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I'm just going to enjoy it as a movie and not over analyze it... I know it's not a documentary. There have been plenty of those over the years, along w/ books. Going to see it in my local theater w/ the huge reclining assigned seats, THX sound and big screen will be fun.

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So...a GIF like this appropriate then? @USA-1 In pics, that front end looks bulky. Lost in translation happens with pictures. True true. That GPS front lifting memory feature is awesome. Corvette engineers thought of many things to cater to those finicky exotic car owners. They did their homework... EDIT @Robert Hall Barrett J happens just before XMAS or right about New Years Day, right? The Montreal Show is mid January... You cant go then...I cant just retreat that GIF...I NEED to see the C8 before you...

Purist's will always be upset with change. The aftermarket guys are already blowing minds with C8 add on's. It will be great to see the C8 and Z06 next year as well as "Zora" in the near future rip the hater trolls to shreds and take euro exotics down at a fraction of their cost. Heck the BASE C8 Stingray is already on par with many foreign mid engine exotics. I can't wait to see what the AWD Hypercar C8 Zora 5.5L TT 850hp flat plane crank V8 mid ship and 200hp dual traction motors in front. Bring it Europe! ??? https://www.topspeed.com/cars/chevrolet/2020-chevrolet-c8-corvette-zr1-ar165292.html

Ive been on youtube and several automotive sites searching for ANY C8 content. Ive also read hundreds if not thousands of comments on those sites and videos regarding the C8 I found out that the majority of people all over the world (And yeah...Ive listened to GERMAN youtube videos, and Ive read GERMAN comments...google translate for the comments but I have NO clue what the videos said...) That the C8 is MOSTLY well perceived. Fans from all kinds of types of vehicles applaud GM for having the balls to switch to mid-engine for the Corvette. A vocal minority, but big numbers just the same just wished that GM kept the Corvette front engined the way it was. Most comments liked the C8's exterior looks. Most comments were about it looked BETTER than the other mid-engined exotics out there. Trolls on US content commented how it looked like an Acura NSX or it was a Walmart Ferrari. I do not think the German comments were trolly, but it was fairly even split between the German folk liking the exterior looks, better than the C7 and C6 or those that liked the C8 but find the looks to be more European and that was a set back because at least the C7 and C6 had American styling design (same with the placement of the engine, these folk applauded the mid-engine effort but stated that the Corvette lost its specialness by being Front engined RWD) and those that hated it because it reminded them too much of a Ferrari design. But many many many comments were how before they would NEVER consider a Corvette, but the C8 won them over. Price and performance with that mid-engine layout being the reasons given. Some said...(who knows if they really own a 911 or Ferrari) that they would now ditch their German and Italian rides for the Corvette C8. On the interior....hands down...comments were about how much better it looks and seems to be than previous generations. However, in the German comments, there were some trolls that called the Corvette American junk and that it will never hold a candle to a 911, BMW, Audi or Mercedces. Just an anecdotal post...take that what you want from this post. Enjoy it or rip me into pieces for it...

We can thank Mr. Jim Perkins, who is now no longer with us, for saving the Corvette from the bean counters at GM in the late 90's. Neat write up at C&D. https://www.caranddriver.com/features/a21052428/how-the-chevrolet-corvette-was-saved-from-extinction-twice-feature/

If Cadillac had an interior like that in an Escalade, Cadillac could raise the base price of an Escalade by at least $30,000 to $50,000 from where it is right now. Too bad Cadillac will NOT do that. Car/CUV interiors still matter.

Clearing out C7 inventory is more important than the 40 day strike. I suspect that the strike hurt other GM operations MORE than the resulting 90 day delay on the C8 Corvette.

Toyota currently uses at least 3 other manufacturer's platforms: Mazda for the Yaris Subaru for the 86 BMW for the Supra Must keep the parts departments busy.

Thank you! Exactly my point. It seems @oldshurst442 have difficulty understanding that.

@oldshurst442 Again nobody claims it is a documentary and the points you made are not that significant, it probably was a number of reasons why Ferrari did what he did. Also, MotorTrend review points out to many inaccuracies too. My point was that according to the first reviews (not just from Motor Trend) the movie should be great, it tells the overall story very well and it is a great racing movie. Also, the simple fact remains that a simple "chicken farmer" kicked Ferrari's @ss.

The next 6-cylinder from FCA will be a turbocharged inline 6.

You must not have exposed them to enough Helix or Honeymoon Suite when they were younger.

Oh...yes they are. Some are. Some are not. But...tell you one thing. Even with today's cleaner cars, leave your car running in a closed environment and see how you fair and then come and tell me that emission laws are overboard. Catalytic converters and technology have come a long way since the 1970s. When push comes to shove...automakers WILL find a solution. When left alone....chaos ensues. Hell, chaos ensues when there are rules. A famous saying in NASCAR ...Tom Petty...oops..Richard Petty, (RIP TOM)...said if you aint cheatin', you aint tryin' THIS is regarding rules and regulations when in place and anarchy STILL ensues. When no laws and regulations exist, all hell breaks loose. And this is the kind of mind set that Detroit...and Wolfsburg go by. Not a good thing for you and me, buddy.

