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The PNW weather sound insane...115? That's Arizona desert hell hole type weather. It's felt like S Florida here in NE Ohio lately...highs in the 80s-90s, lots of humidity, sunny in the morning, scattered thunderstorms in the afternoon/evening. Now for something different---with all the blather about pickup bed length in the Maverick thread, how about a Diahatsu Hijet.. now this is a short bed crew cab. Totally badass...as seen on FB..

VW didn't take over Porsche. The Porsche family took over VW and then used VW to buy Porsche from themselves for themselves..... It raised a lot of eyebrows and questions from regulators.

A C&D article I linked earlier showed preference to the E-Mach interior over the Tesla Model Y and that’s just a lowly little Ford. That should tell people all they need to know.

We got nasty heat about two weeks ago where we had highs of like 105 for a couple days and the days leading up to that and following in the high 90's. It was brutal and I got a handful of patches of my tall fescue grass that went dormant(looks dead) that I'm quite bummed about but I wasn't about to try and water enough to keep those spots green.

They may not be stand-alone but they need their own building now. I found this out because the closest Lincoln dealer to me stopped carrying Lincoln because they wouldn't build a second building for Lincoln so now my closest dealer is like 50 miles away... Yeah, it's just an insane market right now and looking at any used vehicles show this year and clearly an outlier that possibly will never happen again.

This is actually one of the best posts you have made here...very concise, rational and to the point. You do have a lot of wisdom at times.

Because cherry picking is yet another skill in addition to bar moving lol.

Their dealership experience is remarkable. Two close relatives own Lincolns, they are very, very well taken care of. If Lincolns are anything like my Ranger, count me in.

As you already know, all of their platforms are being utilized on multiple vehicles which do sell in much higher volumes. The expensive parts are paid for by the volume Ford units.

Did you not notice that everything that's currently in production is up and up by a good amount?

Because they have such a bad reputation prior to like 2015ish. It takes A LONG TIME to finally convince people that something is worth spending luxury money on. They're finally making great products and not trying to be something they aren't. Mercedes has been in a decline since 2016. That must be rough to see. https://www.goodcarbadcar.net/mercedes-benz-us-figures/

Don't worry, neither does Mercedes, BMW, or Audi. Hell, any other brand. Toyota is clearly an outlier and you're also only looking at an insane market right now. Look at the used prices in a year from now and you will absolutely have depreciation on every used vehicle, Toyotas included.

That doesn't make it bad. That'd be burnt and nobody wants burnt food. 1/10 comparison rating.

"Lincoln volume' means; the volume that Lincoln averages out at. They've been steady since 2015, which is all up since '08-14, and only slightly below where they were in the mid '00s. The brand has its customer base and it keeps buying a steady stream of Lincolns. Your claim was "Lincolns don't sell" but obviously that's baseless nonsense... still tied to an arbitrary sales volume you think needs to be met. You're creating this conspiracy theory doom scenario that sales are plummeting, the brands makes no profit / has no revenue, and has no forward business case... yet that conspiracy theory seems to be based only on personal conjecture. I've never seen a stand-alone Lincoln dealer, so your further 'dire service scenario' conspiracy theory doesn't fly. Here's a circa $50K Tesla interior, and a same price range Lincoln sedan interior. Once Lincoln is also electrified and that variable is equal... who's going to chose the Tesla interior?

Lincoln sales are way up in the last few years. Sure the sedans are gone, but the German sedans are hanging on by a thread (in the US) also... and Tesla (Go USA!) is outselling the Germans Combined in sedan sales in their respective markets.

Actually seeing a few on the roads around here….quite cool!

How I feel about a few of the folks that troll here...

More than just label mad. Hiking, woodworking and Music are my refuge. Will be borrowing the skills you are using on the B-59 to build a post apocalypse vehicle for personal use....should resemble something out of the mad max movie. This looks like too much fun... Looks like it might be cactus grey, hard to tell with it being a bit overcast. Today's non political political post... Truth for Monday... Maybe I would rather drive... We need rain here in Columbus, grass is starting to turn brown just a bit...

