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^^^ Saturn Redline V6 was a 3.5 liter Honda V6 Pontiac Vibe had a Toyota 1.8 liter 4 cylinder mid '80s Chevrolet Nova had a Toyota 1.6 liter 4 cylinder Toyota 86 has a Subaru 2.4 liter flat 4 cylinder this generation Toyota Supra has a 3.0 liter inline 6 from BMW Lotus Elise uses a Toyota 1.8 liter 4 cylinder Lotus Evora uses a Toyota 3.5 liter V6 McLaren F1 used a 6 liter BMW V12 Aston Martin uses AMG engines. V12s and V8s. I dont remember what models... Im sure there are other examples. These are from the top of my head that I know about. Honda does not have any EV platforms. Honda could just as easily partner up with another manufacturer that could use the R&D money and engineering sharing that has a platform, maybe BMW, maybe Mercedes, maybe Ford or Stellantis or even Toyota. (Toyota has been known to help fellow Japanese car makers...like Mazda) and GM could just as easily lose out to (sales) Honda in the long run anyway... Might as well partner up, share costs, use Honda brains AND money and sell affordable EVs world wide. GM may have needed solid state battery tech. Or at least to share R&D costs for solid state tech... If GM (and Honda) is to sell affordable EVs, for real, to customers, because as we know EV production is expensive and selling high priced EVs to compensate the costs is not viable as the majority of car owners are not of the wealthy type..then this way is the way. Dont partner up with Honda, Honda will partner up with another, and lose out on potential sales with Honda as your rival.. Partner up with Honda, share costs and engineering, and lose out on potential sales to Honda, but as your partner... Big difference.

Sounds like this isn't that much different than other joint ventures that have been common with automakers for years---different automakers sharing a platform or sharing dirty bits or jointly developing a platform or dirty bits.

How many products will GM have running Ultium before Honda gets it in 2027 to use in their vehicles? More importantly, how soon will GM products using Ultium be available at somewhat affordable prices?

True. And GM's time was almost up in 2009. Ford came up to bat for them. And its not as if Honda is in danger of insolvency either. Plus Honda will not just give up and die. Honda would have found another partner if it wasnt with GM. Like I stated above, Honda as a company has a wide field of expertise and engineering that would be an asset to a joint venture program like say....solid state battery development, which they have been R&D-ing heavily in and Im surprised to learn they are advanced in this tech. GM will be using that tech with Honda in GM's Ultium platform. Sounds like a decent marriage to me. And Honda and GM have worked together in the recent past for hydrogen fuel cells and autonomous driving vehicles for fleet services.

And why should they buy GM? Lemming pool? Generic appliances? All three questions and Im gonna bash GM defending Honda. Yes...Honda builds generic shyte. As does GM. One generic appliance vehicle from GM is no better or worse than from Honda. GM HAD a lemming pool of rabid fanbois. GM pissed that away. GM has tried to get them back. Honda invited them in and these folk have not looked back. Dont blame Honda lemmings. Blame GM corporate big wigs for phoquing it up. Yes. GM is no longer THAT GM anymore. But its too damned bad if Honda fanbois stay with Honda. But the thing that bothers me most about that quote of yours and Balthy's about not sharing with Honda.... Honda has GREAT engineers. Being partnered with Honda is an ASSET for GM. And obviously vice versa. Honda has no EV platforms. They could engineer them. They may not have the cash to do so. HOWEVER, Honda engineers will work with GM engineers when these Ultium platforms become available to them and when enough Honda EVs by Ultium are sold to Honda customer's....Honda engineers could work with GM engineers to IMPROVE upon future Ultium platforms. Honda has a wide wide wide engineering field. It was smart for GM to partner up with Honda... Honda

Toyotas run forever, I am sure the Corolla GR will be reliable.

^ Probably so- the market for a 2-seat sports car is small. After decades upon decades of relative stability in the global auto industry, then a spate of discontinuances circa the early 2000s, I suspect another round of venture failures is in the works - the market overall isn't exponentially-expanding volume-wise... but there are a whole host of intended new OEMs trying to make a go at it (some with severely lopsided expectations). This potential expansion of volume is going to 'carve the pizza' into smaller & smaller slices, AND see some intended OEMs never get off the ground / fail soon after.

Yeah, it would be nice to still have OEMs make niche ICE vehicles XX years from now, even if the fuel prices are pretty nuts, just a nice option.

