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I have three tripods... One cheap one, one Bogen and one Manfrotto. I would go Manfrotto I think they have the best tripods.

The truck idea is a good one.

I just enjoy debating. However I agree to disagree.

I do believe I do have a pretty good clue. Either way we have been safe because of tough policy. Another 9/11 hasn't happend so something must have been working.

Good to know. Thanks for update Ted.

I am giving up on this topic because clearly people don't want to be tough on the worst people in the world.

I'll be the judge when I sit in one at the Chicago autoshow. If I got one it would be cloth anyways.

Oldsmobloi is right on this. Toyota had poor planing just like GM. They deserve this those greedy anti-American bastards.

+1-Give me better Chevy's, Buick's, Pontiac's, Cadillac's, GMC's etc.

Loved the outside styling. The refresh was good but it never could sell like an SL. Having said that I am very said to see it go because the MCE helped alot, but honestly I see why it is going. If the priced it right like in 60's they actually might have sold better.

That is what scares me.

Well I live in Iowa so yes I am in middle America and on a dead end street. Still I don't see any reason to "easy" some of the people whom have done and could do some of the most damage to our country and the world sorry. I just disagree, totally. As for more fuel economy standards I don't really think it is a good idea, just like CAFE.

You are a goof. I did get a B-Ville as promised to myself. A G8 or a Camaro could be added to my stable someday. Not in 2009 or 2010 prolly. More like 2011 or 2012. :AH-HA_wink: You never know I might suprise you.

Your one of those people who want to be nice to the most evil people in the world. No sir you don't get it, glad Clinton is Secretary of State and not you. Honestly people this extreme scare me. No your right lets give these crimials some of the worst in the world the same rights we have and treat them like royalty. FYI I have never broken a law like that or done anything so bad as to put in Gitmo in the first place. Were not gasing them or whipping them, to me it is an acceptable form of punishment and a good way to get people to talk and HELP KEEP THIS COUNTRY SAFE. Since 9/11 on G.W.B's watch how many attacks on America happend? Just a simple question... IF you admit none something is really working to keep this country safe, why risk it now? God Help this Country. One week down 207 more to go.

One could may very well becoming... Before UNCLE SAM takes them away for good. In the form of a G8 GT or Camaro SS. If I don't get one my son will. Wait a minute I shouldn't have to defend my vehicles, mine are all GM. No silly VW's. The main reason I don't have one is I wanted the last Bonneville and wasn't sure if Pontiac would get a fullsize sedan again, they did with the great G8, second my wife wanted a small SUV try as I might to her into a Tahoe she wanted a Equinox and I said sure we'll do a Torrent. I put my money where my mouth is. I said back in 2003 I would own a Bonneville before they go away and I did. Don't worry about me. When are you buying your first new GM car BV? As for my cars since you asked... In order of year not ownership... 1971 Pontiac Bonneville Sedan 455ci. V8 Aztec Gold/Cream Colored Top 1973 Chevrolet Nova SS (Hatch) 350ci. V8 4spd. Black/White SS stripes 1977 Pontiac Bonneville 301ci. V8 Mojave Beige-Tan/Cream Colored Top 1987 Olds Delta 88 231ci. (3.8 ) V6 Maroon 1990 Pontiac Grand Prix LE Sedan 191ci. (3.1) V6 White 1992 Cadillac Sedan Deville 300ci. (4.9) V8 White 2001 Chevrolet Impala Sedan 204ci. (3.4) V6 Sand Drift Beige (current) 2005 Pontiac Bonneville SLE 231ci. (3.8 ) V6 Cranberry Red Metallic (current) 2007 Pontiac Torrent FWD 204ci. (3.4) V6 Purple Haze Metallic (current) Dare I say I have owned far more sporty and fun cars than you. Coming next will be a 2006-2007 Monte Carlo Coupe or a 2002-2004 Cadillac Seville with a Northstar.... Someday later maybe a G8 GT or a Camaro SS possibly even a new Buick LaX... As for PCS he knows this I will support GM until end unless they pull something stupid.

