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“I’m giving you a Convertible CUV” Or they could just serve me a bowl of vomit and skip a step.
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It’s not a dead on ringer, but one can’t help but notice (At least the grill anyway and the lights to a lesser extent). There have been far worse examples of riffing though.
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Dear god NO!
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Maybe it needs to seen without the “camo” but ugh, that does not look very good on first impressions. Hate leaked shots though because of shots like these. They never really make the cars look good at all. The front end resembles the XT6 in a bad way here. Decent interior it seems but the whole thing seems to be a swing and miss in the looks department.
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The Chevy Trailblazer Thinks You Don't Want a Cruze: Comments
surreal1272 replied to Drew Dowdell's topic in LA Auto Show
Do the Drive Modes come with extra cylinders lol? Now that’s a feature I’d love to see! -
Opel has little to nothing to do with CUV demand in the US. Besides, those sedans will continue in China where they sell very well, without Opel.
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The Chevy Trailblazer Thinks You Don't Want a Cruze: Comments
surreal1272 replied to Drew Dowdell's topic in LA Auto Show
Better have more than three cylinders with that “package” lol. -
Not surprising given current trends but still disappointing. The Tour X looks better than every CUV they sell IMO. Should at least keep that but I know that won’t happen either because Americans hate that naughty little word “wagon”.
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The Verano is also a good starter car while still looking “new” today. Drove a couple of those and I know it’s a reskinned Cruze but it drove so much better and it is naturally more comfortable on my back with the better seats. The Cruze seats felt a little too firm and flat for my taste but the Verano was about right. Only thing I didn’t care for was the space (in regards to width) but that is going to happen when one has driven a full size for so many years (and why current runabout is even worse in that regard lol).
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Very odd it lacking ABS. Even my wife’s ‘03 GA had that. No love loss on though IMO. Her ABS would get a little flaky at times so maybe that’s a good thing here. Personally I always like this gen. of the Bonneville. Came real close to buying an ‘05 years ago but the guy sold it before I could get it. They have been harder to find because their sales tailed off hard during their last years. Oh well.
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Those have always been pretty solid cars Reg. My wife had an ‘03 Grand Am and as much flak as those cars caught, it never broke down and she always liked it. After 11 years of it, she finally sold it and got an ‘08 HHR. That only lasted for a little over three years before she bought her current ride (too many electrical gremlins with it even though it ran like a tank). Congrats. Free is always good. It will make a good first car for your daughter. Tell her to keep track of those oil changes though lol! OH NO! Did I say something positive about a GM car with a fair analysis? Oh my word! What is this world coming to? (Sarcasm for the sarcasm challenged)
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Other reviews. https://www.caranddriver.com/hyundai/palisade https://www.motortrend.com/cars/hyundai/palisade/2020/2020-hyundai-palisade-pros-and-cons-review/ Other reviews from actual owners https://www.edmunds.com/hyundai/palisade/2020/consumer-reviews/
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Review after review, from people who have actually driven and spent time in them, has been overwhelmingly positive. Kudos to Hyundai and Kia for not making them look like rebadge jobs like Ford and GM did so many times back in the day.
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Drew sat in and drove one yet doesn’t share the same gripes as certain folks here. Three other reviews by major publications echo the same sentiments as Drew. Interesting. Confirmation is bias is, indeed, a real thing.
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Balth made the best point about it a while back. All the current regulations have led to very much homogenous designs so there are bound to be similarities across the board from one model to the next. I’m less concerned with who is riffing who and more concerned with whether it’s a good a reliable product that will meet my needs.
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Agree about Genesis (Save for the ugo looks of that G90 front end). There should have already been a CUV from them but if they can up the game and truly separate it from the Palisade, they will have a winner. Going with a different platform will certainly help their cause on that. Otherwise it would just look like a cheap rebadge.
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2020 Genesis G90 Debuts for America: Comments
surreal1272 replied to Drew Dowdell's topic in LA Auto Show
If they would do something about that hideous grill, they would be in better shape in the looks department but that grill simply looks about two sizes too big for it. The interior does look pretty nice though. -
That’s what I’ve been gathering via several mainstream publication reviews. I was surprised they didn’t point out anything being “cheap”. They did however comment that the interiors were toe to toe with Buick and Acura and even said that the interior was nicer than some luxury vehicles. I know that the Koreans have caught a lot of flak (and deservedly so at times) over the years but this is a different time and those who cling to their past bias as ammunition for today are not paying close enough attention to what is actually being offered. Ten years ago, I wouldn’t touch anything out that country but they have stepped up their game and when they have models being compared to brands like Cadillac, then clearly they are doing something right whether some folks want to admit it or not.
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@Drew Dowdell-What are your thoughts on the fit and finish of the Palisade? Does it feel cheap or otherwise have a “plasticky” feeling about it?
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Anywho (because this nonsense has gone on long enough and one brand brick walls never learn), the Pallisade shows that Hyundai has no problem blurring the lines between mainstream and premium (borderline luxury) CUVs. Ten yearS ago, no one would have given them time of day much less have them being compared to much pricier brands like Cadillac. It has taken a page out of the Corvette playbook and shown that it will gladly play out of its weight class (or price class in this case) and do it fairly well even if one brand fanboys refuse to see it. As long as It’s reliability is at or above par (Hyundai and Kia have been above par overall the last few years), it will be a solid seller for Hyundai. Read into that what you will. Call me a “Korean fanboy”, like an idiot, if you will. It doesn’t change any of the facts here.
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With a starting price that is $20K higher than the Hyundai, it better be $20K better than it but the fact that the Hyundai can even be mentioned along side the Cadillac seems to contradict that assessment. No amount of “dealership experience” makes for that either especially if one has actually had a Cadillac dealership experience worth that kind of coin. It reminds me of the comparison made between the Vette and cars like the 911. Sure, the Vette competes with it (and then some) but is a Chevrolet dealership experience anywhere close to a Porsche dealership experience? Is the build even comparable?
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@Drew Dowdell--And thanks for clearing up the light piping issue. My apologies for misreading intent. Having said that, your description of it comes off as a more honest and objective evaluation as opposed to the "Koreans are nothing but foreign junk that copies everyone" diatribes that polluted this thread. I personally don't think its that big of a riff but I can see some similarities. That does not change my stance on the fact that Hyundai and Kia are not unique in the borrowing of styling cues department. Thank you again for clarifying.
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That very last sentence there is key. Were too derivative of other makes for years? Yes. Are they much less of that now? Also yes. Regarding the display, yes it is similar to Benz but if they would have done like everyone and slapped on a gigantic iPad in the center, they would been copying dozens. You can’t win either way. These days they are no more guilty of copying someone than any other make.
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It’s shameful that a Hyundai catches the eye more than a Cadillac but GM made their choice with the XT6 and have to live that stigma. It’s more than nice enough on the inside but about as exciting on the outside as 1970s Volvo. Hoping the next Escalade doesn’t share that same bring look.
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But that LED piping! They are just ripping Cadillac off! Only GM is allowed to that! Don’t you see man?
