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They don’t build ‘good electrics’ because no one buys them. A half dozen hybrids/ ‘low EVs’ have shown conclusively they don’t care to put any real effort into them, and they lose money on every (pitifully few) sale. Consumers know it. Why buy a copy when they can get the original EV vehicle, right? Not to mention that the skateboard concept was invented by General Motors, so they have that cache in-house toward future Cadillac EVs. Daimler doesn’t.

I assume it will be a rebodied Panda Cross... The 4x4 Panda is available with a badazz turbo 0.9L 2 cylinder among other engines..

My bet is they don't have the guts to produce a vehicle that will rival the Jimny for off-road prowess. Suzuki Jimny is a legend.

They delayed 1 EV on sale date. EQ A and EQ B test mules are out there, those are both probably 2021 arrivals as is EQ S. Daimler has a zero emission carbon neutral goal as a company by 2040, that is for cars and factories. So that push is going to come hard. I personally would put EQ C on sale now and see what happens, Mercedes is a better badge than Jaguar or Audi and the EQ C looks better than their vehicle and is priced better than them also. I think it would sell jut fine, and if they only sell 10,000 all year who cares, it is 10,000 people that didn't go somewhere else.

What in the hell does Mercedes total sales versus Tesla have to do with anything? Benz has 19 models to Teslas 3. It damn sure better outsell them. Now show us the number of Mercedes Benz EV sold versus Tesla because it DOES matter, since you are the one bringing up sales numbers yet again, when you think it’s convenient to your goal post moving. And the rate at which the change does matter, just not to you now that you know that Benz is further delaying their EV plans.

But I'm hungry NOW dammit. Don't tease me, bro!

Nah I'm saying Tesla fanbois are a weird lot. I am sure they use harder drugs than their messiah.

Ummmm...NO THEY WONT! Why? Porsche fell very flat on the range part... Only the Porshefiles will buy that the first year and possibly the second year. After that...the Taycan, if Porsche does NOT fix the range part...Tesla will eat its lunch, even with a car that will be approaching a DECADE old...because Tesla has battery packs coming soon that will out perform their old ones... Audi...that EV SUV they got...sold zilch as compared to what Tesla sells as their Model X... and Audi just unlocked some of their battery's capacity JUST to be a tad more competitive in the range department because Tesla is just that much better... https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a30199684/porsche-taycan-ev-range/ The Taycan is the LEAST efficient EV... and of course...the Germans never admit fault nor incompetence... But seeing as their sister company Audi also has shyte EV tech...and still only getting 220 miles on their E-Tron...(yeah...battery safety...my ass), it shoudnt surprise us...that VW is nowhere NEAR being on top of the EV world... There is NO cachet for Porsche and Audi in the EV world... And about EV sales... And about that...like I said about Porsche...only the Porschefiles will buy that, but when a Taycan driver comes up to a 1st generation Model S and gets his ass handed to him in range and in speed....yes...the one from 2012, the Taycan driver will no longer be proud of his "Porsh-uh" As for Cadillac, lets see what GM does in the EV world and what Cadillac does with it BEFORE we have an opinion. The Mustang Mach-E is said to rival Tesla in performance and in range. Just like what Porsche said....we will see what the Mach-E will really do. About Cadillac, we do not know what Cadillac has up its sleeve. GM and Cadillac is REALLY REALLY secretive about that. YOU had doubts on what the Vette C8 would do...well the C8 is here and YOU were surprised yet I...told you ONE YEAR PRIOR what the C8 would be alll about... That Mercedes Formula One road car you were proud... The C8 Z06 will be on sale, the Zora hybrid 900 plus HP C8 will be sold, and that M-B Foprmula One thing will still be a pipe dream... The C8 and ALL of its trims will be making everybody drool, including Tesla fanboys, (The Hybrid C8) and YOU will still be waiting on the Mercedes... Mercedes Benz and its EVs... They are being conservative with their announcements, because THEY KNOW they WONT be able to beat Tesla... They saw how Audi and Jaguar has failed in specs and in sales and now Porsche with specs... Mercedes RETRACTED their launch for 2021... I wouldnt be bashing Cadillac if I were you... But...Im not up-selling Cadillac EVs to you... Im being cautious about what Cadillac EV tech is all about. I know one thing, TESLA has EVERYBODY beat... I know another thing though...I also KNOW that Cadillac and GM will NOT drop the ball on their EVs and especially Cadillac's EVs. They KNOW what is at stake. How I know this... I listened to Autoline Detroit After Hours last Thursday and they had Tadge on speaking for the C8... He is own focused GM engineer. The C8 was one focused sports car. I KNOW Cadillac and GM are FOCUSED for EVs... I KNOW these GM/Cadillac EV engineers are gonna hit it!!!

So their big issue was pricing them too high, like GM did with the Bolt. It clearly isn’t the EV part hence Tesla having no issues with moving them. The other thing to consider is that all Jaguars suck on the sales side of that coin so there is no surprise there. There is also the issue of reliability from Jaguar (spotty at best for decades) and Audi to a slightly lesser extent. Add in the total lack of marketing for both (also the problem with the Bolt). Point here is that it is not just one thing that hurt Audi and Jaguar.

That's not the problem. At audi, for example, the e-tron loses 239 miles of range but charges $30K more over an A4 wagon. It's just not an appealing comparison. Mercedes is in a huge spending contraction, and they know how poor the ROI is on EVs. They can't afford the loss on an EV now- I think the delay is going to be even longer than a year.

Floppage :

Imagine this car comes out, and it's named 'Fleetwood'.

DING DING DING! You are deflecting and it clearly wasn’t a waste of your time or wouldn’t have bothered to reply. You were trolling with some BS and were shown the door on your weak statement. The Silverado in question averages the same price at a dealership as the Bolt Premiere ($42-45K), is their best seller, yet they are offering larger discounts on it than the Bolt. Now where’s the criticism of the business model there? Oh that’s right. It’s an ICE and not and EV so it doesn’t warrant the same criticism from the EV troll. The point here is that your Colorado niche vehicle argument doesn’t fly so, DING DING DING! Your troll statement is pure bunk and the true waste of someone’s time. Seriously. You bitched about EVs being discussed on the Random Thoughts thread and a dedicated thread is made as a result of said bitching. Then, to top it off, you troll said thread at every chance you get. Make up your mind or here’s a thought, stop trolling this thread.

Good grief, they're still waiting for it to fully charge?

there was a camry driver in front/side of me the other day, about that age, weaving all over, driving like badly drunk but likely just they couldn't stay in the lane themselves anymore. I suppose those lane keep assists will help those people. I thought i was going to get hit a few times.

Mercedes outsells Tesla now. Whether it is gas or electric doesn't really matter. Eventually everything will be electric, the rate at which the change happens isn't that important, what matters is that as the change happens car makers have the product people want. Porsche sells various products at over $100k, so they have proven buyer pool that will pay high prices.