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This is why the Corvette traditionally sells between 15K and 30+K and Porsche struggles to move 6K at the same price. Porsche is hoping to get Corvette volume by competing on price, but they cannot compete on performance because of the VW corporate rule that the 911 cannot be beaten.

Not worth my time...

It's vinyl lettering; it peels off in 2 minutes. Go ahead and buy it.

Maybe because it has a worse interior, isn't any quicker, and there are far better choices out there for the money. [ C8 Corvette base model : tested 0-60 in 2.7 secs. ] He stated '$160K more', meaning $97K on a $210K car. I have no idea if that's remotely accurate.

On that part, I agree 100%. If it is serving you well and its paid off, why fix what isn't broken.

Not the right gen Benz. Here is his gen. (2008) but yeah, somehow better than a CT6 interior. But until then, vaporware. Only to brand snobs but you can't say that people won't go for a Vette vs a Porsche 718, on one hand, and then basically imply that it doesn't compete at all because it's a Chevy (that outperforms the 718 and a 911 in most circles) not he other. Again, you are putting too much stock into this brand image thing.

But eventually Tesla will build all that stuff. All the other Teslas had delays, they eventually all got build, and they got production volume up over time. Even if the Cybertruck, Roadster and Semi show up in 2023, that is like 18 months away, I don't think the market will be flooded with EV's by then or that Tesla will miss the boat somehow. Mercedes is showing 5 EV's at the Munich auto show next month, even if they get all 5 on market by 2023, I doubt even they will be outselling Tesla on EV's. And personally I hope Mercedes mops the floor with Tesla, but I think Tesla will be their toughest challenge, more so than Lexus or Cadillac or BMW even have been.

The added item by the dealer on this yukon would be a deal breaker for me. No dealer has the right to put their crappy name on my auto that I buy.

Why wouldn't people who can't afford a 911 buy a Corvette instead, tho? And aren't they?? Corvette has a better interior, hits 60 a second & a half quicker than a 718, plus it's a supercar that looks like a super car, not a 20-40 yr old design. Sounds like a no-brainer; Porsche is a 2nd place finisher here.

^ That doesn't jive with your earlier statement that 'guys with 7 cars aren't buying "great performance for their dollar". 718 starts right where the Corvette does; at $60K. Wh-who's buying that when there's a 'much betterer' 911 out there? One of these is good and the other is "bad", eh? :

Then why does the Porsche 718 exist???? Nope, it's definitely an upgrade :

And that is where you fail. Porsche should be ashamed that a $90k Vette has a better interior and comparable performance than their base $129K 911. What does that say about Porsches “image”. The image I’m getting is one that’s overpriced.

I think the Corvette is the best sports car under $100k, and they are a great deal on the used car market too. Personally, I wouldn’t buy a Chevy. My first car was a Chevy, then I had the Oldsmobile Aurora, so any GM car except a Cadillac I feel like would be a step down. And after a Mercedes for 8 years, I feel like a Cadillac is even a down grade. If the Corvette had a Cadillac badge with a Cadillac interior then it would be something for me to consider and I’d probably take it over a Porsche. But I wouldn’t buy a Chevy. And when I said I judge a product, brand image is part of that.

Yes; 2nd smaller/upper crank was for the vent window. Manual, swiveling vent windows were in cheap cars; lux models got cranks. In ‘64 @ Pontiac, power vents were a separate option; my car has power windows with manual (cranked) vents. Only seen 1 ‘64 GP with power vents. Then you could go over to Cadillac and get the full boat : 4 power windows plus 4 power vents! ?

