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I knew who it was posted by with just reading the title. It is a one-sided piece of $h! all right. I really could care less about Opel, if they were so great then Saturns would be flying off lots. If it wasn't for GM Opel wouldn't be where it is today. This makes me believe GM should kill Opel and make them Chevrolets in Europe.

WMJ I am loving it.

It can go both ways still they need to get costs in line.

Honestly in this day and age Unions in private corperations like GM should go. Simple it would literally save them. It could mean the difference between life and death. As for public/gov't Unions I really don't have nearly any problem with them. As for the BIG THREE THEY NEED TO GO.

Sorry to hear about this. It is sad to see another GM dealer go under. Best of luck with finding a new job. Better days are ahead for GM and this country.

Last thought and if the Union workers really cared about a great American company and industry they would stop asking for more realize there loyal employeer is in trouble and stop F*CKING themselves. Yet many of those selfish pigs can't see past there G*D DAMN self. They don't realize they might not have a job. So no job or less pay and no union. The choice would be easy for me.

SMK I think I am actually partically agreeing with you. There was a time and a place when Union was needed. It was when folks were being over-worked and underpaid. Now that is not the case, the UAW always has there hand out, GM can not afford to keep feeding this pig. Anymore Unions aren't needed in this country, because of the standard of living and oppertunites. At one point I could find a good reason for a Union. If the UAW goes away GM can get its costs back down and EASILY become more profitable with NO NEW PRODUCT. It is amazing they have done so well for so long with a mix of good/unattractive product and high wages for Union workers. When the average hourly wage a Honda/Toyota in American is 30 or so dollars less you have a huge problem. The workers that get canned when they file chapter 11 will need a job and come back with no Union. I think it would be the only way to fix GM and get them back on the road to profitablity. Seriously, or as much as it hurts me to say this they will die. The Union is killing them, the lack of fuel efficent product and questionable workmanship for a few years cost them. It is sad but I still recall what happend in a harbor in the pacfic some 60 years ago. I never forget and that is why I DRIVE AMERICAN. (Not because of the Unions!) I do wonder if the stupid Ron doesn't realize it that he is only shooting himself in the foot asking for more and more. GM can't do more and more. The need to do less and pay a fair wage to get there costs back down or closer to Toyota and Honda if they want to live into the next century. If all this is done with strings attached to the bailout for R&D etc, and to invest in America I say go for it. I do not want ANY fuel economy standards attached that would be a deal breaker. My point is in the auto industry amoung many others UNIONS aren't needed Honda and Toyota pay fair wages and give decent benefits without the Union and SO CAN GM. It is not the product anymore or the lack of efficent vehicles like it used to be in is just the F*CKING UNION. Don't kid yourselfs they are killing this great American company. I am a true GM lover and belief deeply in North American industry but the Union has to stop this because they are literally going to kill GM if something can't be done. This is sad and I predicted it would come to this. KILL THE UAW. REORGANIZE WITHOUT THE UNION. PAY A FAIR WAGE WITH RESONABLE PERKS AND DEVELOPE NEW CLASSY CARS LIKE THE MALIBU, CTS, ENCLAVE and G8 AND MOVE ON. IT CAN BE DONE, BUT THE UNION MUST DIE. DIRTY BASTARDS.

That is pretty cool.

I wouldn't have the heart go get rid of the mothertruck. Having said that I'd get rid of the Camino because you plan on getting a G8 ST right? Do you want two of the same (odd but cool) body-style? It is up to you the wagon is sweet as well. I would keep them all. :AH-HA_wink:

I say Pontiac and Buick stay you can get rid of the rest. Pontiac's product is more unique than GMC's, Chevrolet truck's are GMC. I still would hate to see GMC go because they attract a different kind of buyer. Saturn is a failure just like McCain's campigen. Saab is pointless in the US anyway so can them as well. I don't care about seller loyality.

Yet another reason I didn't want Obama in he is a big union guy. Aside of that the only way to get rid of the Unions is let them file chapter 11, then hire folks back at resonable wages without the god-d*mned union. Sure you won't make cars for six months but it would work. The union wants more than they can't have, more and GM can't give them more. If there is anything pulling GM down it is the Union. I want the bail-out but if given they need to promise to restructure. If they just give them the money nothing will happen more of the same. Don't get me wrong I love GM and I have alot of pride in American products but honestly just throwing them more money is not the answer. Simple answer no Union will fix Gm seriously.

I had heard of it. Same they didn't do it.

Well look at my fleet none of them are small. LOL Honestly I prefer cars that aren't the size of a cracker-jack box either. That is why I own two fullsizers and an SUV. Hopefully my next will be live real axle V6 powered pony car aka Firebird.

I am just suprised as spy photographer whom auto lovers (like me) worship and that you post around here. Fox News obviously thought it was important and used your photos. Gosh that would be a sweet job.

I will be getting a 2000-2002 L36 Firebird in the spring or an SSE for another car for my son and one to play in on the weekend. That is why the 'Bird is looking more likely.

I didn't think it did. Honestly did you take those photos?

The Coopers are neat little cars. For the same money I'd rather have a used GTO or G8 GT tho... If I wanted fun to drive that is.

Could this be the next DTS? Or is it just a STS grille with Escalade lights and handles and an STS rear end? I am trying to figure this thing out, and obviously it is on the HD truck platform with rear leaf springs.

Very true. You smart a$$. :AH-HA_wink:

I think both of you are way too deep into graphics cards.

Holy $h! that is a graphics card. Well I will be thrilled with my baby 8400 GS and the 2510 when it arrives early December.

That card will kick ass.

Next car is prolly going to be a 1998-1999 Bonneville SSE (L36 with Torque Stars and LOW MILES) or more likely everyday a 2000-2002 Pontiac Firebird Coupe/T-Top with the L36 no LS1 *the car is for my son during the week and I am not paying insurance on an LS1* with factory 16' chrome wheels I could be happy with a stick or an automatic. I do want low miles and clean, no rust non-smoker and something in my 6-8K price range. My son upon graduation in a few years if he lands a decent job will have a new Camaro (saves me from buying one) he will prolly do a stripper LS with a stick or a loaded LT2 RS with a stick or a stripper 1SS with the automatic. (He would do the V8 with an auto because of AFM and all.) For me a G8 is possible and if they do DI in the 3.6 that would be perfect although the GT is calling me. I would love a GXP but I won't spend that much money unless it is a Cadilac someday like a DTS or STS. The other thing I will have my eye on is the new Malibu but I will see. Although a G6 with the 2.4L and six speed has some appeal as well. I am betting my next new-new car will come around in prolly 6-8 years seeing that I have to get kids through college. In the spring or summer I plan to have an SSE or a 'Bird but after that I will be done with car for at least 4 or 5 years I am almost positive. The fleet will be pretty well set. As for my son he has to have a new Camaro and that will happen before I buy something new I bet. I will have to wait and see. I do keep my cars along time I had my GP for 17 years! For the reccord my SLE is never leaving my family. I will either keep it or my son for a yes, a classic. If its needs to be restored someday my son loves that car and he will do it. That is the last year for Bonneville and the hardest trim to find by far. I am guessing less than 3,000 left the factory in SLE trim.

Raven and that is what smart dealers do.

Really? It used to be more and yes newegg is much cheaper than say Staples or Office Depot.