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Sometimes I think you just hate vehicles to hate them because the legroom in a Continental is larger than an S Class.. You see professional athletes 7ft tall in S Classes. S Class Front Legroom: 41.4 inches Rear Legroom: 34.1 inches Continental Front Legroom: 44.4 inches Rear Legroom: 41.3 inches If you don't like the Continental, that's totally cool. Just use something that makes more sense...lol
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Who cares though? They made it public that they aren't chasing "dynamic" cars so be it transverse or longitudinally. Why fork out the cash for a different chassis for something so minute to their target audience? If they were pretending to be a sports sedan, you'd be spot on and I'd agree 100%. What are its shortcomings? It isn't a sport sedan(and they're not afraid to hide it)? lol
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I thought you already said they're top notch and that there's nothing else that could be done to improve them anyway?
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But they didn't create a better product. They created something equally as good. Both have highs and both have lows but, If I'm not wrong, most comparisons was almost a coin flip as to which was better. Caddy had the chassis while the BMW had the engines. My rationale had nothing to do with Lincoln. it was solely the BMW 3 being copied by Cadillac. What did Lincoln make that was within an inch of every exterior measurement of Cadillac while also saying "we're bench marking X Lincoln" ? All of your excuses on why the Continental SHOULDN'T be a good car has nothing to do with why it IS a good car. While it isn't some ground breaking technological advancement(although those seats are pretty damn nifty) they went and did their own thing and said from the beginning what the goal of the car was, and it wasn't to be like another car. Outside of enthusiasts, nobody gives a fck what wheels drive your car. It isn't a sports sedan so why does it matter if it is FWD based or RWD based? I'd bet half of the buyers in this large, luxury car segment don't know if their luxury car is FWD or RWD based, they just get AWD if they want it.
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"We appreciate why BMW's 3 Series sedans have been popular for so long. Apparently Cadillac has a similar appreciation, as its engineers make no bones about using the BMW sedan as the benchmark for their new ATS." "How closely did Cadillac emulate BMW? The 3 Series and ATS are within an inch of each other in exterior dimensions except for the BMW's 1.3-in. longer wheelbase." "Cadillac emulated the 3 Series' packaging, but might have been better off its back seat were a bit more spacious. Set the four seats for 6-foot-tall folks and the ATS is tight in back. Yes, there are tens of thousands of 3 Series sold that prove this may not actually be a problem, but another inch of rear seat legroom would have been nice in the ATS." "The fun part is the Caddy/BMW comparo. Start with both company's 2.0-liter dohc direct-injected fours: Cadillac's puts out 272 bhp, while the BMW generates 240 bhp. Both engines produce 260 lb.-ft. of torque. " "Is the new Cadillac ATS as good as a BMW 3 Series? Remember "the same, only different?" The pair does share quite a bit—in everything from overall size and drivetrains to intent. They are remarkably close." http://www.roadandtrack.com/new-cars/first-drives/reviews/a18340/2013-cadillac-ats-1/ Heck, I think the exteriors look great on their new stuff as well.
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They were open about making a 3 Series w/ a Cadillac badge on it. It's not the same when you're entering a market and publicly bench marking something and you build said vehicle within an inch everywhere. Mustang and Camaro were never THAT physically close to each other. Look at you taking shots at somebody who WANTS an ATS. Sorry brochacho, some ppl don't think Cadillac(or any company) is perfect. Lincoln brand is copying Cadillac brand? In what way?!? Cadillac builds sports sedans and Lincoln...doesn't.
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@Cubical-aka-Moltar I completely agree. The competition is too tight with all of the sport sedans right now that it would be tough to even crack the segment so what else do you do? Make your own. And this isn't even making a segment it's bringing back what they used to be.
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Yep, follow the leader. Lincoln has attempted to set their own pace with the Continental. That's no sport sedan. We'll see how that fairs down the road.
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Not a chance. Plus, a 1.6L turbo.. that thing will NEED boost to move anything.. This will be light, very light but batteries still aren't feathers so it's tough to imagine it being some sub 3000lb car with batteries and motors. MT weighed a 918 at 3791lbs. So we can assume lighter than that but how much lighter? So to move, let's say, 3500lbs with a 1.6L it'll need boost almost all the time. Not max or peak boost but a n/a 1.6L v6 that spins to the heavens needs boost because zero torque at low rpm.- 89 replies
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I knew you were on crack. 22mpg combined. https://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/bymodel/2015_Porsche_918_Spyder.shtml
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Yes, its clearly what they were aiming for. If you're open about targeting a specific car then yes, you're not doing your own thing. You're trying to follow/beat somebody else's creation. That's not original at all.
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I saw this random EV bus downtown today. Hopefully one of the local fleets is replacing theirs with them. Something Mr @dfelt would like to see and NOT HEAR because near silent.
