Stew

This is one of my favorite images of the CT6 so far. i can really see previous caddy concepts there, especially in that front.

Views are views, but you badmouth FCA every chance you get, even in threads such as this that didn't have the first thing to do with them. that is outright annoying. In any case i am done here. Just telling the truth bother and sorry if you can't handle it. I speculate that Chrysler us working to cut the low volume and lower profit cars to help them in a merger with someone with a strong car line and no trucks. I saw one financial watcher call it a hail mary. Not my term but the Wall St Analyst. If you also note what I do say is FCA should have put all their money into Chrysler from the start and not Alfa. Where am I wrong here. Is that bashing too? My beef is FCA has raped Chrysler and Sergio is hurting FCA as a whole by not using his strongest division to increase volume and profits. You do not agree Chrysler should not have gotten the Alfa Money. Even now with Alfa losing sales that should make it even clearer. Like I said it is what it is. Knew you couldn't just let it drop.... Honestly, no. I hate to say it, but Chrysler hasn't been the strongest leg of the company for a very long time. Dodge got the lion's share. The CUV, the coupe, the sport's car, the 3 row SUV, and IMHO, they should have gotten the minivan. I like Chrysler, but honestly, they are redundant. Their product portfolio has not been strong for a very long time and until now with the current 200 and Pacifica they were judge a bunch of Dodge leftovers. If they killed CHrysler and gave Dodge back the minivan and a version of the 200 no one would miss them. It is sad, yes, but too many companies standing under one umbrella is not a good hing. If done right, Alfa could be a boom. Something fresh and covering a new sector that is currently not covered here under the FCA banner. Also, the Ram break off was under way well before Fiat was even in he picture. The though was each brand gets to concentrate on what it specializes in. It has worked too. Probably not what you expected and certainly don't agree with, bu there it is.

Views are views, but you badmouth FCA every chance you get, even in threads such as this that didn't have the first thing to do with them. that is outright annoying. In any case i am done here.

No, the fact is YOU do not like the reality. You bitched about their engines, their new 4s will be out this year, then it was hybrid tech, oops, look at that a hybrid Pacifica and Plug-in with 80MPHe in a MINIVAN, oops, and again, they are not stopping production of the 200, the statement is simply that the next one will be based on a platform from another manufacturer. It is dollars and cents (sense.....). Use your brain. With Alfa going all RWD and Dodge basically doing the same, Chrysler is left with only Chrysler needing FWD. Without the sharing it becomes an expensive proposition that would price the car out of it's competitive set. Use your brain, basically every midsize car from the Fusion, to the Malibu, to the Camry has platform mates under their mothership umbrella to share amortization costs and manufacturing costs with. It becomes much more of an issue if you have only 1 or 2 vehicles under the same umbrella to try to spread all of the development costs, tooling, and manufacturing costs with. The do need a lighter platform for their midsize/compacts and in this case that is simply the most cost-effective way to go. It is the same reason Ford used he Mazda 6 platform for the Fusion and GM and Ford teamed up fr the new 10 speed auto. Seriously, if you actually think about it,it makes sense. You are just too busy singing Chysler death knell sto see that. Chrsler is putting out their first hybrid in 2017, right? How far have GM and Ford come in that same time? I know Ford's had a few hybrids and obviously GM has had some, and they have a full EV next year as well. Ford's Fusion was 09 and Escape in 2004! The Volt came out in 2010 and a Silverado/Sierra with a hybrid system in 2005 as well. So yes, Chrysler will finally have a hybrid in 2017 a mere 20 years after Toyota, 13 years after Ford, 12 after Chevy. Good job. The Dart's engines weren't tops in their class when it came out, or top 3. That is a fail when you introduce a BRAND NEW vehicle to a class and you aren't class leading in mpg, or any performance metric(be it efficiency or 1/4 mile - doesn't matter, it wasn't very good). ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Wait, Chrysler? Screw that, let's get back to talking about the sweet and sexy CT6! Any ideas if the new ttV8 will be a V Series? or VSport? or just a badass engine before a V Series..? 2009 Chrysler Aspen Hybrid Muahaha. That was the hybrid system they developed with GM and it was also in the GM fullsize trucks and SUVs I think?

