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Cadillac News: 2022 Cadillac CT4 and CT5 Blackwing Bring A Performance Edge


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After months of rumors and spy photos, Cadillac finally spilled the beans on their new high-performance CT4 and CT5 Blackwing. These new models are planned to give German rivals a bruising when they start arriving at dealers later this summer. Here is what we know.

CT4 Blackwing

The smaller of the two Blackwing models starts with a twin-turbo 3.6L V6 engine with 472 horsepower and 445 pound-feet of torque. To achieve this power, Cadillac upgraded the various internals with titanium connecting rods and a revised crankshaft. Power is routed to the rear-wheels by either a six-speed manual or ten-speed automatic. Performance figures are impressive with a 0-60 mph time of 3.8 seconds (automatic transmission) and a top speed of 189 mph.

In terms of handling, the CT4 Blackwing features an electronic limited-slip rear differential and latest version of Magnetic Ride Control 4.0 - Cadillac claims the latter is the quickest-reacting suspension in the world. A set of Michelin Pilot Sport 4S tires keep the vehicle glued to the road, while optional optional carbon ceramic brakes bring it to a quick stop.

Visually, the CT4 Blackwing uses a new grille with larger openings to gobble up more air; functional fender vents, front splitter, and a rear spoiler. A carbon fiber package that claims to reduce aerodynamic lift by 214 percent is an option.

CT5 Blackwing

For those who want something a bit more mad can direct their attention to the CT5 Blackwing. Under its hood lies a massaged 6.2L supercharged V8 engine with 668 horsepower and 659 pound-feet of torque. Again, power is routed to the rear-wheels via a six-speed manual or ten-speed automatic. 0-60 mph takes 3.7 seconds (automatic transmission) and can cruise towards 200-plus mph. 

What does this massaged V8 engine have? For starters. there's a larger supercharger (1.7-liters), aluminum cylinder heads, titanium intake valves, and improved airflow. 

Like the CT4, the CT5 Blackwing gets Magnetic Ride Control 4.0 and electronic limited-slip rear differential. A set of forged 19-inch wheels exclusive to the Blackwing come wrapped in a set of Michelin Pilot Sport 4S tires. 

Outside, a new grille with larger openings to allow for more air, front splitter, and rear spoiler are the key changes to note. A carbon fiber package is optional.

How Much?

The CT4 Blackwing will set you back $59,990, and the larger CT5 Blackwing will cost $84,990. Both prices include a $995 destination charge. You can head down to your nearest Cadillac dealer to place a pre-order for either model right now.

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V-Series Blackwing: Ultimate Track Capability, Zero Compromise

  • The 2022 Cadillac CT4-V Blackwing and CT5-V Blackwing, two of the most powerful Cadillacs ever, raise the bar on performance

The 2022 Cadillac CT5-V Blackwing and CT4-V Blackwing represent the pinnacle of Cadillac performance and craftsmanship, leveraging championship-winning racing heritage to create the most track-capable Cadillacs ever, while continuing to set new standards for luxury and comfort.

Leveraging a Cadillac racing history that began in 1949 and has seen sustained success over the last two decades, the V-Series Blackwing models were developed with driver engagement and performance at the top of mind.

“V-Series Blackwing stands for the very highest level of execution from Cadillac and offers a distinctly American vision of performance: incredible power and luxurious craftsmanship, with absolutely zero compromise,” said Brandon Vivian, executive chief engineer, Cadillac. “We looked to our championship-winning racing heritage and brought an uncompromising eye for detail to create two cars that elevate the V-Series experience.”

V-Series Blackwing vehicles build on the already excellent performance dynamics of the CT5-V and CT4-V to create the top tier of the Cadillac sedan lineup.

