will be babied & preserved. Prying them out of their owner's fingers... and when, is another question.

Agreed completely.

As for when to do the prying, I suspect that the optimal time would be very soon.

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