No, the fact is YOU do not like the reality. You bitched about their engines, their new 4s will be out this year, then it was hybrid tech, oops, look at that a hybrid Pacifica and Plug-in with 80MPHe in a MINIVAN, oops, and again, they are not stopping production of the 200, the statement is simply that the next one will be based on a platform from another manufacturer. It is dollars and cents (sense.....). Use your brain. With Alfa going all RWD and Dodge basically doing the same, Chrysler is left with only Chrysler needing FWD. Without the sharing it becomes an expensive proposition that would price the car out of it's competitive set. Use your brain, basically every midsize car from the Fusion, to the Malibu, to the Camry has platform mates under their mothership umbrella to share amortization costs and manufacturing costs with. It becomes much more of an issue if you have only 1 or 2 vehicles under the same umbrella to try to spread all of the development costs, tooling, and manufacturing costs with. The do need a lighter platform for their midsize/compacts and in this case that is simply the most cost-effective way to go. It is the same reason Ford used he Mazda 6 platform for the Fusion and GM and Ford teamed up fr the new 10 speed auto. Seriously, if you actually think about it,it makes sense. You are just too busy singing Chysler death knell sto see that. Chrsler is putting out their first hybrid in 2017, right? How far have GM and Ford come in that same time? I know Ford's had a few hybrids and obviously GM has had some, and they have a full EV next year as well. Ford's Fusion was 09 and Escape in 2004! The Volt came out in 2010 and a Silverado/Sierra with a hybrid system in 2005 as well. So yes, Chrysler will finally have a hybrid in 2017 a mere 20 years after Toyota, 13 years after Ford, 12 after Chevy. Good job. The Dart's engines weren't tops in their class when it came out, or top 3. That is a fail when you introduce a BRAND NEW vehicle to a class and you aren't class leading in mpg, or any performance metric(be it efficiency or 1/4 mile - doesn't matter, it wasn't very good). ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Wait, Chrysler? Screw that, let's get back to talking about the sweet and sexy CT6! Any ideas if the new ttV8 will be a V Series? or VSport? or just a badass engine before a V Series..? Here we agree. Chrysler should have never even been brought up....... Anyways...... The V8 is just supposed to be an optional engine on higher trims. I have my doubts they will do a V series o this car because I don't really think the boy racer bits would fit here as they do on the smaller and sportier CTS. IMHO, the CT6 is about class and luxury above all else and that I believe will be a winner.

No, the fact is YOU do not like the reality. You bitched about their engines, their new 4s will be out this year, then it was hybrid tech, oops, look at that a hybrid Pacifica and Plug-in with 80MPHe in a MINIVAN, oops, and again, they are not stopping production of the 200, the statement is simply that the next one will be based on a platform from another manufacturer. It is dollars and cents (sense.....). Use your brain. With Alfa going all RWD and Dodge basically doing the same, Chrysler is left with only Chrysler needing FWD. Without the sharing it becomes an expensive proposition that would price the car out of it's competitive set. Use your brain, basically every midsize car from the Fusion, to the Malibu, to the Camry has platform mates under their mothership umbrella to share amortization costs and manufacturing costs with. It becomes much more of an issue if you have only 1 or 2 vehicles under the same umbrella to try to spread all of the development costs, tooling, and manufacturing costs with. The do need a lighter platform for their midsize/compacts and in this case that is simply the most cost-effective way to go. It is the same reason Ford used he Mazda 6 platform for the Fusion and GM and Ford teamed up fr the new 10 speed auto. Seriously, if you actually think about it,it makes sense. You are just too busy singing Chysler death knell sto see that.