On a V8 Platform with the Mustang V8 and suicide doors it would blow away any of the AMG stuff that's brought up here....in looks and performance both. There are a bunch of us that want domestics. I have owned several foreign cars, but came back domestic with my last purchase because Ford built something I wanted. I am a happy guy. When you have money and family ties, all things are posible. It is insane what first generation Tundras are bringing right now. As well as Four Runners and FJ cruisers. The overlanding thing has everyone wanting them. For a few grand more...a much newer and lower mileage domestic would be much more my speed.

Yes, I always have to question that same thought line since we also have Craisian (Caucasion / Asian) and Blasian ( Black / Asian) plus we cannot forget which one was Arab, Mediterranean, or how about Persian? So yes, how do we defend that all humanity came from Adam and Eve, supposedly two white people and yet have so many different AMAZING MULTI-CULTURAL Heritage areas in the world? Same Logic can be applied to our Automobiles, amazing how Woman and Men from various heritage backgrounds see things? Ford Flex, @surreal1272 which owns one, I rented a new one in Kuai a number of years ago when they first came out knows how awesome the Flex is and what many do not realize, the Flex was a solid FEMALE ENGINEERING TEAM! The cool stuff that is on all the Fords now, started with the Flex such as the gas filler lid that has the built in vacume seal. Woman do not like touching dirty gas caps and asked why do we need it if we create a suction on the lid that has a proper built in seal? Ford Flex Gas Lid Awesome Engineering Then we have reports like this that Jeep needs to be worried as the Full Size Bronco kills the Wrangler. The Ford Bronco is finally here and Jeep should be worried - CNN

We got a ton of rain this past weekend. I think ~4 inches. NIIIIIIICE! I LOVE me some garlic and would love this. When we get further along with out home, I'd love a little garden with the common things we use plenty of like bell peppers, jalapenos, garlic and onions.

Yep, I think them truly focusing on the luxury experience with quiet, comfortable and great service is taking them up a notch but it isn't a switch that can be flipped and then quadruple their sales. Word of mouth is the best advertisement and people with current Lincolns just need to have great experiences. They certainly do exist and I think it would be a shame to never offer another sedan again. I'm more disappointed they never really updated the Continental and gave it a refreshed "second" run.

Been there, done that....rollin' in my JGC through white bread suburbia whilst bumpin' some Tupac, Ice Cube or NWA....

Thankfully... My son has a clapped out 2004 Implala that he owns outright and runs great. He would like to replace it with another sedan, he is 23 years old. Sedan buyers do exist, and enthusaistic ones at that. Same thing here in Columbus Ohio.

Not trying to be something they are not is especially true I think of the whole Ford brand now that they are focused on SUV/Truck. Would not kick a Mustang out of my garage though. Come to Columbus, we have a stand alone Lincoln Dealer. He could move out to Washington State with David Felt, and my Son Daniel. They have tons of Cherries to pick, much more productive than irration arguements here on C and G. Agree completely.

That has already been pointed out to him and his only response was to post the low volume G-Wagen (at least he spelled right that time) number. When I post the GLS numbers vs the Navigator, he moved the bar yet again to change the subject. I also showed him an article stating that the market will come crashing back down so his initial comparison were moot anyway. Fanboys only see what they want to see and run away form the rest. Of course you don’t see it. That’s the point that EVERYONE here is trying to make to you. I remember the 90s and not many folks thought Porsche could make it long term before VW took over. That was common knowledge then.

These kids obviously angry at their mother... Maybe this is why I have a cat and not a dog...

Waiting to see my First one in the wild... Happy Birthday Robert Hall! Yeah, sounds crappy. Good advice... for anyone actually...

Just Updated the weather with heat advisory through Tuesday, Wednesday we cool off into the low 90's, still way to hot for this time of year. Seattle is now supposed to hit 115 tomorrow, Monday. At my house and for Mountlake Terrace, we were 104. Records everywhere. Heat stroke, etc. @A Horse With No Name Hope your son is doing ok, the heat in his area was crazy also this weekend. WIshing you a HAPPY BIRTHDAY @Robert Hall

Just noticed a birthday- Happy Birthday Robert!!!!!

I’m not “bashing” though. I have presented facts that back up everything I’ve said about whereas you tend to make blanket, and non researched, statements. Fact. Furthermore, outside of Tesla, you bash domestics every chance you get. Find me ONE Cadillac thread here where you are not trying to pass off your opinion as fact. You chime on those threads constantly but are surprisingly absent the few Mercedes threads there are here. Sorry, that’s bashing and trolling. We are not the same here. I actually like Tesla, in principle, but I’m not blind and when you’re not making a profit over the last decade and building cars with a Yugo like quality to them, you’re damn straight I’m going to bash them, bash them with facts. Again, we are not the same and neither is the “bashing”.

