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That pic was digitally cleaned up. Here's the untouched original : Game still very much on. Whatever car this is out of I don't care because it looks ballin as F.

http://www.autotrader.com/cars-for-sale/vehicledetails.xhtml?zip=62249&endYear=2017&modelCode1=ATS&sortBy=distanceASC&showcaseOwnerId=0&makeCode1=CAD&startYear=1981&firstRecord=25&searchRadius=75&maxPrice=24000&showcaseListingId=0&mmt=%5BCAD%5BATS%5B%5D%5D%5B%5D%5D&listingId=423697522&Log=0 This one is local to me.

Somebody turn the defroster on inside of that CT6.. looks a little misty in there! The only thing I don't like about that S Class pic is the GLOSSY wood. Style and looks-wise I think they are on par with each other because that is all personal preference how things are laid out and where controls and vents are. One could very well think the monster screens and circle vents look way better and classier on the S Class and vise versa. Look how much wider the center console is on the CT6 rather than the S Class. Is that extra space in the S Class in a wider seat? or is the CT6 rocking narrower seats? Orrrr is the CT6 actually wider than the S Class? Or another variation because there are all sorts of combos with those three scenarios. Edit: WHOOPS!!! I didn't realize that was an Escalade interior..

..I would just like to clarify that I was making fun of somebody else who IS hung up on the whole RWD=Luxury thing..

There was a comment on that page that I thought was worthy of rehashing.. "Why are they comparing this car to the S class, 7 Series and A8 when Cadillac explicitly states that it is not meant to compete with those cars? Cadillac states that a competitor to that class will not arrive until the end of the decade. This article seems like a childish attempt at proving that the car does not compete with cars it was not designed to compete with."

Looks like it can no longer be a luxury car if it is FWD.. such a shame.. On a brighter note, the Camaro z/28 is officially a luxury car as we saw it testing at The 'Ring!

And? So this means what? BTW, the answer is "nothing" because no one gives two $h!s about what Supreme Leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei thinks. Obvious cheap shot is obvious and not very random. One could say Ayatollah Ali Khamenie comments are a cheap shot Yes they could and should. They could also say that this information was not worth anyone's time in the first place and really not worth spreading around the internet but hey, some folks have to do what they do. At least he didn't start a thread for this crap lol

And? So this means what? BTW, the answer is "nothing" because no one gives two $h!s about what Supreme Leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei thinks. Obvious cheap shot is obvious and not very random. Agreed.

I think the 30k price gap says a lot too.. Cadillac will make a true flagship to compete with the S Class eventually. And to me... the CT6 is freakin awesome. It would hard not to at least involve it in a decision making process. But I guess when you're spending that kind of money the decision is made before even seeing what each make has to offer. The buyer either leaves the house thinking "I'm getting a new Benz today" or "I'm getting a new Caddy today".

When was the last time one of those engines was brand spankin new though? Are any of them new? Or are they all just becoming outdated and outperformed but the smaller turbo motors like everything else? I have a hard time thinking anybody at Cadillac or GM cares about Bently or Rolls. The G3 probably more so but there is still no point in a V12 anymore. Not unless it is being utilized for absurd things like the Vernon's W16. Your standard V12 doesn't even sound that great but that's just my opinion.

Oh I completely understand it is functional and will make for one bad-ass car I just don't think it looks the greatest, mostly just the wing. I'm pretty sure the whole "race car bits" are stylish. You don't see as many people taking tings off their cars as much as people adding things to make them look more like race cars. I liked what GM did with the last Z/28 and the Z06 when it comes to the aero-bits. They kept the spoiler attached to the trunk lids and there weren't the "as gaudy" winglets on the front fascia. The more I look at it the more It doesn't look bad but just a tad over done, even though it is all clearly functional. Spoiler is just too big, and same w/ the front fascia..just too much. If it was all toned back a little it would look better, imo.

