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RWD & AWD Throwaways/FWD Keepers

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Basically, our attitude and unwritten rule here is that front-drive cars are throwaways, while rear-drive is the greatest thing since sliced bread. But let's flip it for a second. I'm sure plenty of us can think of front-drive cars that are absolute jewels to drive and own for a lifetime, while there are plenty of cars that may put power to the rear wheels, but are complete wastes of road. So let's name some off... The only rules: -If it's already been named, don't put it on your own list (this keeps the clutter down) -All entries are open to dispute (e.g. "You can always swap that V-6 out of that Mustang and slip in a 351 for the dragstrip") Go. RWD/AWD throwaways: -Ford Granada/Mercury Monarch/Lincoln Versailles (the first generation, pre-Fox)--you replace the great, the beautiful Maverick and Comet with THAT? -Subrau XT6--emphatically NOT sexy -AMC Eagle--lifted for basically no reason at all. -Anything with an Olds Diesel--nuff said. -Mazda GLC--it would be a different story if it had a decent engine. FWD keepers: -Chrysler turbo K-cars--as long as they have sticks, a gasoline turbo is always worth it. And if you properly tune the suspension, you're golden. -80s Ford Escort GTs--I always found them pretty cool myself. -Toyota Corolla FX16--looks good enough, but the 4AGE engine puts it over the top. I turn it over to you for now.... Edited by LosAngeles
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RWD Throwaways
Toyota Cressida
1984MY Pontiac Fiero
Cadillac Catera

FWD Keepers
'94+ G-Bodies
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RWD/AWD throwaways: Ford Pinto and Mercury Bobcat Chevrolet Chevette FWD keepers: Honda Prelude Gen3, 4, 5 Acura Integra Gen1
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RWD Throwaways
Chevette (though with today's technology, that would be an awesome package.)
Dodge Aspen
Just about any RWD Lexus (if I want a Benz, I'll buy one, thank you very much)

FWD Keepers
Cobalt (Did any of you think I wouldn't mention this?)
Intrigue
all Auroras
98-up Seville
the last Eldorado
Bonneville GXP
and my token Japanese entry, the TL.
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RWD Throwaways
1984MY Pontiac Fiero


I'm sure blackviper will be along shortly to beat you over the head. :P


FWD Keepers:

Vauxhall Astra VXR
Nissan Altima SE-R
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I'm sure blackviper will be along shortly to beat you over the head. :P

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No he won't. He'll just kill more cats. :P :lol:

Plus, I doubt he will care too much about 84. If you say 88 GT or Formula, he'll be in action. Edited by ToniCipriani
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Nah... I agree with the 84 Fiero comments. 88 Formula or GT is different story. RWD Trash: Ford Panther Sedans FWD Jewelry: Pontiac Grand Prix GXP (read C&D's review and you'll know what I mean.)
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RWD Throwaways
Toyota Cressida
1984MY Pontiac Fiero
Cadillac Catera


Gotta disagree:
-Cressidas pack great sixes (shared with Supras), the 5MGE from 82-88, and the 7MGE from 89-92.
-I'll give you an 84 left stock, but you can still kit it.
-It's hard for me to consider Omega-based cars useless...and that Ecotec V-6 was never really explored (maybe Steinmetz would have somethign to say about that?)
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RWD/AWD throwaways:

Ford Pinto and Mercury Bobcat
Chevrolet Chevette

FWD keepers:
Honda Prelude Gen3, 4, 5
Acura Integra Gen1

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Wait a minute....the Pinto 2.0/2.3 four was buildable...the basis for the 80s turbo Fords and the almighty Cosworth. I once went to a musclecar parts shop and saw a built Pinto four with a blower stacked on top of its intake.

What about the second-generation Prelude? Si Hondas were always straight with me. As are ALL Integras.
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RWD Throwaways
Dodge Aspen
Just about any RWD Lexus


Oh, come on....

There's nothing crappy about any rear-drive Lexi. Even a '90 LS400 is still beutiful to this day, plus there's still potential in that V-8. Not to mention they have bodykits for them in Japan.

And I have three words for rear-drive Chryslers: Viper crate motor.

Besides, I think Aspen/Volare coupes and wagons don't look half-bad.

FWD Keepers
98-up Seville

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What are 93-97 N* Sevilles, chopped liver?
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FWD keeper
97-03 Grand Prix GTP

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I'd think as long as you had a 3.8, you're all good....you could always find a blower at a junkyard, and even then, an NA version is buildable.
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RWD Trash:
Ford Panther Sedans

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Even the Marauder?

Town Cars are cool for lowrider/DUB cruiser duty.
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Gotta disagree:
-Cressidas pack great sixes (shared with Supras), the 5MGE from 82-88, and the 7MGE from 89-92.
-I'll give you an 84 left stock, but you can still kit it.
-It's hard for me to consider Omega-based cars useless...and that Ecotec V-6 was never really explored (maybe Steinmetz would have somethign to say about that?)

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I'm merely considering how they existed in production. Cressidas were very inglorious-looking until the last few years. Those, I can appreciate actually, so I'll modify my response to pre-'89 (I guess) Cressidas.

Fieros catch fire.