Must be why auto publications constantly compare the Vette against the 911, like type does for half a century. BTW, this particular Vette was faster to 0-60 than the 911. https://www.motortrend.com/reviews/2020-chevrolet-corvette-c8-vs-2020-porsche-911-comparison-test-review/ Make sure you pay attention to this part about the interiors of the two since you are so certain that the 911 is superior. "It's just one of the ways in which the Corvette's cabin is nicer than the 911's, a sentence we feared we'd never get to write. The Corvette's notoriously cheap materials, gaping panel gaps, and persistent smell of glue have all been banished—and this was in an early-build car, no less. The previous Corvette generation showed us Chevrolet could afford to give the car both performance and a nice interior, but the C8 has skipped straight past nice and into proper supercar territory. The leather is the best we've seen and felt in a Corvette by a wide margin, there's no cheap-looking hard plastic anywhere (well … the cupholders are a bit of a wince), and the seats (midgrade GT2s, in this case) strike a balance between comfort and lateral support that even some supercar builders don't get right. Granted, our Corvette was a top-shelf 3LT trim level with the best interior you can yet buy for the car, but you can do that when the as-tested price is a Silverado less than the 911—which had zero interior dress-up options, at that. Sure, Porsche will wrap the air vent blades in leather if you put enough zeroes on the check, but out of the box, it's a stark field of dark grays and blacks all finished in varying grades of plastic and piano black. Our Carrera didn't even have power seats" So yes, you can have a nicer interior in the 911, if you want to pay thousands for each little bit that makes it that way.

It may take some marketshare. It's likely to grabs a bunch of the 'look at me' vanity sales... maybe Leonardo DiCaprio will drive one to an awards show no one watches. But I doubt it'll break 100K in year 2- it just doesn't address truck buyer's needs & wants. Don't forget- that claimed $39K starting price doesn't go as fast nor tow as much, and Tesla raises prices just about MONTHLY... so a number announced going on 2 years ago now is likely going to be a good $5K more. And they're all going to be the same color. Also, the Tesla brand name doesn't carry any weight with the truck demographic. By nearly every metric, it has a steep uphill climb.

I get that leading in one or two metrics is meaningless, it is like those commercials that say car A has more standard horsepower than car B, meanwhile car B gets better fuel economy and has 2 option engines that car A doesn’t mention in their commercial. But the Cybertruck has a lot of good metrics, attractive price, and unique styling plus the Tesla brand name. I think it will sell just fine, I’d be shocked if it wasn’t 100k units a year and I think they could do 200k. I am not saying the Cybertruck will outsell the F150, but it will take a little market share from existing trucks.

^ You are conflating assembly point with company home country. - - - - - The infinitesimal differences in maximum rated towing or payload do not drive sales by themselves, as the major players are commonly within a few percentage points of each other. This has been patiently explained here numerous times; the 'top number' in a given criteria doesn't drive sales by itself. Ram TD has 1,075 TRQ whereas GMC/ Chevy has 910, but the Ram doesn't handily outsell its competition, thusly disproving your 'model'. Because that's exactly it- (and with trucks especially); they need to be competitive. And they are, and then truck consumers pick the BEST BALANCE of features and capabilities and personal preferences and PRICE and buy 'X'. The Tesla pickup tries to pass off uncompetitiveness in product with "re-invention", and it's just laughable. And what little actually tangible things it does offer (the front trunk, no fuel costs... I can't think of anything else) are going to be offered by a host of competitors by the time it ever gets out. Couple that with the LACK of certain features and it has an immense uphill battle for marketshare. When you ignore the vast data set of the 'Phoenix Rising' of pickups over the last 50 years and instead take a hard left turn and try to pitch it as 'This is what you really want', it just comes off as ill-prepared and unresponsive.

A perfect example of the bizarro world that is known as the used car market. This my Flex right now, private party value. I paid $12,500 for it 18 months ago.

I wasn't used to the stickers. They put on license plate frames when I was growing up ... and no sticker. Many people think dealership license plate frames are ugly, too. I'm sure they'd remove the sticker. Once I started seeing them, usually on out of state cars that had been brought into the state, I, too, hated that look.

Concerning the dealership advert lettering on a vehicle: One could request they remove the stickers on the car. Not a big deal and the dealership will comply. I have asked they remove the advertising on all the cars I have ever bought. Not because of the obnoxious free advert I may give them while I drive my car, but because I feel that the stickers uglify the vehicle. And not one time has a salesman or dealership given me ANY grief for my request. And they have complied each and every time. EDIT: PS:: My dad's cars always had the dealership stickers on his car. And from an early age I hated that look. From an early age I vowed to never have them on my cars. PSS: What I did like was when dealerships gave you a front license vanity plate with their name and logo. They dont do that anymore. They barely give you key chains... I wouldnt want to install that vanity plate on the front of my car, its just that it was a neat thing.

