gm4life

Agreed.

GM gave in to the UAW too much and the UAW asked for too much and they don't have 50 percent market like they did when they could pay great wages and health care packages they once did. The UAW has been in a fantasy world for nearly 20 years and they need to get a taste of the real world. Lower wages and less perks just like the execs should as well. I like the fact they want to help the industy but loans should be given no strings attached and they should get rid of CAFE let the market decide what they want not the Goverment. The Goverment also practiced bad trade policy, I think the republicans have a good plan and this another example of Bush letting down the more conservative folks. Oh but wait isn't goverment the answer to our problems, many believe that but I don't. I don't want a car czar or a bunch of "green strings" attached. I support the loans only with no strings attached, if not go with what the republicans proposed or go into chapter 11 like everyother company because long term that is best for GM. I can't believe how ignorant some people sound that the republicans actually want to screw the American car compaines... No they want them to live, and not to have to keep asking for goverment money. I would advise you to actually think why any political figure dem or repub would want to hurt America? I just want the GOVERMENT TO STOP solving my problems, telling me what kind of car to drive and let the FREE market decide. Obama is a big Union boy and will give 'em the money fact is it will prolong the process and they will still need to file chapter 11. I can see it now all of you liberal car people rooting for the money and the car czar saying no Challenger, no Charger, no G8 GXP, no Camaro, Mustang GT, and Corvette. Then telling them to build all bland Prius/Camry wanta-be's. Just wait they'll get the money not make enough changes still need to file for chapter 11 and in addition have to build a bunch of wussy ass econ/liberal green cars. ^This was posted by me in another thread, it applies perfectly here as well... Many might not like to hear it but I think its the truth...^ Just too add as well the Unions need to get the same wages and perks/healthcare as the forigen compaines in America, by the start of 2009 or very soon or it may be the end. Fear not that won't happen they will figure it out and become cost competitive but the more control we give the goverment the less fun cars GM will be able to build. The Union didn't clearly want to give enough so the democrats made it sound like the republicans were just screwing the Union, not true the republicans want GM/Ford/Chrysler to be sucessful but without goverment help or addition goverment mandates that never work like CAFE. The Union is the one screwing GM and the GM is letting the Union screw them. There is blame on both sides so GM better get its execs in line with small pay checks and less perks and especially the Union and this needs to happen now. The sooner it happens to sooner and more likely we will see a stronger and healthier GM. The money sounded good but when you read behind the minimal changes the Unions were willing to make it was apparent it was a bailout for the Unions that have been out of touch with the country for nearly 20 years. Sorry, I flipped back and forth on this one and the more and more I read the more I opposed it. This plan would have only helped the Union out for a little while along with GM and then they would still need file chapter 11 and the Union woudl still need to get real with resonable perks/healthcare aka becoming cost competitive same thing with all those damn legacy costs. Don't be fooled for those of you who can't see past a few billion dollars then I am sorry but you weren't looking at what really has been going on at GM for the past 20 years. When the Japan Inc. came in and made decent cars (ugly and slow yes) but for less money with decent quality while GM was over paying workers and giving out nice perks, and not sinking money into product. (Like the should have been.) So the Toyota/Honda wouldn't be ass whomping them sales wise today, today the problem is not the products GM has which are pretty good it is the Unions deals/Exec perks. THAT IS A FACT.

Oddly enough I find myself agreeing with SMK... Scary but your right on as well.

I couldn't agree more with you. You are right on the money, for those who say it was to screw the Unions you are so full of it. The Unions thought scaring the public/politicans would be enough to pass it so they would only have to change a few things, no no the Union needs to change alot of things. The Union is the one screwing GM, they need to become cost competitive at the start of 2009 or else it is the end, not just wages but legacy and all other costs. Or your right GM is going under. Seriously. But that won't happen, Forbes was saying they can come back and stronger than ever this was a great first step. I want GM to get money but the UAW needed to agree to have the same health care plans and wages as non-Union workers at other American plants. It is that simple then GM can make money and have more money to develope better products. Sorry I want them to have money only if the Union and GM execs adjust the Union especially wasn't ready to do that. So good for them I am glad to see one of my reps actually represented me. I repeat it wasn't about screwing the Unions it was about getting the Unions to agree to actually compete with Toyota/Honda/Benz/BMW etc. on wages/perks so GM can make money and start now. That is why the republicans voted it down. I am glad they did it will be better for GM in the long term. I understand why so many are upset but they need to file chapter 11 and this only prolonged that. If you want to see a stronger GM maybe not tomorrow but around in another 100 years oposing it was the right thing to do. It was a Union bailout plain and simple.

