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Very good question. I have a good friend who works at Cadillac PR. I've emailed him and asked him if any pictures of the base CT6 exist yet. I'll let you know what he says. That would be awesome! I always wonder these things because the majority of vehicles on the road aren't "platinums" or "Limiteds" or AMGs or whathave you and some look good stripped down and some don't. I think a lot of "lux" cars today look good down to base trim mostly because nobody puts small wheels on ANYTHING anymore so that gap is relatively filled in every trim. Edit: Wow, apparently the page/my internet lagged behind and I didn't see your second post till I had already posted this one. Anyway, Thanks for the find! and that looks great if that is the base trim/wheels. Good job Cadillac. I think they have themselves a standup triple.

And none of those are track times. That is my point. You're blowing this Camaro SS out of proportion UNTIL there is an actual comparison made available. ZL1 is not an SS, which you are comparing to the Shelby. So the resale of the ZL1 is pointless in this GT350/SS comparison. Based on your logic, if these numbers are "too close for comfort" why buy a Stingray? Why buy ANYTHING other than a Camaro SS because it is the best bang for your dollar? Right? That is basically what you're saying. 3.9 to 60mph is legitimately FAST. So why buy a car that can do it in 3.5? Would that not be "too close for comfort"? I mean a base Stingray runs 3.9 to 60mph, 1/4 mile in 12.2@118. Why buy it? Because it has the ability to hold 0.04g sustained? No, it has to be because of the brakes. The Vette stops ~15ft shorter than the Camaro. So, for $20,000 you car a car that has better brakes, and less interior room over the Camaro SS. Why buy it? Is it perhaps more than just the sum of those numbers that make it a great car? Absolutely. You're putting so much stock into a few numbers and riding those numbers to the grave high atop your clydesdale.

It's not a drag car and that is all you're currently comparing it to. There aren't comparative lap times that I know of, right? Aaaaand that is what the GT350 is. It is more of a road course car than a drag strip car and all you are comparing it by is straight line numbers. And I HATE, absolutely HATE talking about resale but there will be a much higher resale % for anything labled Shelby over "just" a Camaro(I didn't know how to word that without talking down to the Camaro but you get what I'm saying).

Oh I don't think it will ever look "bad". I'm just curous because we are always showcased the top trims(for obvious reasons) so I want to see what that base 2.0T looks like.

Can't the same exact thing be said for any race ever though? Just because the Chevy has gobs of torque doesn't mean it could start a highway pull at 3 grand or miss a shift and win. There is only one change to win a drag race of any kind. A screw up will lead to the other car winning 99% of the time, unless the car just happens to be an absolute monster. I think the GT350 will definitely have an edge on a highway pull over a standing start though but I think that is kind of obvious with how the car was designed and it's intentions. Yeah, these will be driven by idiots not just going to 60mph. I am not a street racer. Never have, hopefully never will. Gateway Motorsport park is 40 minutes from home and every Wednesday they have a "test n tune" for like 15 bucks. I definitely do not see it as being different to be different. It has that peaky motor for a reason. Sometimes there is such a thing as too much torque and it is more than likely when you're exiting a corner and want to stand on the throttle at a mellow 3-4k(in the Chevy) and POW! torque everywhere. Progressive powerbands have their place and it is definitely not on a drag strip. They know this. Ohhhh man!! YOU JUST WAIT!! Once the 2017 GT500 drops.. It'll just...It'll... FAST!!!!

Soooooo.. From those numbers the random street racer who will do dangerous/stupid/(enter your own adjective here) the gt350 will out run it on a highway pull. I think one of the buggest advantages the SS will have will actually be in the aftermarket though. The SS will have an endless supply of aftermarket parts like Camaros typically do(and Mustangs and Challengers) but I just have a feeling there won't be as much for a flat plane 5.2 like there will a pushrod 6.2 that is put into everything Chevy. So, while the GT350 will outrun it factory v factory there will probably be more an cheaper bolt ons to cover the power gap and there will then be plenty of SSs running around pulling on GT350s. Here is the worst saying ever.. Wait till the GT500.. hahaha

^ agreed. I feel like it is definitely the best bang for your dollar at $55,500. I said this over at MT too when I saw a similar thread.. "I'm now curious what a base model will look like. Usually smaller, uglier wheels and things of the like so as good as it looks all dressed up I'm curious what a lesser trimmed CT6 will look like."

I just can't get over the sound of that car. It's like sex in my ears..but without having sex in my ears.. that'd be f'd up. So it's like sex..but a car.. so it's like a car that I like a lot. What was that mph running a 12.4?

That's what I tried to talk my parents into on their 12 Fusion but my dad was too lazy to either trust I did the research or do his own research and just bought the OEM Michelins. Michelin makes good tires I just cannot justify the additional price over..EVERYTHING ELSE.