You legitimately know me. Black, red leather, Performance Package that includes the LED headlight/fog light set up and 18's.. That would be THE one I'd want. Also, I looked at other ATSs in your zipcode for $h!s.. There are more at reasonable prices up that way. Like, quite a few. Like this one. Even though I'm not a light tan interior kind of guy.. http://www.autotrader.com/cars-for-sale/vehicledetails.xhtml?endYear=2017&zip=15205&maxPrice=24000&showcaseListingId=411807031&mmt=%5BCAD%5BATS%5B%5D%5D%5B%5D%5D&modelCode1=ATS&sortBy=yearDESC&startYear=1981&makeCode1=CAD&showcaseOwnerId=30795282&firstRecord=0&maxMileage=45000&searchRadius=75&listingId=425778226&Log=0 Or even this w/ the 3.6 http://www.autotrader.com/cars-for-sale/vehicledetails.xhtml?endYear=2017&zip=15205&maxPrice=24000&showcaseListingId=411807031&mmt=%5BCAD%5BATS%5B%5D%5D%5B%5D%5D&modelCode1=ATS&sortBy=yearDESC&startYear=1981&makeCode1=CAD&showcaseOwnerId=30795282&firstRecord=0&maxMileage=45000&searchRadius=75&listingId=428666896&Log=0

Hahaha I loved the first "hot pants" one!

Cadillacs are cheaper to own and maintain than anything from Germany.... not just the premium brands.... keeping my ex's high mileage Passat in operating condition was expensive. The ATS 2.0t takes 5 quarts for RWD and 6 quarts for AWD. This is great news and pretty much exactly what I was curious about. Thank you! Damn, well with it being dropped into '16s I'd have to assume before it dropped into a price range I was comfortable with it would be another 2 years. I guess I'll have to drive one for myself to see if it is really that much better. I would have to believe it is.

That was definitely my favorite part of the car, just how it immediately felt..right.. My Escape is more like the last little bit there.. passenger that happens to be driving.

More like S-150...m'right?!?! Ha

Oh yeah I don't think the HVAC "buttons" we an issue at all. I thought that it was kind of funny that a lot of the issues with that is people try and use the silver as a button not the icon. My issue was(in a vehicle w/o CUE) simply turning the volume knob my pinky very easily came into contact with the "radio" button changing to the AM presets. Just poor placement because i don't have a big bulky hand and I don't consider myself careless or sloppy it was just at a bad location compared to the Radio knob. That's why I need to fiddle around with CUE because it is clearly layed out different.

The CT6 has some lines and creases that make it more "sexy" than "elegant" in my books. The SClass is along the elegant line as it has more flowing curves(but not bubbly) in my books. Granted, I've never sat in an S Class, let alone a 120k brand new one but for the size of the car I thought the interior was pretty awesome. But, like I said, I haven't sat in an S Class or a 7 Series.. Or A8 or whatever letter Jag is this size. But at 61k other than having the 3.6 which I think I would want an engine with gobs of low-end to cruise rather than a peaky 3.6, it was great. Again, I haven't fiddled with the infotainment units in the other cars but I loved how well this responded, was controllable, looked, and was touch screen and had a "mouse-like" pad. I don't know what the price gap is to get that with the 3.0tt but it would be tough to not get that in a dark or slate grey, agree with you on the grill - change it, and the OEM dark wheels to go with it..over the comparably priced competition. If money meant nothing an AMG 63/65 just because power but the price is outrageous for something like that. Casa, have you gotten to take one for a spin yet?