Not so long ago, the Saturn Vue used the Honda built 3.5L V6 and I guarantee you that most buyers were not even aware of it when they bought. There are plenty of other examples of this but that is the first one that came to my mind. Ford and GM co-opted the 10 speed transmission that is in their current autos and trucks. How many buyers are even aware of any of these things? Not many so save for the car nuts here, it is (again) a non-issue.

Until you had to replace that motor. My best friend had a ‘97 back in the day and when the water pump took a dump, it wrecked the motor as well. Ford wanted $16K to replace that motor. It was still $8K to replace it second hand. Just obscene but not shrouding given that the motor was only ever produced for that one generation SHO.

Many. Olds enumerated a few above. And lots of platforms shared across makers—GM and Toyota, GM and Suzuki, Ford and Mazda, Etc. JVs happen.

1942, I believe in Colorado. U.S. Mail vehicle, purpose-built for excessively muddy areas ~

I've certainly daily-driven non-GM products in the past. But yes; I don't find Euro vehicles appealing.

It peaks torque from 3000rpm to 5500rpm and redline is at 6500rpm. It isn't some crazy, high RPM, screaming engine. The engine in the Yaris is making 20psi and I doubt this is much off of that, and that's not some crazy boost pressure. The ATS-V and it's turbo charged engine is at 18psi from the factory.

@balthazar @surreal1272 @riviera74 One of the benefits of this is that GM was already down the rabbit hole of Lithium-Ion batteries for the Ultium produced autos and Honda had already started work on the all-solid-state batteries of which GM is now able to use as the 2nd generation Ultium battery pack. This co-development is a good thing as GM gets to use Honda engineered all-solid-state batteries and Honda gets access to electric motors / Ultium Platform to eventually get their EVs going. I DOUBT many Honda owners would switch as that Lemming pool seems to be hung up on Honda generic appliances, not saying that some might not be swayed to buy GM, but when I talk with Honda and Acura owners, I have rarely heard anyone say they would buy from GM.

That advantage will still be there. Not sure what part of “2027” you are not getting here. GM has a dozen or so models planned before then and this deal will greatly reduce costs, yet another common practice amongst carmakers seeking mutually beneficial deals. Like I said, a non-issue.

This seems to be potentially awesome. It's quite a ways away from making it to personal vehicles but if all goes well, including the scaling up, this would be a great alternative to crude oil-based gasoline. https://www.motortrend.com/features/porsche-supercup-efuel-direct-air-carbon-capture/ "In the Magallanes region of Chile, strong williwaw winds power extreme low-pressure systems created by the meeting of the Atlantic and Pacific oceans. The wind power consistently available there is roughly four times greater than any place on the European continent, which is one reason the plant is in Chile and not in Europe. The project is a joint effort between HIF (Highly Innovative Fuels), Siemens Energy, ExxonMobil, and the Chilean oil and gas companies ENAP and Empresas Gasco. Once it reaches full commercial capacity in 2026, the plant will be able to produce 1 million tons of green methanol per year, of which a portion will be upconverted to 145 million gallons of gasoline. In the first year, a 3.4-megawatt Siemens Gamesa wind turbine will power a Siemens Silyzer 200 proton-exchange membrane to produce green hydrogen from water via electrolysis at 65 percent efficiency. Commercialization will up the wind power to 2.5 gigawatts (scaling up the electrolysis accordingly), and further efficiency improvements are expected within the next five years. A Global Thermostats system extracts CO2 from the air using an amine-based sorbent coating on a porous ceramic honeycomb matrix. CO2 is periodically "washed off" by low-temperature steam to yield 98 percent pure CO2. Green methanol is then formed by running the hydrogen and CO2 through a Johnson Matthey copper-zinc catalyst. Finally, the methanol is vaporized, superheated, and fed to a fluid-bed reactor where an ExxonMobil catalyst helps convert it to gasoline, with water as a byproduct. (This system seems simpler than the one in my October 2018 column.) The additives and blending required to ensure eFuel can serve as a "drop-in" replacement for crude-based gasoline lowers its carbon intensity figure to around 10, not zero. That still means burning it results in 90 percent less net carbon than standard gasoline, with identical performance properties. What does it cost? Porsche pegs the initial price at 10 euros per liter ($44.73 per gallon as of this writing!) but expects efficiencies of scale and technology to reduce that to $7.57/gallon by 2026. The automaker initially plans to run its race cars on eFuel in the Mobil 1 Porsche Supercup F1 support series but may eventually use it to fill new road cars at the factory as well as the vehicles used at Porsche Experience Centers. The eMethanol produced in the same plant might someday power the ships that deliver new Porsches. But the end game is to ensure there's a carbon-neutral fuel that can power the 70 percent of all Porsches ever built that are still on the road long after the new-car fleet is fully electrified."