I'm in Pittsburgh PA, but I have a very steep driveway and every road home is uphill. I live at the top of a ridge that is the tallest spot for a few miles around me. We call it our snow bump. There is some strange climate pattern here where in our little part of town, we'll get snow when the surrounding area gets rain, or we get a bit more snow than everyone around us. It's really a very very minor change in altitude, but I've been laughed at by people at work when I say I have to shovel my drive yet they only got a dusting. This disparity is pretty frequent. Ahhh I think I knew that! Yeah it sounds like you definitely need something at least snow/winter oriented if you're going to encounter it that often. I know they don't make your size but those DWSs worked wonderfully on my C350 being RWD. I read probably a couple hundred different reviews before I bought a set because I knew I was going to need a superb all season tire. Are you in need for tires for this coming winter?

Drew, what part of the country are you in? Here in southern IL we don't get enough snow to need a winter tire but enough that I couldn't get by on a summer tire. So when I look for an all season the winter traction is a top priority because I still need it when it snows..but we don't get it often enough to require it. I actually REALLY want to drive a RWD car with snow tires in the snow to really grasp how awesome they are. I only hear amazing things about winter tires. But at the same time I'm glad we don't get enough snow because the cheapest snow tire for my Escape is like 250/tire.

Really? Weird. I see them a quarter tick below Michelin and side by side with Pirelli. They don't make anything cheap. To each their own. Plus, they're US owned, I believe. Well at least there is one plant in central IL.

Haha no worries, one and a quarter episodes. I could go for a handful of gin and tonics right about now..

Yeah that's what's on my Escape. No thanks. Not bad. But not worth the money either.

That's why I said it would still have to be a great all around tire to even consider. I agree that the tire itself needs to be very good THEN if this aero tech was added to it it would be a bonus. Plus, if this tech is as simply applied to a tire it can be added to the stickiest of tires and cheapest of junk tires for improvement across the board. Something like this(if it really does give a legitimate benefit) is amazing and can be used on everything to increase efficiency on every vehicle. Check the Continental PureContact. It's similar to that DWS but it is a LRR but it's made for a more common tire size. Or I should say a less sporty size. The DWS is more of a sporty tire as I don't think they have anything taller than a 55 aspect ratio.

My LRR Continental ProContacts(OEM) suck in the winter. I feel like I can't feel my front end grip or slide. I'm not sure if that's more tires or car though. Either way they still have an extremely low giving point in the snow. As for the rain..they aren't bad in any way. I've never hydroplanes. But they kindof give off a little numb feeling. Again, I'm not sure if that's the car or tires. Now I've had the Continental ExtremeContact DWS and absolutely loved them. They weren't a LRR but they were a great tire.

You mean season 1 or 2? Man, I binge watched those like a year ago. Awesome political drama. Great writing, acting. Can't wait for 3. Nope. Haha 1.25. My bus ride in the morning is about 40-45 minutes so I always get stuck in the middle of episodes. I used to hate it but I'm used to it now because I just binge watch it anyway so it's almost like one long-ass movie. That's how I watched Game of Thrones. I got to watch all 5 consecutive(not literally in one sitting or even a week but you know what I mean). I didn't have to wait a week per episode. Well, now I will though...Oh, season three is out now. I think I was told season 4 will be out in February.

DAAAAYYYYYUUUUMMMM SH** gettin' reeeaaal. Just joshin' around fellas.

Wing, you'll do yourself more good just not responding to him. It won't benefit you or anybody else responding to him.

You've driven the 2016 Camaro extensively then? Can you do a write up on it? I'm curious what parts you feel need more refining on a chassis derived from a Cadillac. *hands Wings a bottle of aleo vera* Here's some aleo for that BURN!!! (It helps heal burns, or skin damage in general - DOUBLE BURN FOR PRETENDING YOU DONT KNOW THE BENEFITS OF ALOE VERA ON THE SKIN!!!)

Close enough. If they didn't and the visibility was similar to the outgoing model(which it sounds like it is improved but still similar) I couldn't drive the car on a daily basis. When I sat in a 5th gen I had NO sense of where the front end was so parking would be hell at certain times.

Are their parking sensors on the front bumper?

Exactly, and would you pay a premium for them? Me? Depends what that premium is and if they are actually a good tire. I would have to imagine manufacturers would be lined up for these if they are any good. LRR plus whatever this tech is called.. CAFE is hanging over everybody's head.

Woot Woot!! Congrats again, brother!

I doubt it would be worth paying more for but people are willing to pay more for LRR tires now and that realistically you're only getting 1mpg better. But if it is a tire that will hold up for 80,000 miles it may be worth it. But 50,000? Doubt it. I agree that it is probably minimal at best but you have to start somewhere and plus, if you can gain..3%(random guess but that's just a tad under 1mpg highway for my car) for "free", car manufacturers will do it. Also, is this the kind of benefit that will increase as speed increased? So at 50mph maybe 3% but at 80mph 5%? Because that could be a selling point to travelers or anybody putting 25,000+miles on a car a year. At least then as their mpg decreases from all of the other factors at least one thing will help maintain it..a litle.. Every little bit counts in the long run.