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Would you use an App for C&G if we had one?
surreal1272 replied to Drew Dowdell's topic in The Lounge
As long as the app carried the same features as the mobile site, then absolutely. Another plus is not being one of those crash happy apps. Stability is your friend. -
I'm good. Sorry for any escalation on my part.
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And? The comment I replied to was before your edit. So what? You made your post with a very clear intent because "Oh man! Surreal made a mistake so I'm going to throw it in his face." was the only thing you were thinking. I have almost always admitted when I've made a blatant mistake like that. Maybe you should take a mental note of that next time.
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See above apology and stop acting like you’ve never made a damn mistake.
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You still have not paid attention regarding my trolling statement. Whether it was trolling or not wasn’t the point. There wasn’t anything about it that wasn’t actually the truth. And joke or not, you chose to harp on my clarifying of the point so... My apologies. I referenced a C&D article and it mentioned it. My mistake. It doesn’t change the fact that Benz is leaning more and more on FWD models to boost their sales so for SMK to harp on Cadillac is to also harp on Benz who barely had a FWD anything just five years ago.
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Literally everything you just said is 100% unrelated to what I said regarding the increase in FWD Mercedes models. While we are talking about “best sellers” though, I couldn’t help but notice you failed to mention Mercedes best seller, the hideous “I’m not sure if I’m a tall car or a slouchy Wagon” GLC that happens to be, you guessed it, FRONT WHEEL DRIVE! And in 2009 Benz had zero and now have four but what I have learned from you is that it’s okay for Benz to do it because that’s what the customer wants but if Cadillac does it, it’s because of failure. No offense but you clearly didn’t judging by your cherry picking my one statement out of many. You pulling up alleged examples of trolling doesn’t mean that the statements were wrong. Understand the difference yet?
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Please read the entire conversation first. This wasn’t just about whether it was a money grab. It was about Mercedes playing to the cheap market which is okay but he apparently thinks that is the only way Cadillac can play, because he thinks they’re cheap.
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There was no goalpost moving. You criticized Cadillac for the percentage of FWD models sold while ignoring the increase in FWD sales for Mercedes over the last four years, showing more reliance on those FWD models to boost sales. And again, the A Class itself was not point in my talk about reliability and you know that. Go back and read it more carefully before assuming that’s what I’m talking about. I am talking about this automatic pass you give for one car (regarding quality) while ignoring the fact that even their higher priced cars had many quality issues. If their next up the food chain car (C Class) is getting hammered in that regard, then why should anyone assume that the next one down the food chain is any better. See the connection yet? Now that’s a goal post move. Based on your logic, would you say that the Jeep Wrangler is quality or has been quality over the last three decades even though is had always sold well? How about the Escalade, which routinely beats the Mercedes competition? You say that recalls have no bearing on quality yet used that very argument against Ford. So do recalls only matter when we are talking about the competition? And BS on the one model nonsense because you have been saying that for years (before the release of the CT4 and CT5) and even thought they were cutting down to one or maybe two models not even two years ago. How’d that work out?
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Fair point but it has been bulletproof thus it is not junk to me.
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Owner of a ‘96 RAV 4 with 267K miles on it. It’s not shiny anymore but it’s never been junk.
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So we are to believe the A Class will be high quality but the next model up from it, the C Class, didn’t get tat memo. https://carbuzz.com/news/can-you-guess-which-car-has-the-highest-recall-rate-in-america
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Exactly what I was getting. FWD is so bad that the “best or nothing” wanted a piece of the action.
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Whether the A Class has more problems or not wasn’t the point. There has been a recall on their brake pedals. SMK is the one who asserted that Ford had problems, which no one here would deny but this wasn’t about Ford. It was about this fanboy assumption of Mercedes quality being so great when the recalls I posted for cars such as the C Class would seem suggest otherwise.
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See Drew’s comment and try so actual logic next time instead of putting that goal post on wheels and moving it all about. Couldn’t help but notice that you have no counter argument for the quality claim after I posted the many recalls on various Mercedes models. About that percentage you posted, Benz was late to the FWD party but has introduced more FWD models in the last four years than Cadillac. Clearly they are trying to grab that “poor mans” market with cheaper FWD models but somehow you think it will translate to continued high quality on their part and that it’s no big deal if Benz goes cheap. It only matter when Cadillac does it. Thats the fanboy logic for you.