Highlights include:

  • Evolutions of the track-ready Cadillac 6.2L Supercharged V8 in the CT5-V Blackwing and 3.6L Twin-Turbo V6 in the CT4-V Blackwing
  • Upgraded TREMEC six-speed manual transmission standard
  • Available 10-speed automatic transmission
  • Electronic Limited Slip Rear Differential enhanced to reduce mass and improve on-track reliability
  • Advanced suspension refinements providing greater body control and a more agile feel
  • Magnetic Ride Control 4.0, the world’s fastest reacting suspension technology, sharpening the balance between daily-driving comfort and high-performance track capability
  • Unique structural enhancements improving steering response and handling on the track
  • Cadillac’s largest ever factory-installed brakes, available on the CT5-V Blackwing
  • Extensive validation including 12-hour and 24-hour track testing
  • Customizable integrated digital gauge cluster with Custom Launch Control and Performance Traction Management settings

Liberating performance
The CT5-V Blackwing uses an upgraded 6.2L supercharged V8 that, thanks to a higher flow air-intake and revised exhaust system, is rated at 668 horsepower (498 kW) and 659 lb-ft of torque (893 Nm), making it the most powerful production Cadillac ever. Each engine is hand-built at GM’s Bowling Green Assembly facility in Kentucky and features a signed engine builder’s plate.

The CT4-V Blackwing sports an evolution of the Cadillac 3.6L Twin-Turbo V6 that features revised control system software and an improved air intake system to create 472 horsepower (352 kW) and 445 lb-ft of torque (603 Nm). The turbos’ low-inertia (titanium-aluminide) turbine wheels enable more precise and responsive application of torque throughout the rev range.

Highlighted features and output:

  • CT5-V Blackwing: 6.2L Supercharged V8 - 668 hp, 659 lb-ft of torque
    • GM-estimated top track speed: over 200 mph
    • GM-estimated 0-60 mph: 3.7 seconds (automatic transmission)
    • Most powerful Cadillac ever
    • Air intake airflow is improved by 46 percent vs. the CTS-V
    • Compact, high-output 1.7L four-lobe Eaton supercharger with small-diameter rotors that enable boost to be generated earlier in the rpm band for instantaneous response
    • Rotocast A356T6 aluminum cylinder heads are stronger and handle heat better than conventional aluminum-alloy heads
    • Lightweight titanium intake valves
    • Track-capable wet-sump oiling and vent system with external oil separator and drainback
  • CT4-V Blackwing: 3.6L Twin-Turbo V6 - 472 hp, 445 lb-ft of torque
    • GM-estimated top speed: 189 mph
    • GM-estimated 0-60 mph: 3.8 seconds (automatic transmission)
    • Most powerful and fastest Cadillac in the subcompact class
    • Air intake restriction is improved by 39 percent vs. the ATS-V
    • Turbocharger compressors matched for peak efficiency at peak power for optimal track performance
    • Titanium connecting rods (manual transmission only) and revised crankshaft counterweights reduce main/rod bearing reciprocating loads
    • Re-targeted piston oil squirters, which direct engine oil at the bottoms of the pistons, for improved temperature control
    • The manifold-integrated water-to-air charge cooling system contributes to more immediate torque response
    • Airflow routing volume is reduced by 60 percent when compared to a conventional design that features a remotely mounted heat exchanger

Track-capable braking systems
Both V-Series Blackwing models feature advanced high-performance braking systems that have been extensively track and road-tested. The exclusive V-Series Blackwing wheel designs enable an even larger rotor over the previous CTS-V, making the CT5-V Blackwing braking system the largest factory-installed brakes in Cadillac history. Additionally, an available carbon-ceramic brake package for the CT5-V Blackwing, featuring cross-drilled rotors, deliver several benefits including weight savings, durability and heat management.

Highlighted features:

  • CT4-V Blackwing: 14.96 x 1.34-inch (380 X 34 mm) front rotors and 13.4 x 1.1-inch (340.5 x 28 mm) rear rotors
  • CT5-V Blackwing: 15.67 x 1.42-inch (398 X 36 mm) front rotors and 14.7 x 1.1-inch (373.5 x 28 mm) rear rotors
  • Staggered Brembo® six-piston front calipers and four-piston rear calipers
  • Available on the CT5-V Blackwing, the lightweight carbon-ceramic brake package significantly improves heat management, as well as greater resistance to wear under extreme conditions on the racetrack, while also reducing unsprung mass and rotating mass:
    • 53-pound (24 kg) reduction in unsprung weight
    • 62-pound (28 kg) reduction in rotating mass
  • High-performance copper-free brake linings comply with California law and deliver superior fade resistance with an excellent pedal feel on and off the track
  • Brake systems are integrated to each vehicles’ selectable drive modes, including brake pedal feel. Brake pedal feel can also be assigned within My-Mode and V-Mode

