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  1. I did see in their updated press released, where they changed the range to reflect all trims, including the base model. My error and I can admit that. However, that still does not change my point about the price bump and 69 more miles of range doesn’t really change that. They knew they were going with one battery from the jump and that should have been reflected in a proper price announcement from the start, not “oh it was around this price but now it’s $5K more and won’t come out until six to nine months after the more expensive models that we are really hoping to sell. Again, that is a Tesla tactic and I am not down with it.
  2. Somehow missed this the other day, just as you missed the part where I was referring to GM fans and not GM itself. I made that pretty clear in the post you quoted yet somehow missed the actual words that were said. My exact words (that you quoted and misread somehow)… “especially after almost two years of “it’s going to start under $30K” crowing by GMs fans like yourself” If you’re going to quote me, then quote the correct words and not words you thought you saw.
  3. My new favorite groove by Rival Sons. The lyrics alone, are worth the listen but Jay Buchanon’s vocals are what sell it.
  4. Passed both the first time but the weird part of mine was the fact that the lady that rode with me during my driving test just happened to be my uncle's ex-wife (they divorced before I was born so I never knew she even existed lol). Didn't know who she was until my dad told me, after the driving test. Probably a smart move lol.
  5. That’s why I go by the facts at hand and not by what someone “sees” and I made that distinction very clear here. And given his past criticism of Tesla and their pricing games, you’d think he would see the issue here but yet here he is saying is he not “blindly defending GM” while saying the above. The product is irrelevant when the product won’t even be released first and instead we get two models that start at $13K higher than the new higher price for the yet to be actually released $35K model. Until the actual product hits, the known price is what we have to analyze here and that’s it. He can make up any excuse about my intent or anything else for that matter but it changes literally nothing that was said here and I stand by it 100%.
  6. I seem to recall a certain Tesla fan raving on about profits and market values recently. Guessing they are looking for some seasoning to go with the crow today. Everyone that wasn’t locked into Musks every word knew this was coming. Tesla’s challenge is how they respond to the competition here and in places like China where BYD is coming up fast and hot. Zero sympathy for Elon or his ilk.
  7. “Hung up”. Yeah. That’s what it is. Not because they keep sliding the price scale upward and then don’t even release the said cheaper model first so by the time it actually comes out, it may be even higher because of “unforeseen circumstances” like inflation and shortages over the last three years lol. Whether it’s Tesla, GM, Rivian, or Ford using “at” or “around”, it’s a BS tactic and that is what you clearly have not gotten here while making up excuses with word semantics and just being GM.
  8. While giving him a pass on this in the past, I believe that was made in error. I mean, based on these very basic stats between the Bolt and CX-9, it’s possible…. …that he is not telling the whole truth here lol. The CX-9 is larger in literally every regard and no amount of “packaging” changes those facts. But hey, maybe my skinnier 6’5” cousin was just sitting in that Bolt wrong recently lol. My guess is he was lacking K-Y.
  9. Don’t bother explaining yourself to the irony challenged. It’s why I’ve said squat to him. A troll telling others they are trolling is still…a troll, for example.
  10. Only the RS/AWD trims gained in range (19). The allegedly cheaper FWD LT stays put at 250 (until GM officially says otherwise) so its only real gain is, in fact, the price.
  11. And don’t get my wrong about the unions and their role here. They wanted more money and they got it. Now, they better validate that raise with a product to match or they will ensure a disaster for those companies down the road. Put up or shut up, basically, at this point.
  12. Yet it could have been $22K after the rebate. Which one sounds more enticing to the customer before pulling the rug out from underneath them? $27K or $22K, especially after almost two years of “it’s going to start under $30K” crowing by GMs fans like yourself (there are repeated posts by you making this claim over that time)? See if your word game applies here. Don’t “agree to disagree”. Actually make a valid point supporting GMs misleading claim of pricing on a vehicle that will not even be the first one out the gate? Explain how it makes any difference (as far as the wording) when the first models coming up for this “around $30K” are both far north of that price by “around” $18K?
  13. No need to wonder. The big 3 would continue to not pay their workers enough while producing a subpar (at times) product. Sorry but if CEOs like Barra can collect $29 million last year (alone) to basically be a mouthpiece, then they can afford to pay their workers an actual living wage. Not saying the UAW is perfect because I have called them out many times in the past but to act like these companies would somehow be better without unions is ignoring the reasons why they exist in the first place.
  14. Not when it comes to the same expectations from prospective customers expecting a closer to $30K EV instead of a $35K EV that won’t even be out first. In a battle to gain a certain amount of good PR and trust, GM ended up doing the same thing as Tesla. Whether someone put down money on it is irrelevant because it’s the same negative PR result. That’s what you are not getting while continuing use SMK like bar moving defense of GM. “Agree to disagree”. That’s on you since you’re the one blindly defending the practice while I called out both companies for it without the excuses.
  15. You literally did just that above, hence me quoting you on it. Like I said before, the word semantics matter not one bit to prospective customers who were told one thing only to be misled or lied to over. Around or at, it’s the same offense, end of discussion.
  16. Absolutely no difference except where people want word semantics to be involved. Skip the fact that, once again, the cheaper model is “down the road”. Ccap is right. That is deceptive pricing and using the word “around” means less when we are talking about being closer to 30K and not 35K. Nice little 15% gap there. It was BS when Tesla did it and its BS here.
  17. Remember ccap. Some companies get a pass on lying to their customers while others don’t and all because of the badge on the hood.
