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C'mon man. We all know every car can get marked up to ridiculous prices with pointless options. The base Camaro 2.0T is something like $27k, so already not cheap. The top turbo trim puts it at $31k. Loading it with every performance and aesthetic option is easily going to jack up the price to irrational levels. I know it can be done I just didn't expect to see one on a lot. Especially because that was the only new Camaro there. Just seemed more odd than anything to actually see one optioned like that on a dealer lot.

Holy $h!... My local GM dealer has a '16 Camaro and the MSRP on it is 41k... it has the 2.0t. I believe it is marked down to 37k but that's something I wouldn't have really expected. If anything I thought it would have been the V6 or SS but definitely not the 2.0t. It does look sharp in black though.

I'm genuinely surprised that there have been 34866 people buying Mitsubishi cars in the US.

^ I'm being honest here.. With how that mess is quoted I have no clue if that's directed at me or somebody else..

"Good thing Mercedes beat everybody to the punch with CUVs because they're the best" HA.

I think it's pretty obvious why it was done.. just say'n.

Yeah, I think yesterday was the first day I worked and never posted anything. There was nothing exciting going on.. Also, I think there are "calmer" days when the trolly-troll-trolls aren't brand humping and pissing everybody off. They're the "even bad publicity is still good publicity"(or whatever that phrase is) when it comes to hits/views on a website. Just post anything Ford/GM/FCA and you can be sure people will come out of the woodwork to hump or bash.

Eventually it will.. I think whenever it is gas goes back up people will think a little more about that extra 1-3mpg hit the CUV is taking.

I can tell you neither one have hit the press fleet yet. I was told this a few weeks ago when scheduling some GM vehicles for review. I don't know when they'll be hitting, but I have to guess it will be sometime in the near future. I assumed so.. It is good to get the product into the consumer's hands as quick as possible but I have to believe if it was on the cover of X magazine it would help actually move some. Either way I am very eager to read about both new Cadillac products.

I'm not surprised the Nox was down as it is very long in the tooth at this point but I am surprised by how much it is down. If there are 320 CT6's and 304 XT5's out there then where are the in depth reviews/comparisons of them????

LOL Are you kidding me? They literally went after you for your Cadillac saying you should buy a Benz. That's almost offensive how they would target you like that. I do think it's funny that they know you have a CTS but no clue you buoght the biggest and baddest CTS and they're trying to put you in a 300hp E Class.. That isn't 650hp of badass. No thanks.

See this is a good point in favor of the FWD luxury cars. Yes, yes, yes, wrong wheel drive and not sporty or near as athletic of a drive.. but FWD platforms offer more interior room. I honestly think the FWD platform luxury cars in the smaller/mid-size will compete very well on the interior space front. I brought up tat point a few months ago.. I should have started a thread about it but it was just a "random thought". Eventually the economy and car sales will level off and there won't be enough sales to convince people to buy all of these stupid, hideous variants( I'm talking about the X4s/GLE Coupes of the world). I'm legitimately worried they are going to bankrupt themselves by getting in so deep and then eventually there will be a form of halt in sales(economy slows to backs up at some point). I know I'm no economist but it honestly kind of scares me how MB and BMW are trying to put a vehicle in every little nook and cranny. Yeah, I have nothing invested with either company but they still employ thousands(?) of dealerships and employees within each dealer plus the plants that are here as well. So if they go under or have severe financial issues we're in deep $h! even though they're a foreign company. This is one reason I think what GM and Ford are doing is great. GM is platform sharing all over the place where if they had to cut a vehicle out because of an economic downturn it isn't a complete loss on the platform and obviously Ford is doing the same..even though Lincoln isn't..well..Cadillac. It's to a lesser extent but still a financial security blanket if $h! hits the fan again they can easily stop producing either Ford or Lincoln and still utilize the platform in the other brand. Audi and VW seem to have a similar(probably better) setup with their convertible platforms. Just my thoughts on that...