Manual transmission is standard
Rare for sport sedans today, a six-speed TREMEC manual transmission is standard on both vehicles. It has been optimized for each V-Series Blackwing vehicle to provide an engaging experience on the track or on the road. Details include:

  • LuK twin-disc clutch for high torque capacity and great pedal feel
  • Active Rev Matching accessible via a console mounted toggle switch to automatically adjust engine speed to match anticipated downshifts
  • No-Lift Shift allowing the driver to shift gears without letting off the gas pedal. In the case of the CT4-V Blackwing, it allows the turbos to remain spooled, resulting in faster lap times
  • Transmission and rear differential cooling – the manual and automatic transmissions use the same track-performance cooling system for greater track performance
  • Clutch and brake pedals positioned for optimal driver ergonomics
  • A physical barrier stop for the clutch pedal rather than a hydraulic master cylinder stop provides greater driver feedback during clutch operation
  • A shorter shifter ratio than previous generations for more precise shifts

Ten-speed automatic transmission
The CT5-V Blackwing and CT4-V Blackwing are available with a 10-speed electronically controlled automatic transmission. It is tuned to complement the dual-personality experience of each respective model.

Highlighted features:

  • Tap Shift/Manual Mode allowing the driver to use integrated magnesium paddle shifters to select a gear and hold it until selecting the next gear, up or down
  • Sport Mode providing real-time interpretation of driving conditions, adjusting the transmission to reduce shift busyness and improve performance, while retaining aggressive driving dynamics
  • Twenty-four-hour track testing resulted in several improvements in response to the demands of a high-g track environment, including a unique oil pan design and priority valve changes
  • Unique control systems with performance calibrations tailored for each model
  • Ten forward gears offer the most available transmission speeds in each sedans’ respective segments, helping keep the engines within their optimal rpm bands, while also anticipating the next shifts
  • Dynamic Performance Mode is calibrated specifically for V-Series Blackwing to deliver track focused shift patterns and automatically activates when high-g forces are experienced in Sport or Track mode
  • An auxiliary pump primes the automatic transmission system from the time the vehicle door is opened for improved cold-shift performance.

Both V-Series Blackwing models also feature an enhanced Electronic Limited Slip Rear Differential. It weighs less and has been optimized for each driving mode and each Performance Traction Management setting.

Highlighted features:

  • More control of the rear differential compared to traditional open and mechanical limited-slip differentials
  • Enhances road grip by automatically allocating torque to the rear wheel with the most traction during hard cornering — with the capability of sending up to 1,475 lb-ft (2,000 Nm) of locking torque across the axle
  • High-performance differential cooler
  • An aluminum housing replacing the previous generation cast iron housing, reducing mass by more than 22 pounds (10 kg)
  • Exclusive integrated heat exchanger for enhanced cooling

Advanced suspension systems and strengthened chassis
V-Series Blackwing combines the fourth generation of Magnetic Ride Control (MR 4.0), with improvements to the front and rear suspension systems. Stiffer spring rates, unique hollow stabilizer bars, higher-rate bushings and more enable a driving experience that isolates the driver from road imperfections, while also providing a precise, engaging connection with the road.

MR 4.0 highlights:

  • Immense performance envelope that gave Cadillac engineers the freedom to optimize everyday driving and aggressive track performance
  • New accelerometers and an inertial measurement unit that transmit and process changes in road conditions four times faster than the previous generation system
  • Secondary temperature maps that enable engineers to compensate for changes in damper fluid temperature for more consistent performance, even during performance driving
  • Inertial measurement unit that provides more precise measurements of body motion relative to the wheel for more accurate readings under heavy braking, hard cornering and other driving conditions
  • Improved magnetic flux control that creates a more consistent and accurate transition between rebound and compression
  • Improvements to transient body control that allow the vehicle to remain more level while transitioning between corners

MacPherson strut front suspension:

  • Ride link includes an all-new 100-percent elastomer bushing on the CT4-V Blackwing and a retuned hydro bushing on the CT5-V Blackwing, for improved ride response
  • Handling link has cross-axis ball joints for improved lateral control and quicker steering response

Five-link independent rear suspension:

  • Lateral link features stiffer bushings for faster response and increased cornering agility
  • Toe link has cross-axis ball joints for increased stability and driver confidence
  • Rear knuckles have increased stiffness for improved braking and better control during cornering
  • Rear cradle mounts have been stiffened for optimum balance between road comfort and track performance

V-Series Blackwing models are built on Cadillac’s award-winning rear-wheel drive architecture and feature unique structural enhancements including shock tower braces, an underside shear plate and thicker rear cross members to improve chassis rigidity. Along with the unique suspension elements, the stiffer structure enhances steering response, handling and the everyday driving experience.