For those of you who were following my thread questioning the idea of buying an ATS this is already over there.. but for those of you who don't give two $h!s about my buying decisions I thought I'd throw this somewhere where people can just hear my opinions on a couple sweet-ass cars..imo. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Well, I drove an ATS and I sat in a CT6(and fiddled with the infotainment stuffs). ATS drove awesome. I loved how tight and nimble it felt. The trans felt a little snappy from gear to gear but not in a bad way, just in a way that I'm not used to in autos(you could feel the up-shifts upon light throttle application). But I've also never driven a sporty auto..well I guess my C350 was in a similar category just 7 years older. Just about everything about how it drove I really really liked. I immediately felt comfortable behind the wheel and I think some of that is I'm just more at home in smaller vehicles where I can feel the proportions much better than larger, "airier" vehicles. What I mean by that is, for instance, The space in the cabin from driver to the bottom of the windshield and pillars..just feels wait more "airy" in my Escape. The ATS, not so much. But I liked it. I felt more connected to the car right off the bat. Back seats were fine for me but I know I'm on the average side of people so anybody larger might have issues. Luckily for me I don't have many friends over 6' anyway. Plus, I've dealt with Mustangs in the past so having 4 doors is a plus already. I did find it odd that sitting in the back seat the roof was very low. Low to the point that the back 6inches of the roof-line actually have a cut out for taller riders, but my head was already occupying that space(not to the ceiling but awfully close for being 5'8") so I really am not sure IF a 6' passenger could sit in the back. The one thing that might actually be a deal breaker is the damn fake buttons for radio/HVAC. I honestly don't know how that was "okay'd". I didn't think the ones for the HVAC were really that bad. They were in good locations and responded 95% of the time I touched it. It was the ones by the radio( vehicle did NOT have CUE) that I just turned the volume knob and twice my pinky brushed the "radio" "button" and went to AM and then had to fiddle with it to get it back to FM. But that was really the only thing I didn't like, but I didn't like it a lot. I'd like to get some seat time w/ CUE and see how that is. I also realize that once I familiarize myself with the car I would probably just be using the steering wheel controls anyway but just the fact that it would take waaaay more getting used to that it should is kind of gear grinding. CT6. F, that car is sexy in person. The dealer had one on the lot(2 pre-ordered and sold already) and this was their first to just be as regular inventory. This was a "lowly" version ringing in at only 61k so I couldn't imagine bringing that up to 90k+ w/ more bells and whistles(other than the TT3.0 and AWD which this did not have - obviously). I freakin' LOVED how the infotainment system navigated and looked and worked and everything, lol. The touch pad that works like a mouse..and you can feel through it where you're moving the "mouse". You place your finger on it and when moving left, right, up, or down it as tiny pulses recognizing which way you're moving your finger so you can probably navigate the screen with less effort while driving. It's just awesome. either touch the screen or use the touch pad which how I placed my thumb on it, fit ergonomically perfect to me from where I set the seat up to. No stretching or too cramped and bending my arm. The car was a little big for me but honestly, from the driver's seat it didn't feel too bad. I felt like I knew the proportions fairly well from the driver's seat and that's a very comforting feeling to me which I don't get in many vehicles but the outward visibility was superb as it was in the ATS. Oh yeah, I also remembered looking back from the driver's seat and seeing USB and AC outlets where the middle person would be sitting, between their knees. I really liked that because, for the most part, nobody sits there, and they're built in so it keeps the look clean, aaaaaand they were pretty well hidden because they were under the "butt cushion" part of the seat.

And? Seriously? Is dead horse your favorite meal? You've certainly gotten the tenderizing part down pat. Man, you missed a good opportunity to use this!

It will probably be one bad-ass car but the raised spoiler and the additional downforce bits up front don't look the greatest to me.

Maybe you missed the part where they said it "looked" fake (and it does but I feel that way about most wood trimmed interiors). I completely agree. I don't like how wood interiors look at all because no matter what, if they're glossy, they look fake. Some of the matte finishes look pretty good but I'd prefer an aluminum, carbon, piano black wood(solid gloss black) over wood all day long. The gloss just doesn't look real in any way to me.

^ Hahahaha nice eye! I didn't know those were a thing still..or even in '08. Personally, I think my C350 looks a little better(of the same era) Also, note the foot actuated parking brake... Oh yeah.. GM or something..

I'm sure he'll be along soon enough... but it doesn't really matter. He wanted what he wanted as long as it had a pointy star and a V8. The same way I want something with a peace symbol and a V8. lol I think we all WANT a V8... Even if it is for 90% the sound and 10% performance.

I wouldn't have known what to do. I probably would have just stroked out and not remembered any of it. lol