It's one of the main reasons why I haven't even bothered looking at a Ford over the years. Just don't even want to be associated with the brand because of the rabid fanboyism. Yeah I feel like that with all of the D3 though. Ford, GM, or FCA. Heck, when I bought my Mach 1 over at MT I didn't post j bought a different car and nobody knew what I had for awhile and I still got called a fanboy of this or that. I think the only person I initially told was Olds actually. But I mean MB, Ford, GM, FCA... I really like what everybody offers now but the way ppl blindly talk about them is embarrassing for the brand, IMO, and I wouldn't want to be associated with those people. But there are those ppl for every make. One of my best friends is of the same but for VW. Good lord is that annoying at times.. I mean VW? Really? They make one legitimately very very good car, golf(and its variants) and that's about it. Everything else pretty well sucks, again, in my opinion.

It sucks when the rabid fanboys make you dislike brands because they are so damn oblivious and ignorant about their favorites. It makes you want to just hate the brand, and for what? Because some D-bag on the Internet is ignorant? That's not fair. But that's how bad some people are.

..and Mercedes is slaughtering the equity they built through AMG as well.. Now everything is an AMG.. slap a badge on it and it's now an AMG. It sucks because my Euro car of choice is hands-down Mercedes. I love the AMG cars(former as now anything is an AMG) with their big ole V8s and their "who gives a crap about turning" characteristics of previous generations.

Is it a picture of a guy holding a sign reading "MONEY" ? lol

While I completely agree, we don't know that they aren't getting a form of "profit sharing" for the very good few years they've had. Like Walmart. All people see is X dollars/hr. but they never hear about the quarterly bonuses for having a good store with high scores in sales, customer appreciation, shrinkage, etc, etc. . That's for all employees, not just management. The store I worked at was typically between $200-600 and then there were quarters w/o a bonus and then quarters w/ ~$900 bonus.

Completely agree. Well stated, sir.

If it was marketed as a "sport sedan" I would completely agree, wrong wheel drive. But it isn't. It isn't a car to be driven aggressively therefore unless you're in the snow you'd never know which wheels are doing more work than the others.

For $h!s sake bar mover. They don't need name changes. They need more variants and CUVs, of which you agree with not even three damn days ago. Pick a stance and stick with it. I think there is only 2 Mercedes with real names and both of them are work vehicles. Unimog. Sprinter. Yeah Cadillac needs names. THAT is their problem.

So of the 792 jobs they're only keeping 16 people...?

Mercedes, duh. Because everything Mercedes is better than everything else. Period.

I am willing to bet that sewing job was not performed on an assembly line. . And you think it makes it okay given that this was the car they chose to show the automotive world? Pre-production cars are just that... pre-production. There is a possibility of changes to the assembly process or the assembly process not even been fully developed yet. ALL manufacturers have pre-production cars that they use to show the public and press.....and all of them have flaws in assembly. I will never judge a car show debut car on assembly quality, ever. Sometimes the manufacturer let the Press drive these pre-production cars. Often times, they won't even have a VIN because they are due to be crushed after a certain time. The manufacturer will put a disclaimer sticker in the car somewhere indicating that it is pre-production... and yes.. there will be flaws. Once the actual production Continentals start rolling out, then we can have a looksee to judge. I understand that but I've seen a lot of preproduction cars and I think what makes this error obvious is the contrast from the stitching to the door panel color. Just looks way too obvious and it would bug me to no end. I would certainly hope this does not happen to a production model. It doesn't even phase me because it was likely done by hand in a design studio on a tight schedule. It really is a non-issue in a pre-production car. If Lincoln didn't have a recent issue with quality shortcomings on their stuff then I'd agree with you. But the fact remains that the MXZ's launch was delayed by quality shortcomings. When your track record is poor, you need to try that much harder. And I don't see that here, at all. First of all, I don't know how you people mess up quoting somebody. Second, you "don't see that here" because you wear the infamous General Motors blinders.

Craptors? What cha talking about Willis? Canadian.. Toronto Raptors, I assume. lol

You can't compare one dealership throwing a sale on X vehicle to another that isn't. That's ridiculous that you'd think that's a fair comparison. If all things being equal(in this example we're saying both products are the same) the customer will every single time go towards the dealer with the best service, nicest people, and cleanest building. Duh. I'm actually not even sure how one can argue that.