All-day performance, on and off the track
The CT5-V Blackwing and CT4-V Blackwing build on Cadillac’s racing heritage and were developed to be track-capable straight from the factory. That includes an intensive validation program to ensure consistent performance during the most challenging track conditions.

Validation for both models included:

  • Twenty-four-hour continuous track testing with the available automatic transmission, available carbon fiber aero package, aluminum wheels and available carbon ceramic brake package
  • Twelve-hour continuous track testing with the standard manual transmission, available carbon fiber aero package, aluminum wheels and available carbon ceramic brake package

Functional aerodynamics, including an available carbon fiber aero package, contribute to the V-Series Blackwing models’ track prowess to support a variety of cooling needs for the cars’ respective engines, transmissions, axles and other supporting systems.

Additionally, MICHELIN® Pilot Sport 4S tires developed exclusively for the V-Series Blackwing models contribute to their balance of track capability and road comfort. Highlights include:

  • Unique, multiple-compound tread composition:
    • Contact patch composed of three unique tread rubber compounds
    • Racing “R compound” used for the majority of the tread
    • Compounds optimized for wet traction, enhanced street and track durability, as well as rolling resistance
  • The mold shape of the tire has been specifically engineered for Blackwing models to optimize contact with the road
  • Tire sizes:
    • CT5-V Blackwing tire size: 275/35ZR19 (front) and 305/30ZR19 (rear)
    • CT4-V Blackwing tire size: 255/35ZR18 (front) and 275/35ZR18 (rear)

Both V-Series Blackwing vehicles feature standard forged aluminum alloy wheels with staggered widths, front to rear. These forged wheels are stronger and lighter than conventional cast aluminum.

Wheel sizes:

  • CT5-V Blackwing: Front – 19 x 10 inches / Rear – 19 x 11 inches
  • CT4-V Blackwing: Front – 18 x 9 inches / Rear – 18 x 9.5 inches

Coming this summer
Reservations for both vehicles open on Feb. 1, 2021 at 7:30 p.m. ET on Cadillac.com, with deliveries later this summer. Pricing begins at $59,9901 for the CT4-V Blackwing and $84,9901 for the CT5-V Blackwing.


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30 minutes ago, David said:

These are German Destroying tanks that will eat up anything the M or AMG can throw at them!!! :metal: 

A BMW 340i has the same 0-60 time as the CT4-V Blackwing, not even an M3, just a 340i.  And the Audi RS3 has a 3.5 second 0-60 time, faster than either Blackwing, M5 Competition does 0-60 in 2.6 seconds, etc.  AMG holds the Nurburgring record for 2 door car, 4 door car, and station wagon, and 3rd place for SUV, so I think AMG can handle a Blackwing on a track.  

But that being said, if you liked the ATS-V and CTS-V then I imagine you would like these because it is basically the same powertrains and performance.  Or if you wanted a 4-door Camaro ZL1 with a better interior, the CT5 Blackwing fits the bill.  GM performance fans will buy these up, and I suspect as the Camaro sort of fades away (declining coupe sales), these 2 will pick up some of that market. 

I think the pricing is pretty spot on for the CT4-V, the CLA45, RS3 and 340i are all 56k, with equal options they all probably line up in price pretty close and you have some good comparisons in there.  The CT5 Blackwing I think they should have priced at $79,900 to match the Tesla Model S, but they sold out their first run so I guess no need to.  And given the lower volumes on these, they can probably get people to pay that ask price and not run the risk of getting too big a supply on dealer lots.

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6 minutes ago, oldshurst442 said:

I highly doubt that. 

Mustang and Challenger will however.

 

The Challenger can't have much time left given how old the platform is and CAFE and emissions are issues.  They could do a Georgio platform car, or make an EV I guess.  Depends on what Stellantis sees as the future.  