Not saying it's never happened but, when was the last time Toyota had issues with an engine failing consistently?

I've stated it numerous times here before. It'd be stupid to change the name of the same model simply because the motive power changes. That'd be like Chevy having 4 different names for the 1/2-ton pickup because it has a 4-cyl gas, a 6-cyl turbodiesel, one 8-cyl gas or another 8-cyl gas engine.

Awesome lighting (backlit?) ambience. Old school HI-FI stereo system style in a car that has not only influenced todays LED automobile dashboard lighting, but today's high end HI FI systems. Old School New School What is old is new again.

I know Lincoln used a BMW diesel in the '70s. The toyoter 86 has a Subaru engine... but these are both niche sub-segments. A -say- compact CUV has a huge potential volume in comparison. What are some other examples? - - - - - I see an issue once an 'Ultium Equinox' and an 'Ultium CR-V' (or whatever) are in the same segment/space, that whereas Utium could have swayed the sale to GM... instead it will go to Honda. I mean; that's GOING to happen, and that's a lost sale to GM.

I believe singular engines here isn't a direct parallel (despite me bringing that example up). Ultium (according to GM) will power ALL their products at some point ("soon"), and it would empower GM sales to maintain all Ultium production for themselves - they should 'shut honda out' if honda has no suitable competition. There's also a question of having suitable volume/supply for GM in this era. GM has ONE vehicle currently out on Ultium, and they're already agreeing to sell the powertrain to a competitor.

Just as GM and Toyota worked together in bringing us the Pontiac Vibe and Toyota Matrix, GM and Honda now plan to bring us a series of affordable EVs targeting the world's most popular vehicle segment, SUVs. To quote Doug Parks, GM executive VP, Global Product Development, Purchasing and Supply Chain. “Our plans include a new all-electric product for North America positioned at a price point lower than the upcoming Chevrolet Equinox EV, building on the 2 million units of EV capacity the company plans to install by the end of 2025.” New EV series planned to go on sale in 2027 starting in North America Honda and GM collaboration designed to enable global production of millions of EVs Companies will explore opportunities for advanced battery collaboration The crossover segment is the largest in the world with an annual volume exceeding 13 million vehicles. By standardization of equipment, processes to achieve world-class quality, higher throughput and greater affordability, GM and Honda believe they can deliver a bigger portfolio of EVs to the global market. GM is already working on new battery technologies for the Ultium platform like Lithium-metal, Silicon and Solid-state batteries along with production methods that can quickly be used to improve and update battery cell manufacturing processes. Honda is making progress on its all-solid-state battery technology which Honda has stated is a core element of future EVs. Honda has established a demonstration line in Japan for all-solid-state batteries and is working on the mass-production line. GM and Honda will share their technologies, design and manufacturing strategies to deliver affordable, desirable EVs on a Global scale starting with North America, South America and China. Honda and GM both believe this mutual work together will allow the companies to reach their carbon neutral goals faster. To quote Shinji Aoyama, Honda Senior Managing Executive Officer: "The progress we have made with GM since we announced the EV battery development collaboration in 2018, followed by co-development of electric vehicles including the Honda Prologue, has demonstrated the win-win relationship that can create new value for our customers,” “This new series of affordable EVs will build on this relationship by leveraging our strength in the development and production of high quality, compact class vehicles.” Honda joined GM's EV battery module development efforts in 2018, then in 2020 Honda and GM announced plans to co-develop two EVs, Honda Prologue and the Acura's first EV SUV to be announced soon. The companies have expanded this working relationship as they have their ongoing relationship with Cruise and are working together on the development of the Cruise Origin, one of the first purpose-built fully autonomous vehicles designed for driverless ride-hail and delivery. One could say the future looks bright for GM and Honda on the Ultium platform. GM and Honda Will Codevelop Affordable EVs Targeting the World’s Most Popular Vehicle Segments View full article