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That is what I said...and maybe, THAT is what Cadillac's game plan is. I mean, that is what I understood from Mary Barrra's last 2-3 speeches.

I agree to all...except to one... The bolded part. Buying a Corvette at a Chevy dealership should NEVER feel like a Porsche/Ferrari/Aston Martin dealership... Buying a Corvette at a Chevrolet dealership should be EXACTLY like buying a Chevrolet at a Chevrolet dealership. Corvettes are not boutique cars. They are mass produced. Corvette sales over the years have never been lower than 6000 units (excluding the first 2-3-years), have gotten a few 10 000-15 000 sales and for the most part been over 20 000 units. As high as 50 000 and Id say constantly selling 30 000 -40 000 units. Porsche 911s have at their most, sold 12 000 units in the US. twice they did that. Porsche constantly sells 8000-9000 units in the US. Aston Martin and Ferrari even less than that. A LOT less. As they should sell A LOT less... If Corvette were to be its own brand, than Id say Corvette would most definitely better be boutique like AM, Porsche Ferrari. But alas, Corvette is but a Chevrolet. And NOTHING wrong with that. Hardcore Ferrari guys are NOT buying 911s and hardcore 911 guys are NOT buying Ferraris and both of those guys are definitely not buying Corvettes. And hardcore Corvette guys...well they are extremely happy when their hotrodded Corvette kicks Ferrari and 911 ass... Aston Martin guys...probably own 1 Ferrari, 1 Porsche 911 AND some sort of vintage Corvette...possibly even a new Vette...7 Hardcore Ferrari guys have several Ferraris in their garage. Hardcore 911 guys probably own some sort of classic muscle car, but they will NEVER admit to owning it...

Exactly...EVs are expensive... Like I said...I really dont want Cadillac selling 400 horsepower 4 cylinder XT4s in the first place. Maybe an EV XT4 sized vehicle... Yeah...I could go for that....because then the price tag will be where I want Cadillac to be in... I could forgo a 400 horsepower 4 cylinder XT4 V. If EVs are the future, then 4 cylinder petrol engines are a step back for Cadillac. Hey...its impressive those figures...for a 4 banger. Pretty darned awesome. But, if the market is to shift to EVs, then I want Cadillac looking ahead. If Tesla could make a name for itself with a Model 3, and the Model 3 is more or less XT4 sized, then I would prefer Cadillac give us a Model 3 competitor rather than what Mercedes is gonna offer with its 400 HP 4 banger. Not taking away what Mercedes is doing....Im just wanting Cadillac to be ahead of the curve.

Googling info sometimes gets confusing results. But thanks to Balthy and Surreal.

I also love the '57 Eldorado Biarritz and place it high on my list as the '59

I just learned that Biarritz is just a way to say convertible...(only in 1976 was Biarritz a high end trim level offering...) While Brougham was to designate hardtop. I think the high end trim I was looking for is "Series 62" and/or "d'Elegance"? @balthazar Please set me straight.

Possible EV coming to a theatre near you next summer? Maybe? Cadillac IS going all out in EVs, right? And...I really DONT want Cadillac selling us A Class, GLA and GLB type vehicles...

Didnt Cadillac have a Biarritz trim that did what ya'll are clamouring for Cadillac to do? I would want that too, but I also want Cadillac NOT to sell vehicles below a certain price point. In fact, I prefer they stop selling vehicles below the 50 000 dollar threshold over a Biarritz/Avenir/Denali/ higher trim nameplate... And NO to the idea of a sub brand higher than Cadillac. Cadillac is...CADILLAC. Point finale. A higher trim...yes...but not a sub brand. Lets first start by nixing the vehicles in those price points that are NOT befitting of the Cadillac name and then everything else.

I agree...I was erroneous in my comment. I disagree...about racing. Most brands today are in some form of racing. Toyota is "racing" the Camry... By that same token, Ford is/was "racing" the Fusion. (NASCAR) If Renault was to sell calls in North America, would you or anybody else give a shyte about Renault's involvement with the 24 HR race at Lemans and anyother IMSA raceway... Nissan...Nissan is involved in the exact same way Renault is... do any of us really care about Nissan's racing? Are we honestly aware that Nissan races in a higher category than Corvette Racing? Does Nissan's involvement really help those North American sales of Sentras and Rogues, or is Nissan's cheap leases the reason for all these sales? I will agree that for SOME brands, any form of racing does help image. Ferrari Dodge for Drag Racing....HEMIs go a loooong way in the NHRA. Chevy is , NHRA drag, IMSA, NHRA Ford in NASCAR, IMSA with the Ford GT Mazda in autocross courses with their Miata... All this to say...Lamborghini does NO racing... Audi does, BMW does. But how does those racing efforts do for them? For @smk4565 to say that Cadillac is best to do battle with Aston Martin and Porsche is asinine. Chevy and its Corvette NEED to go racing in the GT class WITH Ferrari, Porsche. Im not so sure Aston Martin needs this as much as they think they do. But Ill tell you one thing. They thought beating Ferrari, Porsche and Corvette is a status for them. I dont think Aston Martin customers care all that much. I think Aston Martin CEOs care more. But that is the thing...when a prestigious marque like Aston Martin cares enough to try to beat Corvettes...its good for Corvette. When Porsche the company and the owners and Ferrari the company and the owners get flustered when they cant beat Corvette and go all out to beat Corvette at IMSA...its GREAT for Corvette. I dont think BMW, Aston Martin owners care if BMW or Aston Martin wins or loses. I do think that potential Corvette buyers in Europe care for IMSA wins. Not so much for the American market though... Cadillac potential owners in China, Europe and in the US couldnt give two shytes about racing...