Basically what he said. I try to be aware of my biases, even wrote some thoughts on it a few years back - https://contradictoryenigmas.tumblr.com/post/154206882939/bias-creep-redux

This Jeep FC double cab at SEMA is pretty cool..

Pretty boring stuff in this thread, fer sher. And to think it was a brainchild of mine. *shrugs*

Seems like it shouldn’t matter.

Never mind... *SIGH* my post was stolen by Bob...beat me to it by mere seconds...

Im actually older than you. 46. I dont drink or eat in my car either. My kids on the other hand...different story.

Lol well I'm 43 and pretty fit but ok...? And no the cup holders haven't always been great especially in the C5, but I don't eat or drink in my Vette other than water in a bottle at times. Gettin' old ya old Canuck!

Not very many are going to 'race' towards EVs that cost 2-3 times what IC vehicles cost. $30,000 buys a LOT of fuel, and for years to come.

Cheap oil AND low taxes on gasoline. Most of the world taxes petroleum and its distillates much higher than we do here in the USA. When US gas prices mirror European gas prices, the USA will almost certainly race towards pure EVs.

Purists. Haters. The C8 looks the part. Love it or hate it, it speaks the mid-engine super car language. On all levels. It aint as elegant in the frontal area as say...the Ferrari 458, the car that it was benched mark after in the looks department and in the engineering driving and handling characteristics. Or the new McLaren GT which resembles it a little. The Ferrari 488 and the F8 Tributo do seem to be more refined looks wise than the C8. But then again, the Vette is NOT supposed have refined lines. But aggressive ones. And the C8 certainly does have that. The rear. The rear does seem unnecessarily busy., I myself wished it was more "refined" and smoothed over. But then again, the rear does need to have some sort of trunk to fit the targa top and the dumb golf bags that the Vette faithful so cherish... Who am I to declare war on the rear? I am not a buyer of Corvette. Not now. Not in the near future. But past, current and future Vette buyers required and require that... But, Ive also listened to Tadge Juechter and his staff speak about how and why they chose those design elements in the car, and HE said that that is what the young designers are doing so that design is the future. Along with the necessary engineering requirements... And if you look at the current and future supercar renderings from the exotic makers, you will see similar aggressive design themes that the Corvette C8 has adopted. And FUTURE design elements is the KEY here... So Im good with that. The ONLY thing I wished it had was its quad exhausts were centered like how it all started with the C5. Irony being that I HATED that design element in 1997. But now I WANT it... The "Camaro rear tailights" look good on it. I like them on the C7. I just dont like the black plastic that look like tears on the C7, but on the C8 they are MORE than awesome!!! Performance wise? The Z51 KILLS it. The base base at below 60 grand...like what do you want more? At around 80-90 grand, this machine is the complete package. Minus the brand snobbery. But then again, Corvette has its own awesome brand image. And yes, this is just the beginning. Z06. Hybrid 1000 HP plus variant... I love Ferrari. I love Ford GT (40) I LOVE the Viper. Then there is CORVETTE for me on a whole other level. But I am more of a fullsized and midized muscle car guy.

Seems the reports of only early this year and late last year that battery price per kW would be $187 per kW by 2025 are way off after massive advancements have the battery industry heading to $87 per kW battery pack cost by 2025. https://chargedevs.com/newswire/new-report-cost-and-performance-of-batteries-improving-much-faster-than-forecast/

Interesting auto sales info for the last 5 and half years, clear picture of cars versus trucks/suv/cuv/vans: Full Report here: https://autoalliance.org/economy/light-trucks

Shrek always be hard fit in Corvette or any other little sports car. ? Where is my mighty V Escalade?????????

? Could we not be professional and just wait till the movie comes out and then debate each persons take on the facts of the movie? ?‍♂️

Several heads at UAW upper mgmt. that need to roll, too corrupt anymore. C8 is gorgeous inside and out seen in person and sat in one of three that GM had touring the country and it was very impressive. Porsche and Ferrari guys showed up and were mighty impressed. There will be loyal Corvette owners that will be very happy with the C8 like myself and the Italian and Brit exotic guys will jump in too so it should do very well for the next 5 or 6 decades. I do think GM should still offer a C7 style front engine variant as a base or less expensive model though. Good point! Get the data for us chief! ???

writes: What are you talking about? Mid-engined exotic car owners are not finicky. Where is your proof that mid-engined exotic owners are finicky? I dont buy that at all. You are generalizing and that is a not good when stating your opinions on a car forum. writes: Yeah...I know. Forbes is stating that the car demographic for mid-engined exotics should favor the launch of the C8 due to the fact that.............. Motor Trend did a study of................. Cars and Safety Weekly says that the young Millennials that are to buy the C8................ This @oldshurst442 guy just doesn't get it. writes: Im gonna have fun test driving it no matter what he says. writes: ( on my post) Yes. But I sat in it and well...Im 8 feet 9 inches tall and because its a GM product, I could fit easily in it because its a GM product and the C8 is also mid-engined but a comparable Ferrari...well the Ferrari sucks because Im 8 feet 9 inches tall and I cant fit my oversized legs and torso in the car. To which I write back to all of you: Listen: Alls Im saying is that Chevrolet nearly killed the Corvette program because....... and I hope Chevrolet will find a way to keep its core buyers intact while keeping new buyers happy and I hope they find new secrets of success in making new loyal Corvette buyers for the next 60 years. And...well, its true that the mid-engined crowd's demands are a little different than what Chevrolet knows about the "muscle car" crowd. writes back: What do you mean the muscle car crowd is different.... writes back: Muscle Car Review and Hot Rod Chevy say that............