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It’s because you don’t look for problems with Mercedes. One google search pulled up plenty for a car that’s barely been on the market a year here. And bringing up Ford? Again, what does that have to do with anything said here? No one said a thing about them. Besides, of course there will be more news for Ford here than benz because Ford sells in a much higher volume here thus increasing the frequency of recalls in its home country. It’s not rocket science but since you wanted to move the goal posts yet again, I figured I’d give you the simple answer for that. A Class Recall https://www.automotive-fleet.com/331754/mercedes-recalls-a-class-for-brake-pedal C Class recall (where they can’t properly hook up a battery terminal for some reason) https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.cnet.com/google-amp/news/mercedes-benz-battery-recall/ Here’s eight more recalls for the C Class https://www.kbb.com/ownership/mercedes-benz/c-class/2018/ Now If you still want to act like recalls are the be all end all to car quality, please go there. I have plenty more Mercedes recalls where those came from He sidesteps the high number of FWD Mercedes sold today but that’s nothing new there.
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That poor goal post. Who was saying Mercedes quality is all over the A Class? That Cadillac is built here thus a more reasonable price can be expected that is unrelated to quality (or not as related to quality). The A Class is made in Germany and the cost is naturally higher because of it being an import (tariffs and such). This would also apply in reverse for Cadillac if they were exporting the CT4 to Germany. It would be priced considerably higher. Now if you don’t think there is some major cost cutting in that A Class, you are just next level fanboy delusional. You want to bring up the quality of the Cadillac while ignoring the big reliability elephant in the room that is Mercedes, the knock yourself out. Just don’t expect everyone else to buy it. We will just sidestep your bring up a company like Toyota who’s $18K car will run circles around that Benz in terms of long term reliability. Maybe you should stop pulling $h! out of thin air when trying to defend Benz.
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“I do believe” Thats the key part there because it is clearly a matter of fanboy opinion to assume that a company that has a history of building and selling high priced cars with “legendary German quality” (long term reliability studies show otherwise but I digress) passes down that high priced quality to a $30K car. Btw, there are dozens of mainstream cars with high safety ratings as well but that doesn’t mean that they are great quality. Quality is more than safety ratings.
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The A Class isn’t a money grab? Then why make and sell a car that doesn’t make real money? And Chevy isn’t luxury much less marketing themselves as “premium” and that Vette has been a staple of Chevy since the 50s when the price difference from top to bottom was negligible. You have been told more than once why the Vette being on a Chevy lot with cars like the Sonic and Spark is not a big deal at all and never has been. Meanwhile it’s Mercedes that has preached top of the line “best or nothing” marketing while releasing more and more cars with lower and lower stickers. Now do you honestly want us to believe that Daimler’s legendary quality was extended to a $32K FWD car? Seriously? Oh and the BMW interior is garbage.
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Trolling? Show us where he is wrong anywhere in his alleged trolling statement.
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Is it messed up that I only read the headline and thought it was the missing lube for folks who paid $50K for a Jeep with a pick up bed that isn’t even long enough to carry your average bicycle?
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Bear in mind that “value” is a subjective term. The CLA was a sub-$30 car when it came out. By any measure, that is a value luxury car for the value luxury crowd. The GLA and A Class are playing to a similar crowd. And as I have already pointed out, Cadillac is just doing it better with this game plan. You have a problem with context when you talk about those “people”. Oh and are we now saying that sales matter? I ask that because you offer up a different set of excuses when cars like the XT5 and the Escalade outsell their German counterparts.
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My point was that even the Germans, especially Benz has been the playing value card with their sub-$30K cars and CUVs. Certain German car fans seem to think only Cadillac has to do that to succeed when that is clearly not the case. Cadillacs value plan though seems to be a better one. Now if they’ll just stick with it and execute it, then they will be okay.
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Literally not the point I was making as you have sidestepped it completely. My point is that BOTH companies are playing a value strategy only Cadillacs plan seems to be a better one. I just love how you completely missed the fact that Benz is also playing the value card and has for years now.
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That literally has nothing to do with the price of tea in China. At a lower price point, it gets priced with the lower end model A Class which is Mercedes value priced luxury car. Same formula only the Cadillac comes on the better end of it.
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Same here. The size wouldn’t work for me but overall it seems to be a nice package for folks looking at that class of car. You mean like what Benz did when they began selling cars like the CLA, GLA, and A Class? Yes, smart move.
