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At Costco picking up steaks for BBQ dinner and I find this Volvo Jewel in the parking lot! Gotta love 2" thick Ribeeye Regular and Tomahawk steaks. Volvo jewel

WRONG, Tesla has stated the Tesla Y will be the first auto in production at GigaFactory Texas starting end of 2021 followed by the Cybertruck early 2022 the same time that Ford F-150 Lightning EV is scheduled to go into production. Musk keeps saying Cybertruck 2021, but he has ZERO credibility in actually staying on with delivery dates. He says things to keep folks interested, but has yet to actually deliver on schedule. See Massive Progress At Tesla Giga Austin: March 12, 2021 (insideevs.com) I can tell you Tesla will not have the options Ford will offer or Chevrolet for their EV truck. Tesla has ZERO real world details let alone test mules running compared to Ford has had test mules running for the last half of year and has clearly posted their actual specifications for the Lightning EV.

Even though it's an outlier, the Lucid Air is claiming over 500 miles of range. I'd have to see that to believe it, to be honest though. There is an Audi A6 variant claiming 400. I may have overstated the one year claim but I do believe within 5 years, 400+ mile range will be more the standard than the exception.

WUT? I'm not arguing for or against a needed 400 mile range or "filling up" at home. I was simply asking what manufacturers are coming out with 400 mile range vehicles.

I read a comment somewhere where a poster was commenting on range for EVs... He said: "there is no need for a 400 mile range battery and more in an EV" why? "A gasoline powered car lugs around 400 plus mile of range in the form of gasoline. gasoline is heavy, but ONLY when the tank is full. When its empty, it aint heavy. We also dont drive with a full tank of gas all the time. Its only full once. We drive the first mile and its no longer full and its 1 mile less heavy. And we dont rush to fill 'er up the next day either. Some of us dont even fill 'er up all the way. Some of us wait until we squeeze the last fume out of the gas tank before we gas up again. A battery powered car lugs around that heft ALL the time REGARDLESS if on a full charge or a 0% charge. When charging times drop to the levels of gasoline fill-up times, there wont be a need to lug around all that heft." Think about that for awhile...

The Ford F-150 Lightning and Mach-E greatly disagree with your half-baked assessment and for all of Fords flaws, both will be more reliable than any Tesla.

So we are in agreement. Daimler ruined Chrysler. Thanks for confirming that.

worthwhile endeavor. this is how technology improvements R&D can be paid for. Rather than making car prices out of reach. Fuel diversity is not a bad thing. One type of propulsion mandated, bad thing. We'll need gas and electric and other sources for all our propulsion and transportation needs.

This I can wholeheartedly get behind. Save fuel and equal to better performance. Now if only we can replace a lot of interstate trucking with more freight rail, especially at our ports. . . .

All the chargers are in CA, quite a ride from… any other state. NJ has 846 chargers for 9 million people. 3 + 30% = 4. Percentages here are misleading.

I didn't mean to quote myself, meant to edit previous comment.

You literally just said 3 years is "current data". 2021 - 2018 = 3.

As current data is showing just from 2020 to 2021, public charging grew 30% and is expected to explode this year. This is High Power Chargers not slow level 1 or 2. High Power Charger for Electric Vehicle Market | 2020-2027 | Industry Report | Covid Insights (mordorintelligence.com) Here, yes they use China but the data shows from 2018 to 2020 onboard charging to speed up from hours to minutes grew big time with much more models available for sale. Global Electric Vehicle On Board Charger Market 2021-2026 | June 2021 Updated (mobilityforesights.com) Just from 2018 to 2019, the data shows public chargers available grew 90%. The point being is the study from 2012 to 2018 is OLD DATA, OUT OF DATE DATA due to how fast things are changing. EV Charging Station Statistics in US, UK, & Europe [2021] (muchneeded.com) Posting a story such as Business Insider as a New study when it is based on 3 year old and older data rather than current data which I consider to be the last 2 to 3 years is OLD DATA. Leases usually run 2 or 3 years. The story that @ccap41 posted should have been based on current trade-in of EVs to see how many actually did go back to ICE. That would be a current valid study rather than based on a study released at the start of 2019 based on data from 2012 to 2018. IMHO. I want to state, I am not attacking anyone here, just a bit of frustration at the piss poor journalism showing clear lack of research by the posted story writer. Electric Vehicle Charger Market by Vehicle Type (Battery Electric Vehicle (BEV), Plug-in Hybrid Electric Vehicle (PHEV), and Hybrid Electric Vehicle (HEV)), Charging Type (On-board Chargers, and Off-board Chargers), and End User (Residential and Commercial): Global Opportunity Analysis and Industry Forecast, 2020-2027 (valuates.com) Electric Car Statistics and Facts 2021 | Policy Advice I ACKNOWLDEGE that ICE will be around for a long time and even EVAdoption study shows that by 2030, 20 million additional ICE auto's will be on the road while BEVs continue to grow. 2030: 20 Million More ICE Vehicles Will Be on the Roads in the US Than in 2021 – EVAdoption Some very good data in these latest reports. Scheduled introduction of EVs. Sales now and projected. Some very good data in this newest report on the auto industry.