In other words...you are placing Porsche on too much of a high pedestal... Porsche was a faltering company going slowly down the loo. The only model that sold WAS the 911. Anything and everything else was a failure. The Boxster also nearly failed in the market place. Porsche had to re-engineer its mission for it and definitely had to re-market it as the Boxster was following in the same footsteps as other Porsche sports car offerings NOT named the 911. The 914, 924, 944, 964, 928... All failures. All these failures were slowly sinking Porsche and its brand image. Its funny to see. The SUVs are the ones keeping the lights on at Porsche even to this day. It keeps the 911 alive for the folk that are crazy for the 911. But the 911 cannot survive WITHOUT the SUVs raking in the money. But the SUVs that Porsche sells dont help with the 911 sales...

Porsche in the 1990s was in the very real danger of going bankrupt. Porsche in the 1990s 1. didnt have volume 2. didnt have the bread and butter volume products to MAKE money 3. believe it or not, Porsche didnt even have brand cache in the 1990s. Especially from going away from their air cooled engines in their 911. 4. Porsche's brand image was on a steady DECLINE since the 1980s. Actually, since the 1970s, but most will not admit to that. Two things happened in the 1990s. Mid to late 1990s. 1. Porsche re-branded itself with specializing the 911 into many models if you will. It took awhile for folks to understand what a GT2 911 was all about. Which had a different mission from the Turbo model for example. 2. Porsche started developing a model BELOW the 911 to get people in the show rooms. They tried that before in the 1970s and failed MISERABLY. They did that in the 1980s and ALSO failed miserably. The 911 was always a strong seller. But very very low numbers. The Boxster was a semi success as it was an ALL OUT PORSCHE effort rather than a VW collaboration as the previous 914 of the 1970s was. Marketing was better in that regard too. 3. Porsche started doing the SUV thing. THAT alone did not make Porsche any money. It brought volumes to Porsche. As where the 911 was expensive for folk and the 911 was sold only to a SPECIFIC set of people, the SUVs brought in NEW clientele. Clientele that were and still are NOT pure Porsche fanatics... 4. What DID bring in the money is that Porsche used Volkswagen platformed SUVs as a way to save on the economies of scale thing. And the VW sharing part was kept on the hush hush... And if it leaked out that the SUVs were VWs, Porsche marketing at that point had placed Porsche engineering on a high list of a selling point. So no... Had Porsche NOT been able to 1. sell SUVs 2. switch to a VW platform SUV 3. market THAT successfully Porsche woudnt be here today... But they did switch in making SUVs at the time when SUVs were getting to be hot. Got economies of scale with using VW SUV platforms. But now...it seems there are 2 kinds of Porsche clientele. 1. 911 clientele 2. Porsche SUV clientele that might not know what a 911 is or really care.

While making zero profit on them. Does this really have to be explained to you again?

Profit is not directly linked to volume. Look no further than Tesla's volume & lack of profit. Lincoln's 2021 sales thru May is 45K units, on pace to deliver 108K this calendar year. That's up from last year (105K). I'm sure every OEM would daydream about having 50% of the market, but profit is profit / a good business model. I don't ever worry about how many model/calendar year sales a brand logs, what's important is the company is healthy/profitable; that drives the future. Is Daimler pleased selling 2 million plus units, or would they "be happier" selling 5 million units and double the profit? These are meaningless questions.

2021 Garden Update, just completed the harvest before the heat hit and was able to harvest 242 bulbs of garlic. I have 7 different types. Garden and corn over all doing well. Off to water.

@smk4565—And bringing up the low volume G-Wagen was just dumb. Sorry. If you’re going bring Benz into the folks with full size SUVs like the Lexus and Lincoln, then you have to bring up the GLS. I’m guessing there is a good reason why you didn’t though. Let me help you.