First off PROVE that they make $97,000 per car profit cause right now your saying that $160,000 auto is really only a $63,000 auto. Second except for SNOBS, brand image is NOT that important otherwise Porsche, Mercedes, Ferrari, etc. of the over priced auto's would be the only thing selling.

• I believe Bonnie & Clyde perished in a '34 Ford. That patriotically-colored Packard is a '48-50. Cadillacs should be large. Or... there should always be a large Cadillac sedan. And I'm not talking about a mere 205"- that's an intermediate/compact.

Also spotted yesterday ... ^ As Nancy Reagan would have said, "Just say no." ^ Just say yes, except to the ridiculous hood ornament. This guy did a great job of keeping this old school Coupe de Ville true to form in all other aspects. Great old school black - red pinstriping - black vinyl top - burgundy interior combination. You should have seen how grand this car looked as it was pulling in to the service station.

@David ^ The above practice is far less common in the West than it is in the East, Midwest, and South. It is an obnoxious practice, it's free advertising, and it's irrelevant if you move out of that area, thereby blighting your vehicle. It's probably not as common in the West because distances are greater and density is lower. Just a thought.

Tesla Cybertruck is still Vaporware! Only a single 1 off custom hand built toy exists, nothing else does nor will it till they get Model Y production going in Texas. Roadster 2.0 is delayed unspecified build/delivery date. Tesla Semi is delayed till some time in 2022 after Model Y production is going and after the get their new batter cell design to actually produce without such a double digit failure rate. Cybertruck, vaporware at this point with an unspecified date for mules in 2022, indicating at the earliest 2023 maybe. Ford, GM, Rivian will have been out selling far more trucks than Tesla!

No. That’s what their CUVs are for. Besides, the 718 sells in FEWER numbers than the 911. @smk4565- What year is your Benz?

I always thought my car, a 2008, was worth about $4,000, plus or minus. In looking at the ads, they are asking $5,000 to $6,000 for them. Whether they get it is another story. But it incentivizes me to take good care of the car. After a little over 100,000 miles, it got its FIRST tune-up a few months ago. Yesterday, I took it on a small one day road trip. Almost all flat, freeway, negligible traffic, cruise at 63 mph the whole way. 31.5 mpg on the outbound, with A/C on, and 34.3 mpg on the return, with no A/C and cooler outside. (I could be 1/2 a MPG off, but close.) That's phenomenal for a 3800 V6 and a 4 speed automatic, and tells me it's real tight. Makes me wonder if I can, and should, keep putting off the purchase ...

You clearly did not read the whole article. No. You said the Vette shouldn’t be compared to the 911 when that is the Porsche it has ALWAYS been compared to. It should be noted that the Vette was called more luxurious than the $40K higher price 911. Maybe you don’t but most buyers certainly do compare them. That is just a dumb assumption on your part.

Yeah, power windows must have been an option...but that was almost 60 years ago..weird to think of a car with a luxury image w/ manual windows. One thing I've noticed on some photos are two window cranks, and some with no window cranks. I'm guessing the second crank was for the vent windows? Never been in a car w/ a crank for vent windows, used to them being manual, though I've seen some cars with power ones (though not the swivel style). W/o power windows: w/ power windows:

What he has been told since day one when Tesla announced the wedge on wheels. Yet that hasn't stopped you from constantly pointing out 0-60 times whenever it suits you. Ummm, are you sure about that Mercedes fan?