Sedans sales will remain flat. The SUV models at Lincoln and Cadillac will provide volume and the sedans will make it on profit. Cadillac is in a place they do not have to sell a ton of sedans anymore. The price point here carry's them to high profits and the volume in China takes care of the rest, Lincoln will not sell a ton of sedans but they too will do fine on profit. They will sell these at twice the price of the average Fusion and they do not really cost close to that to build. That is why everyone is looking to this segment and why those inside Ford were able to save Lincoln. There is just too much profit per unit to give up here. Unless you are Chrysler and you discount the 300 to the price of a mid size car. It is really sad how mismanaged FCA is. They could and should be making a killing on the 300 if they would update it with a new platform and added technology. Yet they let it wither on the vine. They have mismanaged the 200 and Dart now they think leaving the segment is a good idea? Just plain nuts. Any chance to take a shot at FCA.... You realize Cadillac rebates right now are FAR higher than 300 rebates, right? I can pretty well guarantee you they are making plenty of profit on each 300 sold. Also, where is it missing tech? The platform is also fine for what the 300 is. With the CT6 Caddy is finally realizing it isn't all about figure 8s and lateral Gs, it is about the ride to most and the 300 has that in spades. it also has a good looking exterior. if it is lacking anywhere it is the interior design. We are just a couple years off from it's replacement anyway which WILL be on a new platform. It just feels bland. Caddy is doing interiors right. heck, Dodge is doing better interior design than the 300 has got in their LX variants. If they updated the interior to be more inline wih the 200/Pacfica that alone would be he biggest upgrade it needs. And none o this is a kick on Caddy, I LOVE what they are doing, but i think the CT6 is where they need to be on all their cars except the sportiest variants and they will get there. Stew I know well that Cadillac has rebates but they are not selling their luxury cars for $28k-$35K either. My in-laws own one they bought for just over $30K new. It was a very good buy for them but little meat on the bone for FCA. Now even with discounts on Cadillac the profits are still there as they have a lot of meat on that bone even at the rebated price. Now if you are comfortable with Chrysler selling a 300 that cheap that is fine but that is a car that should hold a much higher and much more profitable price point. Keep in mind you are the one who said the 200 and Dart were just doing just great and I said they were struggling You got mad at me for that. Well are you now mad at Sergio for killing them for struggling vs. fixing them like he should? I think most here would agree with my observations of FCA and their failure to do the things they should be doing. Stop relying on Alfa to save them. To not abandon the small car segment and if you want to fix FCA the path is through a better financed and better focused Chrysler not any of the Italian brands. Chrysler would bring the volume and profits they need but not just by only doing trucks and SUV models. A well balance and executed portfolio of Chrysler owned products would be strong for FCA but right now Sergio either can not afford to do it or is foolish enough to think they can not do a mid size car? Now if you think that is a shot at Chrysler then I really question your allegiance to the brand. To me you have a house on fire and you appear to think it will not burn down if you deny it is on fire. Most of my Chrysler buddies are besides themselves over what is going on there. These are some real hard core guys and they are not happy with Sergio or FCA. But I guess we are all wrong and only you and Sergio are right. FYI if this all goes south I will be the first to tell you I told you so. I will not do it with glee but in hope as I really will be sad to see Chrysler go down. Dude, your first HUGE wrong assumption is hat Chrysler is a full-on Luxury brand like Cadillac, they are not. They are actually the mainstream and before that more entry level ala Buick. FYI, the 200 IS doing just great, never said as much on the Dart though, just that it DOES sell enough to be profitable. Again, they are NOT leaving those segments, basically just outsourcing the smaller cars. It makes sense and ou would realize that if ou had read my other post in the Chrysler forum. I also called out the 300 where it actually NEEDS work. You simply do not like them and take every chance to down them, even in a Cadillac thread. That says a lot about our thoughts..............

I am glad the ACR is sending i out with a bang and with the track process the original vipers and the 08 ACR that made them what they were. IMHO, they still need a 2 seat performance car that is more comfortable, more street-able, and less expensive. The 6.4 Hemi fitted with an aluminum block starting in the low/mid 50s would be a great starting point, then they could work up from here. This shouldn't be called a Viper though. Maybe design a V10 version, new V10 though, maybe based on Hemi Architecture with say, a 6.5 liter displacement and at least 650 HP with as much weight savings as possible. Call that the Viper. Just an idea. Rumors swirl there will be a new one, but they do need to rethink the formula.