Mustang will always be around, but I suspect the Mach-E will be outselling the traditional gas coupe within a few years.  Mustang has that low start price and convertible they push on rental fleets in Florida.  

Camaro I think is a question mark because there are already rumors that 2023/2024 will be the end of the Camaro.  And these Blackwings are the last new gas V-series Cadillacs.  Although very possible that when all this stuff goes EV, that there is a Camaro EV in the 2025-2030 time frame, but coupe sales are pretty low, Chevy would be better served with an EV sedan at a more affordable price point.

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The CT5-V Blackwing is expensive as A-chhh  eee  double hockey sticks. 

I guess price parity for V8 performance for the every day (wo)man doesnt exist. And hasnt really for a loooong time as Mustang GTs, Camaro SSs, Challenger Hemis as ENTRY level V8 performance is unobtanium since at least a decade now, never you mind the ultra performance versions...

 

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30 minutes ago, smk4565 said:

The Challenger can't have much time left given how old the platform is and CAFE and emissions are issues.  They could do a Georgio platform car, or make an EV I guess.  Depends on what Stellantis sees as the future.  

Mustang will always be around, but I suspect the Mach-E will be outselling the traditional gas coupe within a few years.  Mustang has that low start price and convertible they push on rental fleets in Florida.  

Camaro I think is a question mark because there are already rumors that 2023/2024 will be the end of the Camaro.  And these Blackwings are the last new gas V-series Cadillacs.  Although very possible that when all this stuff goes EV, that there is a Camaro EV in the 2025-2030 time frame, but coupe sales are pretty low, Chevy would be better served with an EV sedan at a more affordable price point.

I should have been more precise with my response to you. Sorry.

What I meant to say is that Mustang and Challenger sales would benefit if a Camaro would cease to exist and not Cadillac performance vehicles. Different market with different buyers.  Some might go to Cadillac, just as some might even go to Toyota with their Supra, but MOST would go to Challenger and Mustang. 

And about Camaro EV and Mustang EV...

According to Autoline Detroit, the Mustang coupe V8 and all, is going ALL EV in 2029. No ICE engines in the Mustang. Just electric motors with battery.  There hasnt been a hint from gm  what they are planning to do with Camaro, but seeing as gm has been upfront and concrete about going all in with EVs and stopping production of ICE by 2035, then Id say if they choose to continue on with the Camaro name plate, then as with Ford with the Mustang, a next generation Camaro will be battery electric.  Tim Kuniskis also said that the Challenger will be an electric muscle car. 

 

https://www.roadandtrack.com/news/a35381043/dodge-ceo-says-hellcat-v-8-dying/
 

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"The days of an iron-block supercharged 6.2-liter V-8 are numbered," Kuniskis said. "They're absolutely numbered because of all the compliance costs. But the performance that those vehicles generate is not numbered."

Of course, his comments don't rule out continuing to sell V-8s like the 5.7-liter naturally aspirated engine that serves as the volume motor for the Ram 1500. A V-8 Wrangler is coming, too, without a supercharger. Hellcat V-8s, though, are an endangered species. The good news is, according to Kuniskis, the plan is to keep offering similar levels of performance using powerful electric motors.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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12 minutes ago, oldshurst442 said:

I should have been more precise with my response to you. Sorry.

What I meant to say is that Mustang and Challenger sales would benefit if a Camaro would cease to exist and not Cadillac performance vehicles. Different market with different buyers.  Some might go to Cadillac, just as some might even go to Toyota with their Supra, but MOST would go to Challenger and Mustang. 

 

True, I misunderstood and thought you meant Camaro wouldn't go away.  Mustang would gain the most if/when the Camaro dies.  I would assume the Challenger has an older buyer base than either, and the Charger/Challenger have a lot of fleet reliance.  The problem with all these sports coupes is the market keeps shrinking, the sports sedan is like the new sports coupe.  And the crossover replaced what was the "sports sedan" of 20 years ago.

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2 hours ago, smk4565 said:

GM performance fans will buy these up

V-Series cars have a MUCH wider appeal than 'GM fans'.

1 hour ago, smk4565 said:

They could do a Georgio platform car

Platforms have no effect on emissions.