But they stopped... And good while too... And decided to come back to racing...when Dodge...was already gone but was dominating and their dominance was ended when Corvette Racing joined up. (Dodge and Chevrolet...) And when Corvette Racing was dominating...only then did Aston Martin want to revisit their racing past...but they did not join the higher class. They wanted to join the GT class...Ferraris, Porsches, BMWs...where Dodge formely was and where Corvette still is... Cadillac only by NAME is actually at the higher ranks... So...even if by name only...is taking care of Aston Martin as Cadilac is one level higher...with the likes of...Renault and Nissan...(Renault and Nissan...hardly top tier luxury makes) So while I was erroneous in my speech, but I wanted to showcase the 2000s. Bottom line is....Aston Martin joined the ranks where a CHEVROLET is dominating...in the 2000s... Chevrolet was ALWAYS racing compared to Cadillac. Its simply STUPID to say let Cadillac worry about Porsche, Aston MArtin just to leave Corvette out to hang... HIS speech is helluva MORE erroneous than mine. So...all this FAKE racing prestige that SMK likes to toot is exactly what Im gonna repeat to him... LAY OF THE POT DUDE, ITS FRYING YOUR BRAIN...as in makes no difference in prestige who is racing who...it meant something once upon a time ago...now its just...there.

But wait...there is more It seems to me that...ASTON MARTIN WENT DOWNMARKET since Corvette was racing a LOOOOONG time BEFORE Aston Martin...JUST for Aston MArtin to try to beat...CORVETTE RACING... What the phoque are you smolking? Quit it...its frying your brain...

Corvette also sells for a price tag worthy of its powertrain...ONLY its powertrain...Corvette is NOT about fancy interiors. Porsche and the 911...was not about fancy interiors either. They decided to go that way... But you know what? The track focused 911s have dime store interiors too...but Porsche GOUGES its customers. They TAKE AWAY shyte and the price tag goes up and the 911 guys just lube up their butt and take it! You dont know why Corvette HAS to beat or at least equal its 2-3-4 times its price competition? Are you for real? STOP TROLLING!!!

Stop the condescending tone, dude... You aint as smart as you try to act like you are... Audi engines....ARE VW engines... Even Bugatti's W16 is based on VW's VR6 design.....which Volkswagen engineered anyway... And it ONLY makes sense since Volkswagen and Audi and a host of other brands is under the Volkswagen Group umbrella indirectly owned by the Porsche family who have the majority voting rights in the company... And it only makes sense since its expensive as hell to have every brand engineer its own engines. To have bespoke engines for every model in every brand. VAG...for the most part...puts corporate engines with different tunes in their models and brands....not much different to what GM does... Why is that a detriment? Only in YOUR mind it is. Corvette HAS to outperform its competition or come close to it...when price tags are concerned. Cadillac need not sell its Vs under that premise. There is no need to outperform the competition for Cadillac. But there is a need for AMG and M to do so... Vs could get by to equal their competiton...no need to win N-Ring times. AMG and M buyers will NEVER consider Cadillac either way...BUT...when Chevy kicks their ass, they get embarrassed.... Cadillac is also part of the GM umbrella...and like I said...Chevroler sells NO high performance SEDANS. Only 2 two door sports cars. Cadillac has NO two door coupes in their line-up anymore... SO you've moved the bar...now its high performance CUVs...but Chevy sells none of that either... As far as GM's CUV/SUV goes...Between Chevy and Buick and GMC and Cadillac...all their CUVs and SUVs are worlds apart from each other. Denali Yukon and Escalade are similar, but sooooooo different at the same time... GM has done an excellent job of distiguishing their CUVs and SUVs. There are some in here that bitch about that, but in reality, GM's CUVs and SUVs are well distinguished from one another.