What was false? 20% of people in California switched back to ICE. Also, I've said MULTIPLE times that I am absolutely NOT against EVs. They have their place but they are not a god to be bowed down to, like some treat them. I'm pretty sure I've even said one of the cheapy older ones with <100 of range would be a great vehicle for around town when they hit the used market for like 3-5k. It also did not say there were zero public chargers. Those people who bought an electric car absolutely knew where public chargers were located. Plenty of chargers in California in 2018. https://evadoption.com/ev-charging-stations-statistics/charging-stations-by-state/

I had to Google the EQS, they're targeting 478 miles on the Euro cycle but it's estimated to be under 400 in the EPA's cycle. 500 miles is insane. I only see a need or even a want for something like that in a long-haul truck, be it a semi or dually 3500/350's(loaded rating or something similar).

Whether there will be or not... THERE IS NO PHOQUING NEED FOR 400 MILE RANGE...(if one has a charger at home...if and WHEN charging times drop....when there are ENOUGH charging stations at every street corner...) gasoline powered cars barely have over 400 mile range... But...gasoline powered cars cant be filled up at HOME... Its the SAME old tiring argument...

I guess...you are reading that article with a BIASED view AGAINST EVs... 1. folk didnt have access to level 2 charging at home. 2. hassle to charge at a public charger 3. failure of article to state what was a hassle... 4. one has to assume a) charging times too long b) hard to find a public charger that is i) available to use ii) in good working order iii) etc 5. I came to a conclusion that MORE public chargers that are at every corner LIKE a gasoline station is a VIABLE solution to which Norway is trying to do. California and Quebec as well... Couple that with charging times dropping in the NEXT 3 years and even faster charging times in the FOLLOWING 3 years... to accommodate the FOLK THAT CANT ACCESS TO A LEVEL 2 CHARGING SYSTEM AT HOME...

Who all is claiming 400+ miles of range? I'd love to see it but that's a hell of a distance.

3.5% is nothing remotely like “quite common”. Imagine if 3.5% of people coming thru your restaurant door/calling actually ordered any food. Now add in everyone else in the city never contacting your restaurant yet still eating food (existing vehicle owners).

25% of Mazda’s New Cars Will Be Electric by 2030, But a Straight-Six Is Still in the Works "As part of its commitment to be carbon-neutral by 2050, a quarter of all Mazda vehicles will be electric, and and every remaining car it makes will have some sort of electrified element by 2030. This means full EVs, plug-in hybrids, or regular hybrids. It's going to be bringing out five mild-hybrid models, five plug-in hybrid models, and three additional electric models from 2022 to 2025. But that's just the start of it; it's also building an EV-specific version of Skyactiv that will be launched between 2025 and 2030 and will be a scalable platform for pretty much any EV." 25% of Mazda’s New Cars Will Be Electric by 2030, But a Straight-Six Is Still in the Works (thedrive.com)

If Tesla remains static, they will be surpassed and falter. And IMO, if they stop making vehicles and merely supply batteries/motors to other manufacturers, they failed. They've certainly made missteps (who hasn't); they should never have dumped the Roadster, then announced a return almost 5 years ago now. All those potential roadster buyers are long gone. We'll have to watch & see what happens.

Why are U.S. Model S sales down 50% from 3 years ago? Are people moving on from just 0-60 numbers? Is the now 10-year old Model S just too out-of-date?

How many sedans on market today do 0-60 in under 2 seconds? Or forget sedans, just cars in general? The Rimac in Europe but not here yet and the Model S. How many EV's have a 400+ mile range? Only the Model S. How many even hit 325 miles or more? Only Tesla's. No one has caught up yet. And they might, but Tesla won't stand still either. Better be fast because Mercedes is going to break that 6:43.6 record in the next couple months.

And the article, BECAUSE its old news, doesnt even mention the new generation battery tech that ALLOWS for fast charging that WILL be on the EVs as soon as 2021-2022. And even those batteries will be improved upon shortly thereafter. It just talks about charging levels...

Cybertruck will be on sale before the F150 Lightning or the electric Silverado, and Cybertruck does some cool stuff, I think people will buy it. The Tesla Roadster is 3 times the cost of a Corvette, also anyone that is a Tesla fan, won't buy an ICE car, so they aren't buying Corvettes, plus the Model S is faster around a track than a C8. Also when is the Corvette going to take the Nurburgring record? Right now it is 42 seconds a lap slower than the AMG GT Black series, which in a few months will be Mercedes 2nd quickest car. Corvette has good performance per dollar, always has, but it isn't some world killer sports car. The Veyron has a 275 mph top speed, the Corvette's is like 200. The Corvette does 0-124 mph in 12 seconds, the AMG One does it in under 6. And even if they build a 1,000 hp Corvette in a few years, the Rimac Nevera is on sale now with 1,900 hp and an 8.6 second 1/4 mile time.

True...but I wasnt questioning you or your stance REGARDING 400 mile range either... I was just stating that there might NOT be a need for 400 mile range and COMPLIMENTING your post rather than questioning it... But YOU are quite defensive there... Is it because you are sooooo comfortable if phoquery posts? Like you want to mess with my mind because I cant take an adolescent joke about a phoquing your mother joke when my mom passed away just a few months prior. When we are ALL NOT adolescent's anymore and chances are at OUR age, a parent might pass away because...parents DO get older and DO NOT live forever? I mean....sex with your momma jokes... do they EVER get stale? Like never? Stop the phoquery!!!