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Okay you were doing good until you said better gas mileage than a Prius... There is no way you could daily drive that and achieve 50mpg. Yeah yeah yeah.. it's got a theoretically range of 18 miles of full EV but when that runs out there is no way it is still a 30mpg+ car. No. Freaking. Way. Yeah, this gets better fuel mileage for 18 miles, heck probably up to about 25 miles if you drive this like a little girl and keep a light foot beyond the EV range.
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The ATS was almost the exact measurements of the 3 Series when it came out. If I'm not wrong, it was within a half inch on every exterior dimension. "The ATS was presented as a true BMW 3 Series competitor, and was benchmarked against what Cadillac says is the best 3 Series ever, the E46. " If that isn't them bench marking the Germans...then I don't know what is.
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That center stack/console looks atrocious. The instrument cluster looks great, even though it looks like it is out of a LT1 Camaro.
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Are we talking about a theoretical car? I don't see no C8 for sale yet. If, when, where, how... it's not out yet but an AMG GT sure as hell is and that's one badass car. Bests anything from the good ole U S of A has right now because Ford won't let anybody test their GT.
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omg... you're just so damn stubborn sometimes. I've said it like 3-4 times now but I'll make the font bold so maybe you actually read what I'm saying. I'm not saying they have a bad interior(current gen). I'm saying for the money when you are entering the 100k club, they aren't up to snuff but when you're talking 60-80k range they are still very good. It is all dependent on what the owner wants out of a car. All out performance? Obviously Vette/ZL1/Shelby but as those cars approach 100k their interiors look worse and worse next to their similarly priced competition. But they light up almost everything when talking performance metrics. That why I said it is all perspective and what the owner/buyer wants. I'm not just talking shet on GM. You mentioned my knocking on the ATS earlier and while I admit there are downfalls they aren't enough to stop me from wanting one. "Oh nooooo, a Ferd guy wants a GM?!?!?"
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WTF are you picking Carrera 4S prices for? Carerras start at 91k And this goes exactly to what I said in the beginning which managed to trigger you, it's all perspective. It depends what you want. If you want a car that spanks cars twice/thrice/four times as much? Buy a Vette/Z06/ZL1/Shelby. If you want something that will do a little more pampering and is likely quieter inside, get a similarly priced Benz/BMW/Porsche. To keep up with the above listed cars one has to easily spend double the cash in Germany if not as much as 4 times in the case of the ZL1 besting Mclarens.
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I agree and that's why I said it is clear they put more R&D cash into how they actually drive and the performance they put down.
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Yes. lol FanMan would act in a...different...way.
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Or, they're universal opinions by everybody except fanboys. And in what world are those steering wheels almost the same? Why are you comparing a Cayman to a Vette, isn't the Vette supposed to whoop up on the 911? Why bring it down to the level of a Cayman? Cayman is Camaro level of performance, which the Camaro stomps in the dirt. As I've already said, for 60k they're very good. For 100k+ for the Z06(which they're the same minus maybe some Z06 badge stitching here and there) they're not as high quality as a 100k Porsche, Merc, or BMW. Sorry to burst your fanboy bubble but that's just how it goes. They're not actually a $h! interior but they're not as high quality as other 100k cars.
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Spoken like a true fanboy. Let me Google 911 Cayman S real quick and see what pops up...
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The C5 and C6 were not good interiors. They were Old GM and very plastic-y and rattly for what you're paying for. Yes, that's my point though. You can say that about any car and when you're spending 100K+ on a auto the interior should match it, same with top of the line Mustangs. When the GT500 comes out and is priced at something stupid like 70k or whatnot.. it's still rocking a sub 30k car's interior with leather. Their performance is the only thing making them worth buying once they reach a certain level, and that's perfectly OKAY! It's just ridiculous to think they're on par with other 70k cars(GT500) and 100k+ cars(Z06) when you strictly look at their interiors. They've both decided to dump serious cash into R&D of their drivelines and suspensions to make them great values when compared to other 70k and 100k+ cars.
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It's a huge money pit and not worth it. They need to rework their whole system to make it affordable for more manufacturers. There's no reason there are 2 teams missing other than it doesn't make sense financially.
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For a 100k+ car they aren't anything to write home about. For their entry price of 60k or so they're very good. It all depends what you're spending if it's competitive or not. IMO, for Z06 pricing they're not very great interiors. But when you drop the price to their base of around 60k they're a very good interior. Looking at a 911/C63/M4 vs Z06 for interior design and build quality the Vette looks slightly out of place but a Vette at 60k and a GT350 at 60k and now the Vette looks very good. It's all perspective. This has nothing to do with performance as a Z06 will eat all of those up.