The heads of the UAW I heard, will eventually be prosecuted for some kind of fraud. One guy resigned in hopes of eliminating his chances of being arrested? Did I hear that correct? Anyway, the C8 looks to be like a fantastic machine. I just hope Chevy could keep customers interested in it for another 60 years. It was a tough sell at times when it was front engined, yet it kept its core buyers intact. But as we all know, the Corvette program was nearly killed of several times in its history, the latest from C4 to the C5 due to waning customers and not making money on it and almost from the C6 to the C7 due to the bankruptcy. Now that its core buyers are conflicted, will it have a fresh new core buyers to keep it going for another 60 years? The mid-engined crowd is a finicky bunch...

wont make it any prettier.

Thanks greedy UAW...

And it seems that YOU dont seem to understand what it is that I am looking for... Ill enjoy the movie...but Ill deem it to be GARBAGE if it lacks the details that make it a REAL HISTORIC BIO-PIC. Its in the little details, for me, when a HISTORIC movie depicting HISTORY in a more or less TRUTHFUL way... Yes, its a movie...based on a real event. It it lacks truth to it...we might as well call it a fantasy and not a historical event. In this case...TWILIGHT the movies would be enjoyed more by me than a false representation of what transpired. But yeah...Siskel and Ebert said that the movie is great. And some blogger on youtube said the Last Jedi is bullshyte because of SJW messages so I got to go by those standards... But I find it funny that we resorted to back hand insults on me when I showed you folk how there really are two opposing facts on this issue. And Im the one that is pushing for a more realistic movie depicting an American hero in a bad light...

Yes, I work at 1st and King Street and walk through Pioneer Square to get to my bus. This Toy was just outside our front doors at 505 First Ave South.

The problem with shopping at local retailers is I'd have to leave the house and deal with crowds, deal with parking lots, etc. Ordering from my phone or computer is so much more efficient for me. Content comes to me, rather than me going out and seeking content. And Prime is great for streaming movies and tv shows. Though I do enjoy trips to Ace Hardware and Home Depot for home stuff and don't mind my local grocery.

I have a weird sentiment on the Alfa Romeo Giulia. Some days I like the car, other days I do not. Side profile reminds me too much of a BMW, and I HATE on BMWs for the most part. But the over all styling of the Giulia is more often sexy to me than not. And I do like the exhaust notes of that turbo 2.9. An inline turbo 6 on a future Giulia will bring it that much closer to mimic a BMW, which I strangely applaud and can get very excited about. *hmmmmm* Great idea indeed to have a TTI6 Giulia. Could I get excited about a possible TTI6 Challenger SRT ACR or Challenger SRT "Wraith" in the near future? I think I can, yes!!!

Well the CX-5 went back to Mazda this morning. I'll have my full review up on Monday, plus possibly my first video review to follow. Next up will be the Hyundai Palisade the week of U.S. Thanksgiving.

Oh stop. Every company goes through these types of cycles. Seemingly nothing for a few years and then BAM! Ten new models in two years.

Everyone has some biases, and automotive journalists have them to some degree too. But to say that car magazines choose one car over another just because of advertising money or some hidden payouts I think is just wrong.

I don't think we have many dirt bike riders here, but I guess we'll see.

Urea injection doesn't do either of those things.

QX50 was last year. QX30 was two years before that.

guys...

If you think so, you should definitely call me out on it, and @William Maley too. I'm not saying that all writers do it, but there are some pretty clear biases out there.

Most of the development occurred in the UK, and after Shelby got involved--- two years into the program--- he was flying back and forth from LA to the UK and occasionally to Detroit...weekly..(the facility was in an airport hangar at Heathrow, I believe)... from the book, IIRC.

eh... they clearly have their favorites. It's obvious when excuses are made for certain brands that are criticisms of others.

I call bullsh!t on anybody saying magazines are biased toward sponsorship. Maybe I'm ignorant but I believe there are too many writers/editors who have enough pride and respect in their work to just write something they don't believe in.

Since I don't have Apple Car Play, I just start playing a playlist or album on the app on my phone and stream it to the Jeep head unit over bluetooth or USB..works fine that way. That's got to be unusual being in the Seattle area but not an Amazon customer. I've been using Amazon for 22+ years, Prime for at least 15 years. Get deliveries from them several times a week.

Amazon Music. It's a subscription service like Apple Music or Spotify, but it comes with your Prime account.