Very cool that the Bronco is finally showing up for customers. Ford Broncos Are Showing Up at Buyers’ Doors (msn.com) Seems this is Jeeps answer to the Ford Bronco. Jeep Wrangler Rubicon Xtreme Recon is an extra-hardcore off-roader (msn.com)

Then your 4 Runner example does not fly because its high value was a direct result of what has happened to EVERY OTHER BRAND out there. That's what you are clearly not getting. You also assuming the term levels in question here without a direct link or comparison. Just pulling stuff out of thin air. Now please read the chart in the link below. Lincoln has been pulling higher 90 increases than Lexus and Mercedes. https://www.cargurus.com/Cars/price-trends/

Their current portfolio is extremely competitive with everything it their respective price range. They don't build race cars, they built true luxury cars. Quiet, comfortable, quality materials, pickup/drop off your vehicle for service.

Why is it laughable? If you believe in the product, you believe that those around you want the same quality of world class product, that is all it takes to start a move that way. No one would hire a president that only believes they build mediocre products. While you believe that MB builds the best, plenty of people think otherwise and you know I see MB as just another competitor to GM from Chevrolet to Cadillac. MB is an entry level to mid to luxury level auto maker, They are the Toyota of German auto's on par with some models but better than VW, equal to BMW which is also another Chevrolet to Cadillac auto builder under a single name plate but with other problem step siblings.

Totally agree, I am still very impressed with the Rivian product line, the only thing is their wall charger, but there are far better 3rd party options out there and I would probably even consider doing a business install so I can get a DC charger installed, but a few companies put out a decent 80AMP Level 2 chargers that also do the job well. Will be adding a dual plug charger to the garage when I kick off the remodel.

In other words... Lincoln has economies of scale because Lincoln shares its platforms with Ford. *SIGH* yes...Lincoln would LOVE to sell more vehicles. Especially the sedans. Shyte has happened and that boat has sailed. HOWEVER...Lincoln SUV sales are hot. Lincoln SUVs are NOT looked down upon. Lincoln sales are not too shabby. Lincoln is not Porsche. In other words, Lincoln SUVs are not performance oriented as how Porsche SUVs are. Although Id like to know how much of a performance machine the little Porsche CUV really is... Lincoln as a quiet luxury vehicle offering is actually quite a success story in Lincoln's recent history.

He doesn’t seem to understand that some companies are run horribly and it baffling him that it’s not a domestic make in question here.

Sounds like the choices are coming!

How in the Sam hell did we go from Lincoln to MB vans? Lincoln. That’s the subject here. If he wants to continue his stupid defense of German vans, let him start his own thread (which is something I’ve never seen him do regarding his pet brand). It is the same wash, rinse, repeat nonsense with him and his blind fanboy love of all things German. He hasn’t learned a damn thing here and has never cared to learn anything that may put his pet brand in a negative light. Quite honestly, F him at this point (and yes I made it personal. Sue me). Lincoln BEVs: Anything else to add here? BTW @smk4565-Sales does not equate to world class. Rolls Royce and Bentley both sell far less than the numbers you posted above. By your fanboy logic, they are not world class either. There. Done.

I warned you against politics, you ignored it, so now you're getting warning points. Talking about our experiences getting the vaccine is not political. The fact that you think us discussing how we got the vaccine or the side effects we might have experienced is political says more about you than it does about us. It also goes back to my complaint in the Bad Behavior thread where I said: As far as my quote from the NYT.... what I provided was EVIDENCE from the New England Journal of Medicine. It was just a quote from the NYT summarizing in plainer language what the NEJM said. Compare that to your links (which will be removed): LawEnforcementToday triggers this warning in my browser: And even by their own admission, they are an OPINION site with anonymous sources and no accountability BorderReport is owned by NexStar which, like Sinclair group, is right wing propaganda masquerading as "Your Friendly Local News Channel". TFIGlobalNews is an Indian news site which runs Trump puff pieces.... an article dated today is talking about how Trump is going to win (riddled with spelling errors I might add). So, on my side I have a respected medical journal largely regarded as one of the standards of the world and to counter that, you provide a link to a site that causes a browser warning, a right-wing propaganda conglomerate, and a news outlet from India with a hard on for Trump.... NONE of which refute my statement (backed by the NEJM) that the vaccine offers greater protection from the virus than being infected does. So, I'm not going to even address the rest of your lies, I'm just going to delete them as I hand you your warning. You said your piece here. You're wrong about virtually every "fact" you've posted. Stay out of this thread. Further posts in this thread will result in further warnings until suspension kicks in.