33 minutes ago, smk4565 said:

I would assume the Challenger has an older buyer base than either

Challenger (the model) has a lower average buyer age than Tesla (as a brand). With everyone vainly gunning for the youth buyer, it'd be wise to keep it going... forever.

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2 hours ago, ocnblu said:

Just fantastic.  Are these the last great Cadillacs?  Feeling wistful.

Yes, the LAST Great ICE Cadillacs. The Future will be bright as we get even faster EVs for everyone to enjoy!

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1 hour ago, smk4565 said:

Mustang will always be around, but I suspect the Mach-E will be outselling the traditional gas coupe within a few years.

I think as production increases to supply the Dealers with Mach-E to buy, people will find out just how awesome the Mach-E really is. In this comparison of the 2021 Mach-E AWD it was only .1, yup POINT ONE second slower than the High Performance 2.3L Mustang and the Mach-E weighs 1,215 pounds more than the Turbo 4 Mustang.

Quarter Mile, Turbo 4 was 13 seconds at 100 mph

Quarter Mile, Mach-E was 13.8 @ 101 mph

Ford has NOT yet allowed anyone to have a Mach-E GT, but states it will blast 0 to 60 in 3.5 seconds equaling the 760HP Shelby GT500.

Other interesting numbers is that the Mach-E on the Skidpad testing has a .85 g of lateral grip compared to the Durango SRT Hellcat having a .87G

Clearly this $43,995 Mach-E is here to play and play seriously. 

With less maintenance compared to equal ICE CUVs, I think people will happily embrace the change to EVs.

2021 Ford Mustang Mach-E Only Slightly Slower Than Mustang 2.3L (caranddriver.com)

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Googlin' around, I see one source claims a Tesla Model 3 average insurance cost is 50% higher than the national average insurance bill.

I've been wondering (as I am here) if that's due to it being a circa 3 sec car to 60. If so, I think it's only fair if advertising nebulous claims of 'gas not bought monies saved' they also include 'grotesque insurance surcharges likely', to balance it out and be truthful. 

Is a (slo-ooooooooooooow) changeover to BE vehicles going to likewise see a sharp spike in insurance costs? In addition to the MSRP surcharge? 

Again I remind us here of the general conversation a few years back when autonomous driving cars were the flavor of the month; if vast swaths of the (aging) populous have poor driving skills and are better off not driving at all, is there any sense in putting all those bad drivers in 3 sec cars?? Is anyone worried?

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32 minutes ago, balthazar said:

V-Series cars have a MUCH wider appeal than 'GM fans'.

Platforms have no effect on emissions.

Challenger (the model) has a lower average buyer age than Tesla (as a brand). With everyone vainly gunning for the youth buyer, it'd be wise to keep it going... forever.

Georgio can be the platform, it would weigh less and they’d use a turbo 4, maybe a mild hybrid in the 2020s as the bridge to EV.  And a turbo V6 would replace the Hemi, so they’d gain on emissions there.

As for V-series, I don’t know who they are attracting in, the German cars are faster and Acura/Lexus people don’t care about performance.

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25 minutes ago, David said:

 

Clearly this $43,995 Mach-E is here to play and play seriously. 

With less maintenance compared to equal ICE CUVs, I think people will happily embrace the change to EVs.

2021 Ford Mustang Mach-E Only Slightly Slower Than Mustang 2.3L (caranddriver.com)

The Mach-E is about the size of an Escape, and the Escape and gas Mustang start in the mid $20s.  You can easily argue the Mach-E is better than an Escape or Mustang but is it $15-20k better?   EV’s still need to get cheaper, and that will happen I am sure, but for short term it is still a big ask to get volume on something like a Mach-E.

 

Also I was just reading an article on how investors are seeing revenue for ICE car sales as worthless in their valuation of a company and may soon even see ICE as a negative.  Timing the big EV change over right will be what determines winners and losers.

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The Mach E in size  is in between this generation Escape and the first generation Edge.  

1 hour ago, smk4565 said:

Acura/Lexus people don’t care about performance.

I dunno about Lexus folk, but Acura folk actually DO care about performance.  Acura and Honda folk that actually buy cars not CUVs and SUVs from Honda and Acura are one of the most performance oriented buyers in the car world.  Acura lost market share BECAUSE Acura STOPPED offering performance oriented cars.  I dunno if you noticed or not, but Acura and Honda CARS have been re-invented in their latest generations to offer MORE fun to drive qualities for their owners.  Back to fun driving is the motto...   No...not with torque monster RWD muscle cars, but with what Honda does best: great powertrains and nimble handling. 

