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But it will have all wheel drive.

I would consider a 300 over the Charger for one reason: GM will not release a semi-affordable RWD large sedan. GM expects you to pay Cadillac prices for that. SAD.

I agree. There's a lot of bang for the buck there and, with other American car makers peeling back their passenger cars, that might justify that market niche for them. The article applied to both the Challenger and the Charger. I'll just take a Charger base model with the most economical gasoline powerplant or, if up and running ... and proven, I'll take it with electrification. I have had nothing but positive experiences with the Chargers I've rented. And this is coming from someone who has disliked Chrysler for as long as I can remember.

And still be popular with dogs.

Avereage brake jobs on Hybrids are lasting 100,000 miles so still much less maintenance than traditional ICE auto's. If you have a small car or CUV to Medium, then yes under 10 min to fill and you have stated you fill at half a tank so always quick to top off. I know I spend 20 min fueling at the gas station as the full size SUV's, aka Escalade ESV and Suburban SLE have way bigger tanks than your Jeep has. Anyone wanting a full size truck to pull with will and should always get the bigger tank option than the smaller ones. Plus depending on how the gas station services their own pumps and the dirty level of the filters, you can easily spend 10 to 15 min fueling at the pump on a mid size auto. Just my own observations IMHO. Yes all the wireless pads you can have installed are automatic. The 3rd party ones are compatible with the Leaf, Bolt, Volt, i3, i8 and Tesla. That removes the whole cord thing, just drive over it, get out, lock the auto and go in if outside, otherwise just get out and go about your life that night, next morning full battery charge. My plans are for the wireless pads in my garage once we buy an EV. Here is a good writeup about the current state of Wireless Charging: https://chargedevs.com/features/whats-the-current-state-of-wireless-ev-charging/ Nice thing is that with the auto's you do not have to be perfect just drive over it and they will grab and charge the battery as long as the bulk of the pad is somewhere under the auto.

True that..just something else to plug in. I often run my laptop, tablet and cell phone down to 5% or less. Charging electronics is part of daily life in the modern world, but I am bad about remembering to plug in...especially my tablet. My Ring doorbell camera is down to 5%, got to charge it tomorrow...my electric razor needs charged, but I only shave once a week or so in winter..working at home has made me so lazy about some things...

And All Wheel Drive that will shame ICE powered cars. EV Subaru, EV Jeep, EV GMC and GMC HUMMER and Toyota EV 4Runner, EV Land Rover and any other off road, snow conquering electric vehicle will have this feature... And if electric wheel motor hubs get perfected, then ALL EVs will be able to do this...

Im assuming, that you dont forget to gas up. Im assuming, the majority of the folk that drive gas and diesel powered cars, do not, for the most part, forget to gas up. Why would plugging in an EV car be any different? It will become just one of those little tasks in life when owning an EV... Cell phones have been a common commodity since the mid 1980s. Exploded unto the scene since the 1990s. Laptops have a similar timeline to cell phones and along with tablets...also require to plug in. Today, we charge headphones, drills, electric mowers, grass trimmers....toothbrushes.... Like gasoline and diesel cars, EVs, cell phones, tablets, PCs all have a gauge to tell us that gasoline or battery power is low and it may be time to fuel up or power up and recharge. In all honesty, anyone forgetting to fuel up or recharge may be a dummy in my eyes... If getting gas is no big deal, then plugging in at the comfort of your own home, should not be a big deal either...if anything, its less of a hassle than to drive to a gas station to fill up. Not in theory, but in reality. And one does not need to experience an EV for one to come to that conclusion either. One could easily see that advantage a mile away. If one gets a wireless charging station at home....by God...there is really nothing to do but to drive to your parking spot in just the right spot so the magnetic coils in the charger align with the magnetic coils in the car and voila...hands free...like everything else we like in today's lazy world. Like you, I only gas up every 14 days or so, give or take a day or two, and the gas station is along my drive, but even with that, Id rather not stop and gas up....Id rather plug in at home. Yes....Im one of those lazy folk I just bitched about in the previous paragraph.

There's no way to make EVs retain Subaru character. There's no way for any manufacturer to maintain any sort of brand character when the car is powered by electric motors.... so much sameness. It's like modern NASCAR... dull, bland same-old same-old.

It also takes time to drive to the gas station, and exit the gas station. And in winter you stand in the cold pumping gas.

^There ARE records of history; we as a species haven’t relied solely on oral history for some... I don’t know; 250 years or more.

Pads should last 100k miles+ if you adjust to one pedal driving on a BEV.

handled well because the one he saw wasn't in a ditch or crashed into another vehicle?

But... you don't fit in it because of the white dash trim. How do you know how it handled?

Maybe 5 minutes just to fill a tank, but you still have to pull in, park, pay inside if you don't at the pump, maybe that gas station is not on your exact route that day so you to go a bit out of the way to get to the gas station. I just figured 10 minutes is a good average amount of time out of the day if you had to go to a gas station.