The Catera was pretty useless in the first years especially. They're odd, filled with counterintuitive buttons, and ding weirdly for random reasons. However, the restyle made them look nice and damnit, the Steinmetz was indeed hot. The 3.0l stock version was totally 'meh'.

I'm going to throw this down now:

AWD Throwaways
Toyota Matrix/Pontiac Vibe - not only a horrible engine (1.8l), but an even more gutless version in AWD versions. What gives? 120-some whopping horsepower - watch out Aerio!

Gotta disagree:
Even the Marauder?

Town Cars are cool for lowrider/DUB cruiser duty.


Especially the Marauder. Still porky with casino boat handling. Mercury even admitted by the numbers that the 8 year-old Impala SS outclassed it. Plus, it had the exact same interior as a Crown Vic LX Sport except a floor shifter, drab plastic trim, and dopey PepBoys guages mounted low on the center stack for unknown reasons.

Grand Marquis is just...yeah.

Crown Vic is cool...for cops.

Town Car is about a decade behind the 2000 DeVille in style and technology.
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Oh, come on. You people have probably never even owned a Chevette.

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Unless you import a European engine for racing, I have to disagree....and the first-gen is just nasty-lookin'...
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I'd think as long as you had a 3.8, you're all good....you could always find a blower at a junkyard, and even then, an NA version is buildable.

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As long as its not an SE, especially with the ugly front.
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I'm merely considering how they existed in production. Cressidas were very inglorious-looking until the last few years. Those, I can appreciate actually, so I'll modify my response to pre-'89 (I guess) Cressidas.

I still find decent style in those 80's Cresses....the sharp lines lent well to loweruing and adding some wheels....plus again with the engine and independent supenseion...also there was a lot of good luxury equipment for the buck. The only snag was how they seemed to be overall packaged to market to old men....

AWD Throwaways
Toyota Matrix/Pontiac Vibe - not only a horrible engine (1.8l), but an even more gutless version in AWD versions. What gives? 120-some whopping horsepower - watch out Aveo!

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Yeah, too bad it didn't get the Celica GTS engine. And the Matrix is the Vibe's ugly twin....the Tercel tall wagon revisited.
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Crown Vic is cool...for cops.

Town Car is about a decade behind the 2000 DeVille in style and technology.

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The Crown Vic is pretty difficult to defend. One could see bringing it to a 98 and up, but it just has a stance that doesn't lend very well to things like big wheels and all those things that make Caprices look beautiful.

Town Cars from 90 on up can be made to look great...it ain't for the dragstrip, but it has its merits for nights on the town.....
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As long as its not an SE, especially with the ugly front.

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My cousin somehow made an SE work, even with the stock wheels.
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Thought of some more:

RWD Throwaway:

Chrysler 300 with the 2.7 V6

FWD Keeper:

Volkswagen GTI

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I'd say about all Golfs with sticks are worth the trouble. I remember a crew that built up a bunch of A1s, and would likely spank any A2 and up GTI out there....

I co-sign on the base 300, and add the base Magnum.
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RWD throwaways ? They have been crushing them for decades the list is huge, how about the Chevelibu, at one time they polluted the highways like Civics and Preludes did 10 years ago. But then that makes them good cars right ? FWD keepers - Cord, G1/2 Toronado, G1/2 Eldorado, Saab's including Sonnett, Auroras, Intrigues, any 3.8 powered post 86 Buick/Oldsmobile C, H, E and W, how simple is that. All rice is disposable road kill
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Many of the last generation of K-Car descendants (before the LH's and the Cloud Cars arrived) were actually pretty decent automobiles. I'm talking about the Dodge Spirit, Plymouth Acclaim & Shadow, Chrysler LeBaron, etc. Roomy, decent power for their time, pretty reliable, and, when things do break, they're dirt cheap to fix. Shadows were really hot little cars in their day; they could be ordered with a V6 and 5-Speed Manual. Other FWD keepers: -Nissan Altima. They may be ugly and small (by today's standards), but they're tough cars. The Altima's predecessors, the Stanza and Axxess Van, are tough, too, but are becoming difficult to find. Nevertheless, something about a van with a stickshift intrigues me. :D -Any Toyota made between 1992 and 1996. Those were the best years for Toyota, and, ever since then, they've been riding on their reputation. -Ford Probe/Mazda MX-6 was a good performance car for its time. Watch out for crappy body integrity and biodegradable exhaust systems, though. The only RWD/AWD throwaway I can think of right now (gimme a break, it's 11:30 PM!) would be pretty much any Subaru more than 10 years old. They aren't bargain priced to begin with, deliever weak performance, and are a nightmare to service and repair because many independant garages won't touch 'em... Which means you have to go to the dealer. Cha-ching!
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More: worthwhile fronties: -Neons with sticks--get them ready for the compact drags or the parking lot races -Cavalier Z24--untapped potential late 80s Cadillac Seville/Eldo/89-93 de Ville/Fleetwood--the V-8s of that period still make me curious...but hey, you can always trade up to the Northie (can they fit, however?) -Suzuki Swift GTi crappy rear-drives: -The first Mazda 929--I just can't be convinced. -70s Mercedes--the look just doesn't do it for me....neither do the engines -70s/80s SLs--why were these cool in the 80s again? -Fiat/Triumph/MG roadsters (US market)--electrics, tinny bodies, what is there to like? Edited by LosAngeles
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