Honda/Acura seems to me that going electric will only ENHANCE these qualities for Honda/Acura sporty cars and their owners.  Only drawback to BEVs for Honda/Acura is that BEVs are quite hefty negating nimbleness. However, low center of gravity due to the battery pack being THE floor pan, at least lessens the heft problem...

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14 hours ago, ocnblu said:

Just fantastic.  Are these the last great Cadillacs?  Feeling wistful.

*Checks Notes* You posted the above first, which implies the existence of EVs...

10 hours ago, ocnblu said:

Excuse me, must we insinuate every good thread in C&G now with EV garbage?  I thought this was a thread about Cadillac *checks again*

...so the above statement here is BS.

 

*Checks again* to see if you are moderator or Admin of this site and finds nothing. I believe William summed up the situation perfectly.

 

 

11 hours ago, balthazar said:

Within a single model BE vehicle, none have gotten cheaper yet.
Used to be able to get a Model S for $57K.

Used to be able to get an HD pickup for less than $30K, much less the $60-$90K they are now.

14 hours ago, smk4565 said:

A BMW 340i has the same 0-60 time as the CT4-V Blackwing, not even an M3, just a 340i.  And the Audi RS3 has a 3.5 second 0-60 time, faster than either Blackwing, M5 Competition does 0-60 in 2.6 seconds, etc.  AMG holds the Nurburgring record for 2 door car, 4 door car, and station wagon, and 3rd place for SUV, so I think AMG can handle a Blackwing on a track.  

But that being said, if you liked the ATS-V and CTS-V then I imagine you would like these because it is basically the same powertrains and performance.  Or if you wanted a 4-door Camaro ZL1 with a better interior, the CT5 Blackwing fits the bill.  GM performance fans will buy these up, and I suspect as the Camaro sort of fades away (declining coupe sales), these 2 will pick up some of that market. 

I think the pricing is pretty spot on for the CT4-V, the CLA45, RS3 and 340i are all 56k, with equal options they all probably line up in price pretty close and you have some good comparisons in there.  The CT5 Blackwing I think they should have priced at $79,900 to match the Tesla Model S, but they sold out their first run so I guess no need to.  And given the lower volumes on these, they can probably get people to pay that ask price and not run the risk of getting too big a supply on dealer lots.

The CT5-Blackwing competes with the E63 AMG and will kill it, mostly due to it being 500lbs. Lighter.

 

And why in the hell does a short run ICE Cadillac need to priced the same as a cheaper built Tesla? Do you have stock in them right now?

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15 hours ago, smk4565 said:

A BMW 340i has the same 0-60 time as the CT4-V Blackwing, not even an M3, just a 340i.  And the Audi RS3 has a 3.5 second 0-60 time, faster than either Blackwing, M5 Competition does 0-60 in 2.6 seconds, etc.  AMG holds the Nurburgring record for 2 door car, 4 door car, and station wagon, and 3rd place for SUV, so I think AMG can handle a Blackwing on a track.  

But that being said, if you liked the ATS-V and CTS-V then I imagine you would like these because it is basically the same powertrains and performance.  Or if you wanted a 4-door Camaro ZL1 with a better interior, the CT5 Blackwing fits the bill.  GM performance fans will buy these up, and I suspect as the Camaro sort of fades away (declining coupe sales), these 2 will pick up some of that market. 

I think the pricing is pretty spot on for the CT4-V, the CLA45, RS3 and 340i are all 56k, with equal options they all probably line up in price pretty close and you have some good comparisons in there.  The CT5 Blackwing I think they should have priced at $79,900 to match the Tesla Model S, but they sold out their first run so I guess no need to.  And given the lower volumes on these, they can probably get people to pay that ask price and not run the risk of getting too big a supply on dealer lots.

Cite your M5 time because C&D has it at 3.2 seconds for a car that STARTS at $110K. The BMW M3 has a manufacturers time of 3.8 seconds so I’m having a hard time believing that the lesser 340i does better. Furthermore, that same M3 starts $11K higher than the CT4 Blackwing. 

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