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Hey, check out this photo I just found of the front of the base model.

Early mock up.

rumor has it GM wanted to go with this design but was afraid of being seen as too conservative as with previous redesigns

Now if our own country were only this good at prosecuting fraud and wrongdoing.

How much 'Satan' was put in the 101-HP/2.33 axled base car? :D

More than the Nautilus and less than the Navigator?

NOW WITH MOISTURIZING STRIP TO KEEP YOUR MANLY MOUNTAIN MAN MOUSTACHE TRIMMED AND TIDY

best in class payload for bigly american sized male insecurities

Definitely has 4 wheel drums, but I drove this same model car for 25,000 miles as a daily with the (manual) drums, and I hammered on that car hard- no problems with the brakes. Not Buick-level drums, but pretty good/never an issue. No one who hasn't driven such a car will agree with that, of course- only discs could possibly stop a car. Or so I'm told. I have a set of Pontiac aluminum drums that would fit this, too.

Still working, but moved onto Depeche Mode!

France would be wise to privatize Renault stat.

That would kill the economy. What percentage of consumer goods are imported? Pretty high I think...

*waits for German comparison*

Wife has spent time reading the web site for Rivian and while not a total fan of the Emoji front end, loves the rest of the truck especially the storage section with the doors acting as steps to also get into the bed. She loves the interior and says she would be happy with this as a daily driver and for allowing her to do her gardening and runs to Home Depot. Between now and production, be interesting to see what else comes out.

Friday, working on my project that is due next Wednesday the 12th. I am on PTO starting the 15th, so gotta get this done. Have music on in the back ground, rocking and computing to: ?

MOAR...

On a more positive Mustang note...this driver and car both Rock!

I gots yer 'Satan' right here.

Apparently enough that its progeny have issues leaving car shows.

That's a front end I can get behind.

....and failed for decades to solve them. Cue Lucy, Charlie Brown, and Football.

True, true...my childhood hometown down the river from there (Steubenville) lost a ton of mill jobs in the 70s, never recovered and has maybe 1/2 of it's population left today. Same story anywhere that a city has a dying, old-economy industry as it's main employer(s) and doesn't diversify.

2020 Chevy Silverado HD breaks heavy-duty truck styling tradition More like breaks mirrors.

this is the 2023 refresh. no one tell GM i hacked their files to get this. i remember what nasa did to that one dude from the uk who got that flying saucer .jpg

Yeah, I am going to miss the Impy...It has hands down my favorite designs-simple and classy. And nice to ride in too.... Sad because this will be the last time we will see the impy or the Taurus and cars slowly fade.... That being said-do I risk getting my first new car in 14 years before the $h! hits the fan? I have been preparing, But I am still not sure just how bad the damage will be this time. While my job is steady, still makes me wonder......

Maybe because GM and Ford are not part of very large conglomerates, well-shielded from imports in the domestic market. It is easy to forget that Hyundai/KIA are part of a larger Korean chaebol that can push something to the nth degree because Hyundai is SO WELL protected at home and is a larger conglomerate than GM ever was (even in the 1950s). In Korea, Hyundai makes all sorts of consumer products that GM has not made since GM sold off Frigidaire years ago. Some Koreans are very loyal to Hyundai or Samsung or LG back in South Korea. Because of that (Japan has this too), it is very easy to take on risks that a smaller, less diversified corporation like GM or Ford simply do not take.

I prolly posted this before, but the Mustang racers reminded me of it. That's a Ferrari 2+2 V-12, and it was only ONE QUARTER of ONE SECOND faster than the '65 Catalina 2+2 421 on a 2 minute lap. "The Ferrari lapped faster than the Pontiac by a very small margin. I'd say that this was due to somewhat better handling and a little bit to its brakes, The limited slip was good, but I wouldn't say it was any better. Of course, it didn't have the work to do that the Pontiac's did. I don't think the Ferrari would be quite as good in the rain as the Pontiac, but that's largely because of the disc brakes- disc brakes are generally pretty poor in the rain until they're hot." Ferrari : 3430 lbs, 300 HP 242 CI V12, 415 TRQ, 4-spd manual, 4.25 axle, 1/4 mile: 14.6 @ 97 Pontiac : 4155 lbs, 376 HP 421 CI V8, 461 TRQ, 4-spd manual, 3.42 axle, 1/4 mile: 13.8 @ 106

Is it anti-American to pay your taxes? Instead of paying for an American made product whose company and workers pay US taxes, US wages and comply with US employment laws, you pay a TARIFF to buy a product whose manufacturer pay no US taxes, no US wages and comply with no US laws. I think that's fair. Who is dramatically reducing your choices? You can buy all the imports you want; it just won't cost less than US made stuff. What is not fair is to have US taxes, US wages and US laws which result in that iPhone being $1000 if made in the USA, and at the same time having no tariff so you can buy it for $500 from some Foxconn factory in China which pays no US taxes, no US wages and comply with no US laws! How is that ever going to work anyway? On one hand you want a high standard of wages, benefits and safety for American workers which then causes American made stuff to be more expensive. On the other hand, you want to allow companies to make the same product in another country without the high wages, benefits and safety for a lot less and sell it in the USA with no tariff? No wonder we send over $800 billion -- more than we ever spent on Defense, Education or Infrastructure -- overseas every year more than we bring in! It's time to forget the "Free Trade is Great" nonsense the media and your stupid professors have been selling you for decades, and wake up to Common Sense!