  18. I see why you had the summer you did. Because you won’t admit to anything that calls you out nor do accept a very simple explanation of why you were and are still wrong about me. You clearly read what you wanted to read because it’s easier for you to be confrontational than to just admit that you don’t know $h! about me. My sensationalism reference is about you, not about the article (which was, in fact, and opinion piece sprinkled with a few facts). Get that through your thick skull before making yet another ignorant assumption about me. Since you want to make assumptions though, I have some for you. You talk constantly about being the way you are because being Greek, or being French Canadian, or being whatever other excuse you like to make for what you actually are, which is just being a grade A asshole. Has not one thing to do with your culture or where you live. You make the choice to be this way. Be an asshole on your own time but leave me and my name out of it and I will do the same because you are just not worth the time it took to even type this.
  19. And that is why you fail. I am not a “brand nut jobber”. That’s just you sensationalizing as always because of your clear bias AGAINST some brands. You confuse my explanations of Toyota with fandom and that’s why I am quite honestly tired of the endless horse$h! you keep peddling over it. Get over it already and don’t drop my name like that when you clearly have had no clue WTF you are about. It’s that simple. (I wasn’t going to respond but that “brand nut jobber” BS was not going to stand when I know it’s a 100% lie) Quite frankly, this is where you stand with me and that’s the end of it.
  20. Cute opinion based articles disguised as "news" but hey, you got to have something right? All of the data about recalls and such have been well documented and Toyota earned scorn for the larger ones (like the UA debacle). Duh. Seriously. The fact is that they had to dive back into the 90's to fill the article up with this "data" is telling. Now, if I were to find some articles on GM and their debacles in JUST the last 20 years (the biggest being bankruptcy because of decades of neglect), how long would those articles stretch? Go ahead and actually compare for once. Seriously, Toyota has issues but this "crusade" to play "gotcha" just because some folks here had the nerve to actually compliment the company a few times or you just otherwise have a hate hard on for the company, is trolling 101 and just childish nonsense. You are no better than a certain German/Tesla pom pom waver who goes out of his way to be deliberately outlandish and confrontational. This is why I don't post that often here anymore. It's not worth the hassle of dealing the same wash, rinse, repeat nature of attitudes here. Sorry but that is just how I see it. Another time but I will leave this little nugget about GM from 2014 because "lest we forget...". "GM has recalled more vehicles in 2014 than it has sold since its filed for bankruptcy in 2008." https://www.dividend.com/how-to-invest/a-full-look-at-the-2014-general-motors-recalls-gm/ And I'm out (for while because hip surgery calls on Monday).
  21. And remember @smk4565, it has been YOU that has crowed on about the Cybertruck for the last three years, years that were promised a Cybertruck by Elon and his fans the following year, each year. You had ZERO issue with the possibility of quick production and even touted their ability to do so during those three years. Now you are on here making excuses about the repeated delays buy saying that this is "normal" (it is clearly not) and then throwing in some non-related BS about sales. FFS. That is what is wrong with people lately. Can't just admit their error and move the F on. Good luck with that (same goes to anyone here with the same level of stubbornness).
  22. Like I said, endless excuses and that fact will never change. BTW, not one part of what I said about timelines had $h! to do with sales bar mover. aHad no jack squat to with whether Kia is better or not. This was about concept timelines and the FACT IS THAT THE CYBERTRUCK HAS BEEN SLOW TO DEVELOP and that is a FACT backed by Tesla's own CEO, not your pom pom waving fanboy OPINION. Get that yet or do you want to make up more reasons why you are wrong? Finally, those were just TWO examples of the many vehicles that have hit the floor quicker than the Cybertruck. You can add in literally dozens of others that have been quicker than it but hey, "sales, sales, sales" when you run out of excuses right?
  23. So just make up any excuse to cover up the fact that he said production was originally supposed to start in 2021 when he announced it in 2019 (having been in "concept" concept before then). And that 4 years is a lie in this day and age and you know that. Kia's EV9 is going from concept to production in less than 3. The Mach-E was announced 2019 and was on sale the next year so just stop with the endless excuses when even Elon has confessed to the endless delays delaying the Cybertruck. Again, you ignore facts to make up excuses and feelings. And touting that dumb bulletproof video is just sheer ignorance and fanboy BS. That is a lawsuit waiting to happen. Notice they didn't shoot at that once unbreakable glass (that Elon broke in front of the world). Keep drinking that Kool-Aid though.
  24. That's the problem here. You speak form "feelings" instead of facts. Here is more of the facts starting with this: "Economies of scale won't help bring down cost for a while. The CEO still thinks Tesla will eventually build 250,000 Cybertrucks a year, but said it won't reach that production rate until sometime in 2025 at the earliest." That is straight from your man's mouth. 2025 at the EARLIEST. Source: https://www.motortrend.com/news/tesla-cybertruck-deliveries-begin-november-elon-musk/ Point here is to just stop it with the feelings and cheerleading and try dealing in facts. The facts are right there above so try it on and see if it fits.
  25. Good grief. Not those numbers. I’m talking about these mythical figures you have saying that AI based self driving will somehow be better despite the litany of evidence to the contrary (and, again, the fact that Elon can even get his current self driving systems right, nevermind this version 12 nonsense. And November 30th you say? Now is that full production date (it’s not btw) or the slow roll out date that everyone else not named SMK already knew? https://www.yahoo.com/finance/news/elon-musk-says-dug-own-102158965.html And I quote… ”Musk said that he wanted to "temper expectations" for the electric truck's launch, which Tesla announced would be on November 30.”
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