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2021 GMC Sierra Elevation crew cab / 6.5' bed. 3.0L DuraMax / 10-spd.   It's only money.

This whole crossover craze has gone a bit too far....

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25 minutes ago, Robert Hall said:

Which is why I've driven Grand Cherokees for over 20 years instead of Wranglers.  I've ridden in and test driven several Wranglers over the years, and think they would be fun for weekend use if I was really, really into off-roading.  But I find them too loud, harsh and cramped as a daily driver.

Every time I ride in Wrangler of any year, I feel like a bobblehead with palsy. Would never, in a million years own one with my back and hip problems. 

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Every time I ride in Wrangler of any year, I feel like a bobblehead with palsy. Would never, in a million years own one with my back and hip problems. 

Yes, bouncy ride.  With my back I'd be in a world of pain if I had to commute any distance in one.  I recall riding in one for with friends on I-70 in Colorado from Denver to the mountains about 15 years ago--was about an '03-04 vintage-- with the soft top on we had to yell at each other to talk...so loud at 70 mph.   After a couple hours it got really tiring.  I'm sure the newer ones are better (esp. w/ a hard top on) but probably not that much.

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I'll add this here- back around '17 when we bought the '11 Liberty for my son, I was shocked to see a couple Wranglers on the lot for $42K. As crude and youth-freindly as they are, I assumed they were more like $25K. 

I forgot- I drove a Wrangler as a plow truck one winter maybe 8 yrs ago, (it had poor traction) but that's hardly any indicator of on-road comfort or anything.

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11 minutes ago, Robert Hall said:

Yes, bouncy ride.  With my back I'd be in a world of pain if I had to commute any distance in one.  I recall riding in one for with friends on I-70 in Colorado from Denver to the mountains about 15 years ago--was about an '03-04 vintage-- with the soft top on we had to yell at each other to talk...so loud at 70 mph.   After a couple hours it got really tiring.  I'm sure the newer ones are better (esp. w/ a hard top on) but probably not that much.

From what I understand, they still have the same problems with wind and noise. Just a hard no for such a niche vehicle that routinely prices over $40K.

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5 minutes ago, A Horse With No Name said:

Again, I am convinced Bronco will be much better. 

I have no doubt about that. I would take one over a Wrangler any day.

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Independent front suspension will make the Bronco 100 times better on-road. It might not be 100% the Wrangler off road but 95% would still be great. 

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I do like the smell of freshly mown grass... been very gray and rainy today, yard guys finally made it out at 6:30. 

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37 minutes ago, Robert Hall said:

Speaking of the Bronco, an NE Ohio Ford dealer posted on FB one they got in for training...

 

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Two door is the way I would go (and the V6). Who knows? Maybe one year I can swing a $40K splurge. For now, I'll just have to enjoy the lunchbox (what I call my Flex).

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2 hours ago, Robert Hall said:

Speaking of the Bronco, an NE Ohio Ford dealer posted on FB one they got in for training...

 

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That is a very Sharp looking SUV and way better looking than the Wrangler IMHO.

As one who owned a 1994 Jeep Wrangler Sahara Edition in Green, it was cool at first, then the noise became a pain and eventually the repairs. Traded it in as the only time I did within the same year for my 1994 GMC Suburban. So much better than the wrangler.

World longest walking suspension bridge just opened. Very cool!!!

 

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11 minutes ago, David said:

That is a very Sharp looking SUV and way better looking than the Wrangler IMHO.

As one who owned a 1994 Jeep Wrangler Sahara Edition in Green, it was cool at first, then the noise became a pain and eventually the repairs. Traded it in as the only time I did within the same year for my 1994 GMC Suburban. So much better than the wrangler.

World longest walking suspension bridge just opened. Very cool!!!

 

That bridge is a...200.gif ...for me

 

Beautiful but my vertigo will simply not allow me to do that.

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1 hour ago, surreal1272 said:

That bridge is a...200.gif ...for me

 

Beautiful but my vertigo will simply not allow me to do that.

 

Vertigo must suck!

Another form of vertigo that sucks just to say I sympathize with you.  I dont know how me posting this sucky U2 song sympathizes with you, just go with it...

 

I dont suggest you listen and/or view to the next couple of  songs because of your vertigo...

 

 

And this next U2 song, one could say I was numb to your vertigo condition. In revenge, you could think I was the one sitting down instead of The Edge and you were the one torturing  me for being insensitive to you...

 

 

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2 hours ago, surreal1272 said:

That bridge is a...200.gif ...for me

 

Beautiful but my vertigo will simply not allow me to do that.

I can totally respect that! My mom has fear of High places and Vertigo and she says when she is near places like this bridge, she feels it is sucking her down to the floor far below on top of all the other things she feels.

She simply cannot understand my love of high places, edges, etc.

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Random thought: a blast from the past ...

A Challenger seen in a parking lot in a small town in the hot and dusty Central Valley of California while on a late 2013 road trip from Portland to SoCal and back up.

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16 hours ago, surreal1272 said:

I have no doubt about that. I would take one over a Wrangler any day.

It would drive much better and be much more reliable and fuel efficient I think. 

7 hours ago, David said:

I can totally respect that! My mom has fear of High places and Vertigo and she says when she is near places like this bridge, she feels it is sucking her down to the floor far below on top of all the other things she feels.

She simply cannot understand my love of high places, edges, etc.

Ride amotorcycle across the Mackinaw bridge in Michigan...

9 hours ago, balthazar said:

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I love fried chicken, but what's that ugly Toyota doing out front of the chicken joint? (Horse ducks wrench thrown into the stable...)

13 hours ago, Robert Hall said:

Speaking of the Bronco, an NE Ohio Ford dealer posted on FB one they got in for training...

 

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I love it in black, if I ever traded my black Ranger in....

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8 hours ago, David said:

I can totally respect that! My mom has fear of High places and Vertigo and she says when she is near places like this bridge, she feels it is sucking her down to the floor far below on top of all the other things she feels.

She simply cannot understand my love of high places, edges, etc.

It is not a fun thing. I love hiking but I am very selective when it comes to vantage points. Sometimes its not so bad and other times, it damn near paralyzes me. There is no middle ground with it.

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8 hours ago, David said:

I can totally respect that! My mom has fear of High places and Vertigo and she says when she is near places like this bridge, she feels it is sucking her down to the floor far below on top of all the other things she feels.

She simply cannot understand my love of high places, edges, etc.

My Mom and Dad were like that.  In 1998 when they visited me in Colorado, they didn't enjoy the ride I took them on winding mountain roads w/ steep drop-offs on the sides and no guardrails, or walking over the Royal Gorge suspension bridge... 

I like funiculars and going up in gondolas/cable cars/etc as long as they are enclosed.  Something open like a ski lift where I'm sitting in the open with my feet exposed kind of freaks me out...

 

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No one will ever convince me that the current gen Durango is not just a taller Magnum. durango.jpg.2c686a29e269dc2a9df6bfe76711f5b1.jpg 

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For the record, I got really bored at 1AM and decided to confirm for myself and import the top image into Photoshop have a little fun. Everything there is pure Durango except where I cropped off the top and angled the rear profile down to resemble the Magnum profile. Even the nose is all Durango, just pinched. Looks spot on like a Charger. It's not a perfect conversion overall but you get the idea. They screwed up not giving the Magnum at least one more generation IMO. Imagine a Hellcat Magnum AWD! I know I can (and yes, I am 10000% aware of my personal bias here).

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