Not useable F150 EV will have MORE trims Not useable. The bed is an awkward thing... If you cant see that, I cant help you It does NOT have more capability. YOU mentioned the Wrangler. And YES...its a toy! Yes...I said its a toy... I said its a BETTER, faster, bigger, MORE INSANE toy than the Cybertruck... Sure...its got a CULT following. Hummer EV will have an INSANE MSRP. More expensive than the Cybertruck. Must be better because bigger price tag? THAT is usually YOUR go to argument... NOT more capable. Its a toy. A toy that will sell (if it ever get to go on sale) ONLY to rabid Tesla fanbois. That will last 1 year, 2 years tops. The rest of the EV pick-up truck market will go to the F150 EV, Rivian, GM twins... No it doesnt. Cybertruck is VAPORWARE. NO Cybertruck has EVER been offroading. Just cult words from cult master Musk. You are a liar about the C8 that nobody could make it hook up right. All kinds of mis-information there with just 17 words... And again...that would be the BASE C8...with ONLY 495 HP and 490 ft/lbs of torque... And yet...its but a fraction off... the Cybertruck's times... GM beats Audi in a heart beat in ANY category... YOU are just a self hatin' American. I cant help you with that delusion. Sorry. The Corvette has always competed well against the 911. Its a back and forth battle since 1963. If you cant see that. Ill repeat: YOU are just a self hatin' American. I cant help you with that delusion. Sorry. Whatever excuse you are going to use to against my Corvette/911 argument...you can use it on yourself here... Its about time, doncha think? But as with GM losing 800 million, lets see how the year ends. Im will to bet that GM makes 2 billion and Tesla is back losing money again... Stop being such a self hating American...

Let's unpack these statements. The Cybertruck has a bigger bed than the F150 EV, and has more payload and tows more. So I don't know how it is just a toy, when it has more capability than the F150. And the Wrangler could be considered a toy, the Hummer is too, and people buy Wranglers and pay stupid money for them ($70k for a 4Xe?). A toy can sell and be profitable, but in this case the Cybertruck is more capable, has better ground clearance and off road capability than a Raptor also, which the base F150 Electric can't beat a Raptor off road. Hummer EV isn't faster than a Cybertruck, Cyber truck has a 2.9 0-60 time, in real world it will beat a C8 Corvette because no one gets the Corvette to hook up right. The Watts to Freedom mode is supposed to be 3.0 but I have also seen 3.5 second estimates, which seems more accurate because the Hummer EV is too heavy. If Hummer had more fans than Tesla, the Hummer brand wouldn't have been killed off 12 years ago. As far as Porsche and Audi go, I think the Taycan and e-Tron have good performance, but not as good as Tesla, they don't have Tesla's range either. So came up short on both regards there. The Porsche/Audi have nicer interiors, but also like no space in them, so I don't know what is going on there, an EV should be spacious, not cramped, the Model S is roomier and more practical, so maybe call interior a tie. But also think of that, Audi and Porsche, who Ford/GM can't dream of competing with on their best day, are struggling to beat Tesla. I don't see how Ford/GM so easily do it. Tesla also made $ 1 Billion profit last quarter, GM lost $800 million. Now one bad quarter is meaningless to GM, but Tesla is making money now, they might actually be able to fund expansion. They are still on the rise and growing fast. No other car company is really growing, the rest are all just maintaining.