The thing with EV charging is you do it at home every night, so you don't spend 10 minutes per week at a gas station. An EV saves you 520 minutes per year not standing at a gas station. Then it saves you more time for needing less maintenance, fewer oil changes, less brake pad changes, etc. If the trade off for that is having to spend an hour at a super charger the one time a year you decide to drive 500-600 miles in a day, then so be it.

Bet that Buick, with flush glass and a few other details, would have a killer .cd. It's the naturally 'wind superior' teardrop.

MSN posted the Best selling Cars in America by Brand. Very interesting to read. https://www.msn.com/en-us/autos/research-guides/best-selling-cars-in-america-—-by-brand/ss-BBYPu65?li=BBnb7Kz#image=1 Acura RDS 62,876 Alfa Tomeo Stelvio 9,444 Aston Martin Vantage confirmed their top seller but refused to state sales number Audi Q5 67,516 Bentley Continental GT confirmed top seller, refused to state sales numbers BMW X3 70,110 Buick Encore 102,402 Cadillac XT5 49,879 Chevy Silverado 575,600 Chrysler Pacifica 97,705 Dodge Grand Caravan 122,648 Fiat 500 3,267 Ford F-series 896,526 Genesis G70 11,901 GMC Sierra 232,323 Honda CR-V 384,168 Hyundai Elantra 175,094 Infinity QX60 43,162 Jaguar F-Pace 15,491 Jeep Grand Cherokee 242,969 Kia Soul 98,033 Land Rover Range Rover Sport 25,768 Lexus RX 111,036 Lincoln Nautilus 28,573 Mazda CX-5 154,545 McLaren 600LT confirmed top seller, refused to state sales numbers Mercedes-Benz GLC 73,650 Mini Cooper 22,123 Mitsubishi Outlander 40,775 Nissan Rogue 350,447 Porsche Macan 22,667 Ram Pickup 633,694 Rolls-Royce Cullinan confirmed top seller, refused to state sales numbers Subaru Outback 181,178 Tesla Model 3 180,000 Toyota RAV4 448,071 Volkswagen Tiguan 109,963 Volvo XC90 35,760 Clearly the SUV/CUV and Truck is the rage of the auto selling world and some models are just printing money for their company.

As far as fleets, postal and parcel delivery seems like the use case where EVs could work the best. Lots of stop and go low speed daily use.

In a world of mediocre FWD 4cyl CUVs and ugly, bloated trucks, a hefty, retro stylish 2dr coupe w/ available V8 and manual is very appealing to some... I really want one. An R/T Scat Pack w/ wide body in F8 green (or Octane Red) would be great.

Thanks for posting the story, that is a good read and I would agree with the 2023 hint. I think one solid reason for the success has been the price with the body style. No short bunker pony car, but an actual comfy cruiser.

That would be me, right? ___________________________________________________________________________________________________________________

I saw the movie "Knives Out." It got great reviews. It's in a known genre (whodunit) but it's in a class of its own ... very quirky and different. It deserved the good reviews. If anyone saw the suspense thriller "Body Heat" with Kathleen Turner and William Hurt, you learn how that web all came together in the last 10 or so minutes. With this one, it became somewhat apparent about 65% to 75% of the way into the film. What the additional running time did is iron out the details for more "clarity." Recommended.

I was referring to Subarus. A very small percentage of their product line (the 3 letter models—BRZ, WRX, STI) are performance vehicles. For mainstream appliances, I think a BEV approach will be advantageous. Less maintenance, cleaner, more efficient, better performance. Regular consumers don’t open the hood, whether it is ICE or BEV would have little meaning to most drivers I suspect.

I think the character of a brand is more a result of the styling and design inside and out, features, performance, driving feel, etc than the propulsion system. Whether it’s ICE or BEV, as long as it performs within expected parameters for normal use cases, it should be fine. And as Tesla has shown, an EV can perform very well and be a practical real world vehicle. Remember, these are mainstream appliances that regular consumers drive, not something for car enthusiasts.

Yeah, but going to the gas station is not generally something you make a special trip to do, unless you are really bored.... I always fill up at the same station on the main road outside my subdivision, so it's just a stop while on my way somewhere else, no different than going through the bank drive-thru down the same street. And standing in the cold is no big deal, I dress for winter weather. Getting gas is not a big deal that some make out to be, just one of those little tasks in life. Not a big deal either when out of town on a road trip either, gas stations are abundant... Having to plug in an EV in my garage after a drive would be simpler in theory, but the problem is remembering to do it.

In those days, starting MSRP for that car was $97,295. The SL65 AMG retailed for about $190K. Brand new, the customer is right. Problem is is that the car was probably not worth $97K new.

I always pay at the pump because it's more efficient and I don't have to go inside and deal with human resource units. And I hate cash because that leads to change.