My only experience driving cars w/ 4 wheel drum brakes (non-power) were driving my folks' '67 & '68 Cougars in the late 80s-early 90s. Both are strangely equipped for Cougars--only option being an AM radio on each. 289 2bbl in the '67, 302 2bbl in the '68. 4 wheel drum brakes, manual steering, 3spd manuals. Drove them around hilly E. Ohio area around the family farm and through various small towns, local state routes, no freeways. My Dad and Mom loved driving them, but I found them very awkward w/ the drum brakes, heavy steering, lack of seat or steering wheel adjustment, etc. Their 3rd '68 Cougar (a '68 XR-7 w/ automatic and 390 4bbl, power steering, front disk brakes) was more pleasant to drive.

Nautilus stars at about $40k. The Aviator seems to be very well equipped at even the base levels, so $50k sounds about right for a starting price though I won't be surprised if it is higher to even $59k. That would be slightly higher than the $49k the MKT starts at.

So true, companies have to respond to stay alive and while people might not like it, it is not the governments role to force companies to keep jobs alive. It is their role to diversify the economy and look at ways to improve the overall quality of life in the city that they are responsible for with the basics of security, fire, medical, roads, schools. Make it a inviting multi-cultural place that is desirable to live with benefits for companies to setup shop and you can forget worrying about one company destroying the city. I remember when Seattle in the mid 70's had signs all over that said, last person leaving turn off the lights during the big downturn in Boeing and Weyerhaeuser lumber. Pretty much until Microsoft opened and John Fluke expanded, those two companies is what most worked for and when the jobs / layoffs started, plenty of people lost homes and were scared about providing for their families. I can understand and relate to it as my dad went through it and I remember my mom going to the food bank. It was rough, but we survived and dad started his own business repairing cars much cheaper than the local mechanics charged.

Oh look who's back!

Maybe you can get the Taurus of the future from Total Recall

I've written way too many work memos that would have never flown if I had used shortcuts and colloquialisms so I tend not to write that way. I probably don't speak that way, either, but, every now and then, it's cathartic to be crude and crass. It's also a good idea to put forth another persona if you choose to ride public transit, which can be eye opening and entertaining. I recommend some of those YouTubes featuring altercations on public transit ... highly politically incorrect, too. Colorado plates point to a dry cold, hence no rust that I can see. Nice sled. The big downside can be that it might have front drum brakes, which just don't shed the water that well.

Oh shit; exactly what I would do whenever I may move back to a car AT (After Trucks) - a vintage ride in good shape, OD trans, completely gone trhu mechanically, A/C, 27K original miles, 389 CI, CO car, clean as a whistle for a daily driver. Someone #GoFundMe :

Corporate Debt at 9 trillion is going to spank a few companies pretty hard.

No, I think @dfelt was thanking me for posting the alert.

Albertson Oldsmobile, corner of Sepulveda and Washington, on L.A.'s West Side. Drove past it daily when commuting to college. My parents also bought 2 new cars here. Before we were ever customers of Albertson, Dolores's had the corner. Eventually the dealership modernized and took over Dolores's property at the corner. Dolores had modernized in the meantime, too. Normal people lived in this neighborhood. People could purchase their homes. Per the funky thing at the right, the Albertson license plate placard said "Home of the famous Red Rocket" until you were sent your license plates by the DMV. This was after we moved away. I found this. And I did know they went from Oldsmobile, to Oldsmobile-Chevrolet, and then to just Chevrolet. And then they closed altogether. However, the foreign brand dealerships in the area remained. That's why it's hard to go back to my old neighborhood and look around. So many of the institutions I grew up with aren't there anymore. Frank Sanders Oldsmobile - corner of Wilshire and La Brea (yes, think "tar pits"). Look at their billboard with the floodlights hearkening to 20th Century Fox! Too funny. That was on the placard until you got your plates. Our next door neighbors bought their Cutlass Supreme here. We weren't keeping up with the Joneses ... my parents just wanted a Cutlass Supreme as well, as did everyone else. This photo was taken in 1976. Check out the Regal of the same year by the curb and the massive Ninety Eight Regency coupe in silver/burgundy in their service drive. Look beyond in the distance and see Carnation. Yes, that was their headquarters until they were acquired or merged. On a different note, I watched "Midnight Run" for the first time last night. It was insanely funny. One of my friends who is mad about gangster movies brought it over. I will have to watch it again.

That is why I like it is the super clean front end and not an overkill crazy grill like you see on the Lexus or so many others. Very clean, love the daytime running strip and how it is used to indicate recharge. The vertical are the actual headlights, lower for regular lights, upper section for high beams. Clean distinct and different from the rest of the auto industry and the craziness of large grills they have done. This view really does remind me of a Smiling Emoji!