We already DO know that all trucks mentioned will be a better product than a Cybertruck. Elon Musk billed the Cybertruck as a re-invention of the pick-up truck. And as he was showing the Cybertruck, its very obvious that the Cyrbertruck is NOT a re-invention of the conventional pick-up truck. Its a TOY. Ill get back to THAT later. The other trucks Rivian and Ford 150EV, minus the GMC Hummer EV, all showed us what and how EV pick-up trucks SHOULD be. In the regard of the Cybertruck being a traditional pick-up truck, it FAILED. If anything, FORD has re-invented the EV pick-up truck! THAT makes it a better EV pick-up truck. I said the Cybertruck is more of a toy. Well...had GMC NOT given us a HUMMER EV, Id be inclined to say...yeah! Tesla has given us a fan-TA-stic EV truck as its a unique offering, its EV and its a toy. THIS is what toys are all about! HOWEVER...GMC has given us the HUMMER EV... The HUMMER EV is a more shocking offering. Faster, bigger. MORE arrogant! Freedom mode. Crawl mode. Its INSANE! Therefore, even as a toy, the Cybertruck falls short... Its in 2nd place. There are more fans of the HUMMER brand than there are rabid Tesla fanbois. HUMMER has ALL the folk that bought Hummers 20 years ago. HUMMER has even got the green people on board as it IS an electric vehicle... HUMMER might NOT have the Tesla cult followers. But that is OK. HUMMER has got the folk that look at the Cybertruck and laugh at it! HUMMER has even got the folk that swear that they will NEVER part with their DIESEL HD pick-up trucks, but JUST the way the HUMMER looks and with FREEDOM mode "AMERICA PHOQUE YEAH!!!, HUMMER has WON these guys over... Tesla has got excellent EV powertrains and batteries. GM with the HUMMER EV has shown that GM is equal to Tesla. Ford with the Mach E has ALSO shown that Ford is equal to Tesla. More products to come from both GM and Ford... Porsche and Audi have fallen short. Really really short with their offerings that are rivals to Tesla's Model S. But Porsche is not a company that likes losing. As seen with the 911 and what Porsche engineering is all about the last 20-30 years, I wouldnt be counting out Porsche so soon if I were you... GM has been in the EV game since the mid-1990s... NOT their first merry-go round with EVs. The Bolt 1st generation was an excellent effort. A REAL attempt for an AFFORDABLE EV for the masses. The Bolt is simply NOT the same type of EV as the Model S or Model 3. The Bolt is the equivalent of an entry level, compact car. Both Model 3 and Model S are more like sports sedans. Enthusiast vehicles rather than utilitarian. Teslas in general are more geared for enthusiast purposes rather than utilitarian. Apples to oranges. EV nerds buy Teslas but most of these nerds are more akin to being boring Toyota and Lexus clientele rather than ultimate driving machine adrenaline junkies... The fact that Tesla EVs gives them a rush is mind boggling to me as these idiots also advocate for self-driving cars... The Mach E was ALSO an excellent 1st effort. It resides in the same realm of Tesla as the Mach E is more of an enthusiast offering. Smack right in between the Model Y and the Model X. And by Ford showing us how the F150 EV will be spec wise, Tesla's advantage of having excellent EV powertrains and batteries is now not so much of a big gap anymore... NOT in a good way... Wrangler sells well because its got a history that dates back to 1939... and it won a war. It won SEVERAL wars... And MANY folk LOVED that about it. And then the marketing machine really kicked in and did its thing and the Wrangler has got a cult following like no other. There are 2 other 4x4s that RIVAL the Wrangler. HUMMER and Bronco. Hummer is an EV while the Bronco is not. Dont matter...Ford has another 4x4 that has a cult following... Its F150...and it WILL be an EV... To say that Ford and GM couldnt compete with Tesla is just...naive.

We don't know those other trucks will be better than the Cybertruck. I don't see GM, Ford or Rivian making a better EV car/SUV than Tesla, and really Porsche hasn't either for that matter either. Tesla knows EV's, I don't think it is so safe to assume that Ford or GM come out with what is basically their 2nd EV effort (after Bolt and Mustang Mach-E) and beat Tesla. Also all those other EV pickups will look the same, the Tesla will stand out, and it will be like how the Wrangler sells well because it is different and there are 10 similar mid-size SUVs out there that all look basically the same.

The Challenger Demon with 770 ft/lb of torque gets by with a ZF 8spd auto. As far as aftermarket GM product, the Hennessy Exorcist has a stock 10 spd auto with 800+ ft/lb tq.

The dash of the last Riv reminds me a bit of the original Riv...it had a prominent console and center stack and leaned back dash, big gauges, etc...

Plus i love the simple layout of it as well….

Cadillac for Cadillac. Montreal style

Intelligent question... One more vintage racing pic, and then I am done for the day...

That is basically what I said, the 911 is better but you pay more for it. Dress up a 911 Turbo S for $225,000 and it is faster and more luxurious than any Corvette. Plus it is Porsche dealership experience vs Chevrolet dealer experience. For even money at $99k when you can get a loaded Corvette vs a bare bones 911, the Corvette is the better buy all day long. But people shopping 911’s or Ferraris are shopping price they want the best car, most exotic, most wow factor, doesn’t matter what it costs. This is why I have long said GM needs a car above the Corvette, make a Cadillac sports car that starts at $200k and can be built up to $400k. Make an electric super car out of carbon fiber or something that has wow factor.

People that can't afford 911's are buying 718's. And maybe some people that want a 718 GT4 that is a track toy and just want a lighter car. I've sat in the CT6, I wouldn't trade that interior for mine. Low quality materials, after 10 years it will look worn out. Also I have a W211 which I think had a better interior than the W212 pictured there, plus I have the V8 car it has the Nappa leather seats and door inserts, so it is nicer than the base model.