A Horse With No Name

And we should simplify other ways we live also. Ever think of how much energy it takes to keep twenty fast food resteraunts running on a Friday night? Or a modern department store? There are ways we can do better. Chris

A TDI VW Jetta can get 40 MPG with it's eyes closed and its a damn comfortable car. Europe has been building diesel Benzes since the dawn of humanity and they get really good fuel economy also. Something along the lines of a small Benz, RWD, with a good diesel and a nice interior package would make a sweet touring car and could easily turn 40 MPG. But again, we need to work on the fuel source, not just the cars.

That would be different if you had that diesel though... Chris

Any more progress on the Camino or luck selling the wagon? Chris

Would love to see GM also build a RWD modern coupe like the Hyundai Genesis. Perhaps a pipe dream, but there were some neat sketches in one of the Buick threads recently.

I would agree. Like I said, I'd rather race a 4 cyl car than walk! Chris

Hmmm...a diesel Camaro. I remember when stoners with Camaros used to go and "roll yards" by backing into peoples yards and doing burnouts. Some of the VW TDI guys "soot" people who cut them off in traffic. The thought of a Camaro driver "sooting" someone with black smoke just strikes me as funny. Chris

Dude, that would be the car of my current dreams. My only two points in this thread are: 1 We can't diss the current Camaro too baldy, it is one hell of an effort from the general. No car is perfect, but the new (current) Camaro is one hell of an effort. 2. Enjoy it now, it will be the last of it's breed. I am actually hoping that GM comes out with a cool premium small car, along the lines of the GTI and the Mini S. Most of the cars I have owned have been GM and I have had great luck with them. A car starting every day without complaint in the middle of an Ohio winter year in and year out...that does a lot to generate good faith. Chris

Wow, this thred went off track rapidly.... Chris

I pegged the sarcasm meter and at least one person seemed to notice. GREAT! Agree with you about the Camaro being lighter. However, this will for the reasons that Oldsmoboi and I have put forth probably be the last V8 musclecar Camaro ever. Does it have faults? yes. Do I want one? Yes. Just want us all to enjoy this car for what it is for as long as it is around. Will I buy one? No, probably a more fuel efficient sporty car like a GTI or a MINI Cooper S. So you can understand that I like light, sweet cars. I just want one with the fuel economy of the S when gas hits 6 bucks a gallon. Chris

I don't want either of my sons drafted to go fight on the other side of this rock so we can have dead dino juice to run our cars. As much as I hate to admit it, I have bought my last V8 car I think. Chris

You can't see the outside from behind the wheel. Methinks if you don't like the Camaro you could perhaps have your need for speed filled with a nice gently used Z06 of the C6 generation? Chris

You do like the second gen bodystyle?? So do I. Love the Yenko Stinger, love watching Corvairs road race in vintage racing. That being said, as a convertible nut, I find the 65-69 Generation really cool as a ragtop. Chris

Maybe the government is trying to work in our actual best interest so that we don't have a bunch of people locked into payments of $429 a month on Trailblazers when gas goes to 6 bucks a gallon and the world supply is starting to run short? Just a thought. We have hit and passed peak oil. The only reason that prices are so low is that the economy is in the tank. Give it time, high gas prices and shortages will be back. If I could I would cruise around in a 58 Pontiac Bonneville for the rest of my days on this rock. However, given the choice of driving a Priuslike or VW TDI like car and walking...the Prius/TDI wins over walking every time for some really odd reason. But I would love to drive a 58 Bonneville forever, belive me! Chris

Part of that is safety, part of that is style. The Prius is big on the inside and moderatly sized on the outside...do you want the Camaro to look like the Prius? Part of the issue is the "crumple zone" in the side of the car. Do a side intrusion crash test with a 68 Camaro and an 010 Camaro and tell me what you think. Chris

The crashing economy that will continue to decline, peak oil, the changing buyer demographic, increased competion from cars like the Hyundai Genesis, safety concerns, market saturation in the pony car segment, social pressures on GM to build more cars like the Volt, the decline of men as the main breadwinner in the home, the rise of a female buying demographic, et al. Mostly the buying demographic of this new Camaro is 40+. This group of men is the hardest hit by the current economy and will continue to be the hardest hit. Before, middle aged white guys could ride out bad economic times. This current downturn has white guys over 40 (like me) in its crosshairs. As this group gets older, GM will have more luck selling them a car like the Malibu or Lacrosse if they still have good jobs. Not saying performance will go away completely...it won't...but the market will shrink and GM is smart enough to know this. Like I said, if you wnt one, get it now. Chris

Yes...although when I still had my 71 Chevelle it sounded a lot better through the flowmasters! Chris

Sweet! Thanks...and nice to hear from you again. Chris

Let us know how things go. If I were in a little different economic position I would be tempted on the 72 'bird myself. Good luck! Chris

Love it! Was a real milestone car for its era. Wish I had a good guide to all the Corvair types, GM IIRC build a bunch! Chris

Your LT1 Camaro is still a very special car. At my last house I had a neighbor who always kept a very low mile 82 Indy Pace Car Replica Camaro in his garage. Sweet car. Your LT-1 Car was state of the art for 1994... Hmm...let's see....my son was born in 93, the year your style of Camaro first came out....he's now 16...good to know GM has had some great people at work on the Camaro. Hopefully Daryl you get a Trifecta...your LT-1, a Modern Camaro, and your sweet truck. Then You can go Double Trifecta-A 70-Z28 Rally Sport, an 010 Camaro SS, and your current Camaro Combined with SSR, 1958 Chevrolet Cameo, and your current truck. THAT would be awesome. Chris

Sorry for the post slut but...consider a GTO in maroon. We have a Maroon GTO that lives around the corner from us. AWESOME car. Just my two cents. Chris

It would be awesome as an early 70's T/A clone. ESP. if it was cloned as a vintage SCCA Trans Am race car and actually run on a track. Now THAT would be awesome. Chris

Reading back over the list...if your not going to track it or autocross it, methinks GTO might be just the thing. The GTO is the best 'road car" and the best interior of anything on the list. It also would be a good "date car" if you want a partner for the ride once in awhile. Chris

The car in question is an auto...but damn...the bags aren't even blown. I know a couple of guys with frame racks that do really good work. Might be able to bribe them with beer or Electrical work. Give me a call if you need one pulled back straight. Chris