Have had two weeks and I love it. Got rid of the Lenovo and this thing is fast. I also am loving the larger display/glossy screen with the higher resolution. The graphics are alot better as well. So is the battery life.

A nice 68-72 Chevy 1/2 ton pickup that has been lifted and modded tastefully. Also saw a 2008 or 2009 Avalon that still had temp plates on it being towed behind a tow truck... Hmmm prolly was a lemon.

Pretty darn good in my brothers 2008 Impala LTZ, that car moves really well. I talked him out of Camry and then he thought he wanted a Malibu LTZ (then just on the lots) but got such a deal on an Impala he couldn't turn it down.

My wife has family in Houston, and they were up over thanksgiving recalling when the last time it snowed. Looks like they got some.

Yup. That sucks.

Good luck finishing the Mothertruck.

Buick is changing ever since the Lucerne and Enclave I have some faith in the brand.

I found some photos on GM Media and I really like this thing a six speed stick and a tubo GN model would be great.

I want goverment to be responsible, but for goverment not for compaines.

Some generalizations were made about republicans too. Read above in my quote. Most dems (the politicans) anyways want all this green $h! and I don't. Yes all democrats aren't liberal but that is the trend. A moderate or conservative democrat hardly exist. DodgeFan I was really reacting to the silly things someone post at the start of the thread...

No there isn't a chance in hell.

Great car, they sure don't build 'em like they used too.

68 makes a great point.

Dems aren't the party they were with JFK! It is hard to find a moderate dem save for Hillary Clinton... But dems became LIBERAL and switched from the party of JFK to Jimmy Carter and I changed along with them. I once was a democrat and proud of it. My father voted D his life until Jimmy Carter and voted for republican ever since. If you think the dems are the party for the common man your really full of it. I am middle class and a proud Republican. GM gave in to the UAW too much and the UAW asked for too much and they don't have 50 percent market like they did when they could pay great wages and health care packages they once did. The UAW has been in a fantasy world for nearly 20 years and they need to get a taste of the real world. Lower wages and less perks just like the execs should as well. I like the fact they want to help the industy but loans should be given no strings attached and they should get rid of CAFE let the market decide what they want not the Goverment. The Goverment also practiced bad trade policy, I think the republicans have a good plan and this another example of Bush letting down the more conservative folks. Oh but wait isn't goverment the answer to our problems, many believe that but I don't. I don't want a car czar or a bunch of "green strings" attached. I support the loans only with no strings attached, if not go with what the republicans proposed or go into chapter 11 like everyother company because long term that is best for GM. I can't believe how ignorant some people sound that the republicans actually want to screw the American car compaines... No they want them to live, and not to have to keep asking for goverment money. I would advise you to actually think why any political figure dem or repub would want to hurt America? I just want the GOVERMENT TO STOP solving my problems, telling me what kind of car to drive and let the FREE market decide. Obama is a big Union boy and will give 'em the money fact is it will prolong the process and they will still need to file chapter 11. I can see it now all of you liberal car people rooting for the money and the car czar saying no Challenger, no Charger, no G8 GXP, no Camaro, Mustang GT, and Corvette. Then telling them to build all bland Prius/Camry wanta-be's. Just wait they'll get the money not make enough changes still need to file for chapter 11 and in addition have to build a bunch of wussy ass econ/liberal green cars.

Right on. Since people seem to saying how out of touch republicans are and how they are f***ing the American people and compaines I will jump in as well... I wasn't going to get political but the way a few people have decided to bash the right I have to get in it.

I like this idea.

Sad but is it true... More for everyone including Toyota if it is true...

No police department will be able to afford them.

Right on the liberal kool-aid drinking tree huggers want to take away everything from Christmas to our history aka cool old cars. Up your ass you dirty bastards

Face it Olds could have been a Lexus killer, but money was going to $h! like Saturn and Hummer. Two brands GM never should have had.