Yeah...so...what is your beef? Chevrolet does not sell ANY high performance CUVs....Are you trying to change goal posts on me? Chevrolet CUVs are family haulers... The fullsized stuff are workhorse/towing/family hauling/FBI/CIA vehicles. Cadillac in the CUV/SUV department versus Chevrolet are world's apart... You just wanna bitch about Cadillac. Listen...Mercedes is ONE brand under ONE corporation. General Motors has several brands. VW was ALWAYS cheap shyte. Chevrolet...always had trucks, sports cars. The Impala/Caprice/Kingswood is what the Passat wants to pass of as. But Chevrolet did that 30-35 years BEFORE VW did. Chevy in 1958 with the Impala. Listen the Bel Air in 1957 actually... Audi...well...Audi did the A8 that took Lambo's engine and forced itself unto Porsche and Lambo territory... Lets us NOT forget that Porsche went down market SEVERAL times from the 1970s-1990s...not that the 911 was any luxury in the 1960s/1970s/1980s/1990s either...Actually, a handful of Porsches were DIRECT VW engineered vehicles...more than a handful... especially today...the Porsche 914 was a VW in reality while the Cayenne is really a Veedub underneath...Oh...but that only is a no no for the Escalade... The Bugatti...using Veedub engines glued together to power its cars? THIS is what you want to sell me as Veedub separating its brands versus what GM does? Listen...Im trolling here...but Im only using YOUR logic against YOU....because THAT is what YOU project unto GM yet you DONT do against the other foreign brands... So no! YOUR pattern of argument is NOT valid...because what YOU are arguing against GM, is what in fact...ALL manufacturers do.... YOUR argument is NULL and VOID.

THAT is what works for zee Germans... You see...Chevrolet does nicely in kicking German ass in THIS regard...(so does Cadillac with its former V cars...) But Chevrolet has ALWAYS been a sporty brand...well, from the mid 1950s on...) There is NO reason why Chevy HAS to relinquish that...and there is NO reason why Chevy and Caddy could NOT co-exist in THIS department. Actually, the former CTS V kicked the Chevy SS's ass... So...what is your point? The ATS-V versus the Camaro? Yeah...well, the ATS-V needed a V8, true...but hey...the Camaro needs the speed.

That...that right there...would be me. Got you beat by a mile! @smk4565 I wanted to respond to that Chevy is GM's performance rant of yours...but I got bored writing it all up...I guess @balthazar took care of it anyway...and I wrote it EXACTLY how he put it... Its awesome!!! And Im impressed with myself...you know....the whole Im average in many/outstanding in none thing... But since he did not mention the one thing that I wanted to...Ill do it now. All of a sudden, I got some excitement again in me. OK... Chevrolet has no high performance SEDANS anymore...and that is worldwide too. Chevrolet has got ONLY 2 two door coupe sports cars...1 that seats 4...more or less, and the other that only seats 2. Cadillac...yeah...Cadillac...I did say Cadillac, right? So as we dont confuse Chevrolet with Cadillac and sedans with coupes. Cadillac....has got 3 high performance SEDANS and NO high performance coupes for sale. So...although, like I wanted to say, but Balthy said it anyway...there is NO reason why even BUICK cannot sell high performance stuff under the GM umbrella...but as it stands NOW...Chevrolet and Cadillac dont even sell the same high performance shyte... And while the way the market has shifted lately, I dont think Chevy is hurting without the SS 4 door, and I dont think Cadillac is going to hurt without having a 2 seat sports car in their line-up. Cadillac is hurting not having a PERSONAL COUPE and CONVERTIBLE though. And the PERSONAL COUPE thing need NOT be a car. It could also be a 4 door fastback CUV type thingy... an IMPOSING... "get the phoque outta my way I have arrived" type personal CUV thing. One that even outdoes the Escalade in the "get the phoque outta my way I have arrived" category. It could be as big as the Escalade or it could be as big as the XT6...but it needs one. And to answer Balthy's respoonse above about how one perceives what Cadillac lacks. Ive been whining about Cadillac longer than all of of you... But there is always ONE thing that I always say... And yes...its to go back to what they are known for. And that is ARROGANT, IMPOSING, IN YOUR FACE LUXURY the ONLY way Cadillac and AMERICA knows how... Lincoln is kinda doing it...but the Continental was a bust, because it truly was NOT an imposing, in your face American luxury car.... But Cadillac could CERTAINLY do high performance. SHYTE...they've been doing it BETTER than the Germans...And I wouldnt worry too much about these new V cars...there is more to come...

I aint feelin' it either, For me...its the lack of...da da da du dun. da da da du dun. The new song is just...depressing. But maybe that's the point? I will see it. Just because Ive invested 30 years of my life consuming this franchise, including wasting my quarters playing the T2 pinball machine. Oh yes...I was a pinball wizard. I figure, I might as well see how Ahnold gets to say "Ill be back" once again. There will be great disappoint if he doesnt say it. Yup...my expectations are soooooo high for this version that Ill be happy JUST to hear Ahnold say those 3 words.

Well...Skynet is happening... whether we want it or not.

so that ghostly figure on the right is a human then? I wondered about it in initially...looks like a female. It always looked like a female to me. I still cant make out the scenery. A dungeon? I said boat only because you said ropes...so I went with a boiler room in a boat... Its a blurry photograph.

I think I can make the ropes out. I think I can see the pulleys. Is this on a boat? I really cant make out the scenery. Maybe I need to upgrade my graphics video card in my brain....

^^^ I cant make out that first pic. What is it Im looking at?

And THIS is why its important for him to... ReLeAsE HiS TaxEs...as you sarcastically wrote it... So the voting public knows what they are up against...

I dont really care... Like I said... I dont judge you on your politics I only judge on your responses...

Its NOT an opinionated question... This has been addressed to you... Like I said...you cut your nose to spite your face...

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