I gassed up today. Not quite empty like I usually do, I had around 20 miles left as per the car computer. It took 3-4 minutes for the pump to go gloo gloo gloo up to the brim and at least 1 -2 minutes to pay. So yeah...about 5 minutes sounds about right. But today though, I had to wait in line to use the pump so about another 5 minutes went by. So 10 minutes in total. But usually though....5 minutes. Ive used that same pump before though, and at least 3 times in the past, it actually seemed like an eternity to fill up. ONly at that particular pump in that particular gas station. Im guessing 8-10 minutes to go from empty empty to full full... SMK's story is very plausible though. We shouldn't question his numbers because sometimes it will take us 5 minutes to gas up while other times it may take 10. Over the holidays I had to wait 15 minutes to pay because one old man wanted to buy a ton of lottery tickets along with his gas. My fault though as I could have paid with my bank card/credit card at the pump without having to go inside to pay... I dont do that...lots of fraud with that where I live. So always cash it is when gassing up for me...

I also seem to recall reading in CA years ago that the senior Buicks didn't get the new body in '48 like Cadillac and Olds did, but it was delayed to '49 as it had to be restyled, the original design rejected...but who knows, it was over 70 years ago..

According to Wikipedia the '48 style Special was carried over 'till mid year '49 when the redesigned body came out...i seem to recall reading that in a Collectible Automobile article also.. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buick_Special

But 'here' is one city, not the country at large. Anecdotal. What if you bring lunch/eat at your desk due to either preference or job dictates? Here's the chargers near me: • Tesla, 8 chargers at a lone Panera Bread. • nissan dealer, for nissan leaf, 2 different plugs, no food within walking. • hyndai dealer, 1 type of plug, McD & BK a 1/4 mile away. • kia dealer, 1 charger, must get dealer permission to charge, some food about a 1/2 mile away. • Ford dealer, 1 charger, Fords only, a few places within a mile of walking. • Turnpike plaza (if you want to pay to use Turnpike and deal with the 180 to get back to work), I'm sure the usual fast food is there. Has 2 different plugs there, nissans charge free. • a college parking deck I'm pretty positive you have to pay to get into. Recommended you stay with your car or risk getting towed, deck gates only stay open on weekends. I believe it'd be a dozen blocks to the college grease trucks but don't know it they're there on weekends. • township building, dual station, open 7Am to 11PM 7 days, no food within walking. Just sounds like a major pain in the ass to deal with, and it seems the 'unicorn scenarios' where you drive right up to an unoccupied charger and walk 100' to a appealing food source, doesn't exist around here. I know; anecdotal.

Probably..that like a '42-48 style? I think the '50 was cool looking w/ the grille eating the bumper...

Do not forget Rusty!

The business case looks weak because gas is about $2.50/gallon. No need to rush things, but GM has to keep developing tech AND release product to compete with Tesla, whether it is in the USA or China.

You aren't a fleet driver, though...not driving 25k-50k miles a year?

I'd be happy w/ the regular 392 Hemi engine and 6 speed manual..485 hp is enough.

For me, an Electric Challenger would be great as a weekend cruise car with the wife. 300 to 400 mile battery pack would cover the fun short road trips for me.

The problem is GM invents stuff but does nothing with it.... they came up with that skateboard platform and didn't do anything with it due to their incompetent leadership..

Yeah.. I'm only 6'0", but my head rubs the headliner in a Mustang and Camaro, and I can't see out of a Camaro w/o a periscope. I've sat in Challengers several times at the dealer and at shows, and I fit in fine even w/ the sunroof (which I'd want).

Nuttin' but CURVES!

Beyond ludicrous mode...

Ford built a 800+ HP 4-cylinder for competition 40 years ago. Chevy has a pedestrian 2.0T developing 310 HP right now, and took an Ecotec 2.0L 4 to 246 MPH 15 years ago. That's faster than a MB GT R with a TT V8 does now. You don't think Chevrolet could take a 2.0L 4 and make it produce 600-700 HP in a Corvette with a snap of their fingers?

String of failures so far from daimler...

*caste

Note that it's the '66 they started from. And they had a 292 Y-block V8. Heres an '82... Similarly, Argentina built the '69 style Fairlane through '73, and the '69 style Fairlane through '81. With a 6 and 292 Y-block.

India is a caste system of rich and poor, plus the poor infrastructure and lack of electrical to a majority of the people will always make it a hard sale. Until the government corruption stops and they actually start investing in the country and work to improve basics such as clean water, sewer, electricity and roads, EVs will only sell in the rich sections that can support it and that is even a small segment due to the poor infrastructure of the country. On top of those issues is what Drew points out, majority of our auto's in the US are too big for the country and road system as such the most you could export as CPO would be the Sparks, Sonics and Fiestas. India is the 4th largest auto market focused on compacts here being extra large auto's there, so you have sub compacts as mid size, micro as compacts and what ever is under micro as sub-compacts in comparison of India to the US. Most folks there are used to driving motorcycles and they come here and get a car and cannot drive worth shit. Price is not the biggest issue, reliable electricity is a bigger issue in India as they are a country with sparse gas stations too so you need high mileage auto's to get around. As one that spends too much time there for work, I can tell you, it is very common to see stores sell 1, 2, 4 and 8 Liter containers of gas due to the lack of gas stations. Yet due to this ability to package and sell, gas autos and bikes sell and will continue to sell till the country fixes their poor infrastructure. I could go on about the differences between there and here but would be a way too long of a rant that some people complain about others do. Ciao,