No I am not using "Hitler tactics" waterboarding is not some form of extreme punishment like many on the extreme left want us to think. If waterboarding gets information out of people and helps keep this country safe then I am all for it. FYI Bush wasn't the first to do things like this to get information out of people. I do not support killing one religon of people like Hitler did, how could you even compare this to Hitler? Seirously we don't have gas chambers and where do you want to put the Gitmo folks? Do you really want them going home and fighting us in the war on terror? Living in your back yard? Many folks have been down to Gitmo and say how civil the staff is to the people who stay there. Call me a crazy right winger or a traditionalist, fine. Just don't compare some tough policy on people who could harm this country Hitler like. There is a reason why Gitmo is there and the people in there are there for a REASON. Obama and company including some more moderate republicans want to just enforce laws like CAFE and this is because the consumer doesn't want to buy vehicles like this that get GREAT fuel economy. Let the market drive the choice, I don't understand people who actually think right now or at anytime that this would be a good idea. It is GOING TO KILL CARS LIKE... The Challenger, Camaro, G8, Mustang, Charger, 300, CTS, STS, XLR (already has I believe), Corvette, Viper (might already be dead) and next will come trucks like the Tundra (sure go ahead and get rid of that ugly piece) and then Sierra, Silverado, F-Series and Ram, and Titan. You just wait, I just don't want the goverment telling me what I should drive. I also want to protect my nation from people who are a risk to our nation defense and Bush kept us safe with such things as waterboarding... So why would we risk it now? Just saying the people who are in Gitmo aren't people you want living next door to you and nor should they be treated that nicely. The Bush Admin has been tough on them, but not to the point everyone wants to say on this forum. History will have a very different outlook on Bush than many do now. I just hope all this talk in the admin isn't going to be a second coming of the new deal or should I say raw deal. Didn't work then, won't work now. I am for giving tax cuts to everyone who pays taxes not welfare checks to the poor. The middle and upper classes create more jobs and buy way more products. Sorry boys I have to disagree and agree to disagree. I do like healthly debate but I am getting tired. As for the Hitler comment that is plain crazy... So to a certain extent I have to agree with Ocn on this whole thread deal. Good Night. Also last thought if John McCain would have proposed something so stupid I would have been pissed off too for the record. It is far beyond a dem/rep thing it is an issue of taking away consumer freedom and choice, hurting GM and comapny and getting rid of fun RWD **V8 powered** cars so many of us loved...

That is too funny. GM does build on hell of performance car if they try. Congrats and well deserved.

This is way to funny. Trust me they don't want use to have Challengers or Camaros.

I totally agree. I do feel bad for people who do it.

Ted is right. I have had lots of this in my life. Go see her take off, work even if your down to your last dollar do it. That is something you won't regret. Just talk like old times trust me. Make every attempt possible and I have seen my family not be around when someone dies and it sucks big time. Don't think about it, just go see her that is what I would suggest. Sorry to hear about the sad news, you'll be in my thoughts.

I think you'll cave and get a GM Truck seriously or do a classic GM car and screw new cars like XP said.

I traded my 1990 GP Sedan LE with only one covered and hardly noticeable spot after and a small dent and 115K for $250.00... My 1992 Deville in the summer of 2005 with 95K and in perfect shape no rust one small crack in the leather (not bad tho) for only $1,500.00 I considered those deals. If that puppy was a TURBO it would be pretty cool actually. My sons friend a year and half ago sold a 1993 Cav Z34 'Vert black on black 3.1 needed a top and some paint work (patching from rust) clean interior and drove great for $750.00 with only 80K!

I think he is amusing as hell, but he should go. It is sad to see how this all happend and had he been honest and not so dumb as to sell a senate seat this never would have happend.

Yes this is my good news for the day aside of the goverement wanting to mandate more fuel economy and forcing me to drive a "green car". This is excellent news.

Ata girl.