This is growing on me, though I am certainly in he minority by not liking those door handles. The coupe looks great. really makes me think of the 93-96 Mark VIII. That isn't a bad think as I still love those cars.

Sedans sales will remain flat. The SUV models at Lincoln and Cadillac will provide volume and the sedans will make it on profit. Cadillac is in a place they do not have to sell a ton of sedans anymore. The price point here carry's them to high profits and the volume in China takes care of the rest, Lincoln will not sell a ton of sedans but they too will do fine on profit. They will sell these at twice the price of the average Fusion and they do not really cost close to that to build. That is why everyone is looking to this segment and why those inside Ford were able to save Lincoln. There is just too much profit per unit to give up here. Unless you are Chrysler and you discount the 300 to the price of a mid size car. It is really sad how mismanaged FCA is. They could and should be making a killing on the 300 if they would update it with a new platform and added technology. Yet they let it wither on the vine. They have mismanaged the 200 and Dart now they think leaving the segment is a good idea? Just plain nuts. Any chance to take a shot at FCA.... You realize Cadillac rebates right now are FAR higher than 300 rebates, right? I can pretty well guarantee you they are making plenty of profit on each 300 sold. Also, where is it missing tech? The platform is also fine for what the 300 is. With the CT6 Caddy is finally realizing it isn't all about figure 8s and lateral Gs, it is about the ride to most and the 300 has that in spades. it also has a good looking exterior. if it is lacking anywhere it is the interior design. We are just a couple years off from it's replacement anyway which WILL be on a new platform. It just feels bland. Caddy is doing interiors right. heck, Dodge is doing better interior design than the 300 has got in their LX variants. If they updated the interior to be more inline wih the 200/Pacfica that alone would be he biggest upgrade it needs. And none o this is a kick on Caddy, I LOVE what they are doing, but i think the CT6 is where they need to be on all their cars except the sportiest variants and they will get there.

I find it funny a Ford lover, who's primary products that carry the company are it's F-series and SUVs........ There are bright spots: New 4 cylinders THIS YEAR, new hybrid tech coming down. I also read the death of the Dart and 200 as they were going to let a partner build the replacement or at least use another makers platform and production facilities for the next one. This isn't a bad or unusa thing since many have done it, IE Ford using the original Mazda 6 platform to underpin the 06-12 Fusion and using a Volvo platform to underpin nearly everything else, including the current Explorer. The hybrid Wrangler intrigues me because off-road with instant torque when it is needed seems decent. Also, i don't think the emphasis on CUVs is a bad thing. Think about it, the fastest growing segment is the CUV, particularly the smaller ones. Look at how the Renegade, Trax, Encore, and Cherokee have taken of and how the Compass/Patriot still sell very well despite heir circa 07 tech. Use the right tech and they can come close to, if not match, the compacts in FE. You also get the room and utility of a midsize car, or bigger, with much smaller footprints, tighter turning, more cargo hauling ability and in every case an optional AWD option. This is also why makers such as Cadillac are increasing their CUV production and why. They are what people want. At least GM and FCA realize this. Ford's lack of a subcompact SUV at this point is a MAJOR oversight. Hybrids and electrics: Guys, the onl successful full electrics are VERY expensive luxury cars. The Volt, Bolt, and Prius are all........ Hybrids either conventional or plug-in. The Pacifica out THIS YEAR is a plug-in. The only mainstream Electric to really see even close to success is he leaf and even then it is basically stalled. In the hear and now and for the foreseeable future, Hybridization just makes a LOT more sense than full electrification due to price and outside of certain areas there is simply no infrastructure for electrics yet and are probably a decade or more off. We know trucks are going to remain strong. They are an American staple and even when gas was nearly 4 bucks a gallon the still remained top sellers for the big 3. That isn't going to change. Remember he best selling vehicle in America for 38 years is a truck, not a compact car. The addition of a Jeep pickup is a guaranteed hit. or that I thank GM for showing us here is still a market for a well-done compact/midsize truck. The Dodge and Chrysler question. Regardless o the concentration on trucks they do still need a car business and ones that make CUV's without worrying about having an expensive trail-rated version. I don't honestly see them axing Dodge or Chrysler in the foreseeable future. They are putting into them and the new Pacific is certainly a big investment. I think, and this is me guessing, the realignment will be what the target has been. A number of mainstream CUV's coming to Chrysler and the performance cars such as he Challenger, Charger, upcoming Cuda and a probable new Viper will stay with Dodge. Just a guess though and we will see. Yes i am still positive on this as i am that Cadillac will jump in overall sales in a few years to challenge the best of the lux makers. Take it for what you will.

Awaiting 1LE info.

3800 V6 is a fine motor, my parents 00 Regal has a guestimated 250k miles. No 14 Regals of course with it lol. Anyway, I ope we see the Avista in a couple years. Make AWD Available with the 30.TT or 3.6TT and it would be an excellent S5 competitor.

they have outdone themselves here. i think this is the best execution of the modern Caddy styling, longer, lower, wider, really gives it that wow factor. Love that interior too, very excellent and the whole thing is still recognizable as nothing but a Cadillac.

With the excellent first drive reviews the CT6 is getting, the V8 should just make it that much better. I would bet, like the V6 offerings, it will AWD only, which honestly doesn't bother me one bit. I love this car more and more.

I love this, just wish it had an inch or 2 extra ground clearance and was available as a regular cab (wish the 8 speed was available in the regular cab too).

I agree, turbo diesel 4 would be perfect. Low end torque and high fe? yip. I would bet it would soar in popularity just like the Canyon and Colorado diesels and the ram diesel.

Nest Wrangler, which his will be based of of, will have the updated 3.6 pentastar and the 8 speed transmission. There is also supposed to be an ecodiesel version. I don't think a 4 would make he cut though.

Makes complete sense.

Sounds interesting. I wonder if the new CUV will keep the Com/Pat's value pricing? I am guessing i will probably slide in between the Renegade and Cherokee with pricing as it does in size. The 9 speed auto will be a welcome edition as I am sure there will be Trailhawk with he 9 speed auto with low range. If it picks up the combined prices of the current 2 that will mean 14-15k a month for it, not shabby at all. And so happy the Wrangler pickup is official. It will no doubt be a massive hit basically right off the bat. The Jeep faithful have been asking for this, well, for decades!

Definitely blows the the Prius out of the water in looks, and a 6 speed DC instead of a CVT? Plus, Plus. More details should be interesting.

That does sound more plausible, especially considering both dealerships were from the same area. If true i don't see one region making that large of an impact on overall sales.

What is really the difference between a full time 4wd and AWD? My 99 Z71 has a multimode 4wd hat includes 2WD, high, low, and full-time. And in the fulltime mode it will transfer power between axles for traction. 03-04 Dakotas also offered a fulltime 4wd system with full-time, 4 high, and 4 low. I am pretty sure the Canyon is available with a fulltime 4wd system as well. it is one of the things I liked in the Canyon vs the Colorado. It would still have a 2WD setting btw. The only thing really special is the torque vectoring in the Honda system and one has to think what ood is that gonna be on a truck?

Yet this is only 4x4, not AWD like the Skyhawk. So that is one difference or am I missing something else that is a major difference? There are 2 different systems. Active drive 1 is basically a fancy AWG system. It is optional on the lower trims. Active drive 2 has the AWD capabilities plus a low range crawl ratio and limited slip diff. It is optional on the Limited and standard on the Trailhawk and Overland. This is a surprisingly capable system and is standard on the Renegade trailhawk, though here that is the only one it is on.

Yet this is only 4x4, not AWD like the Skyhawk. So that is one difference or am I missing something else that is a major difference? Are you having a stroke? Sniffing too much CNG? LOL this is the second funny typo you've made. Skyhawk is a Buick. Trailhawk is a Jeep. The Trailhawk is a 4x4 system is the same as the Limited's and Overland's with Active-Drive II, it just has a locking rear differential. Jeep outlines the differences of all of their 4x4 systems on a single page. And a 56:1 low range crawl ratio the active drive 1 lacks.