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Even if GM decides never to produce a car that outperforms its own Corvette, there is still considerable room to wiggle and nip at the Corvette's heels. I posted my "ideal Pontiac lineup" in that thread, and like I said there, Buick and Pontiac should have 6.0L V8 power at the top of their Zeta sedan option lists, while Chevrolet sticks with 5.3L power for the next Impala and Monte Carlo (ironic as that may be, since the LS engines descend from the legendary smallblock Chevy).

While I agree some of the packages are way beyond their freshness date, people *not in the group* tend to only see these "packaged" people, when there are millions of "non-packaged" folks right under their noses.

Agreed. That's an outdated notion. A 500 hp Buick Invicta sedan (just an example) still won't kill a 'Vette on the track, so what's the big deal? It will kill its sedan competition though, and that's what GM needs.

Why? We're not all a bunch of urban dwellers afraid to get our hands dirty.

Wait a minute, BBB... Corvette is untouchable. Take a look at the sticker price of a Corvette and compare it to the competition... it is THE embodiment of "bang for the buck"... the greatest value in the sports car world. The HHR is very nicely priced and is a well-presented vehicle. I will give you the SSR, but it's a goner anyway. I am not saying Buick should be shortchanged or neglected. Buick is still a strong brand... but Buick is here today in part because Chevrolet, GM's workhorse brand, has managed to stay successful and bring money into the corporation. GM fans need to stop this infighting, imo.

blair, how about a nice XC90 with a 6" lift and 33s?

It's so clean. Nice ride!

She went with you to put down the deposit, she smiled for the cameras and waved to the crowd, but on the way home, she let loose: "You can't keep buying new cars! The Sky's the limit, buster!" ***groan***

Brothers don't shake hands. Brothers hug. Then they punch each other in the shoulder. My middle name is Brian. Now stop asking me so many questions! You're confoozing me!

Subaru's first factory-backed Rally effort ended in spectacular failure, but it only made them more determined to succeed...

Kermit (another green dude)

Salt here in the NE is a killer. Most GM truck frames have that thick, waxy coating that keeps them looking fresh for years, but the Colorado/Canyon just has a painted frame (like a Japanese truck), and mine is getting some surface rust on the edges. Me no like.

Your dealership gave this guy $28k for an '07 Tahoe with less than 200 miles? Shame on you! He could have Ebayed it for soo much more, so I can't place all the blame on the dealership I guess.

If it swoops in, drops its little bombs and leaves, it can be fun, but some of the things it says, good lord. It definitely needs to be applied in small doses. Last night it approached overdose status.

Just teasin', bud. A leopard's spots are permanent, I guess. :AH-HA_wink:

I agree with you guys about the top of the line, but I still think Buick needs something sub-Epsilon. That Torana concept sedan would make an awesome entry-level car for Buick, they really need something small and youthful to act as a hook to lure younger customers. Think of it with the 2.4L Ecotec standard (two Ventiports?), 2.8 DI and maybe 3.6 DI optional. Like Croc says, a Kappa Buick, with V6 power and a GT as opposed to all-out sport persona, could be a key as well.

We can't let it die like this. How about some pics, people?

Agreed, I like the name Invicta. Statesman is sorta generic, dull, and straight outa the 40's.

Well, we're all concerned for his welfare, even you. Let's not fight, but focus on positive thoughts for Viper.

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breaking point

Peggy Lipton

Walnuts: Black or English?

Harry Johnson and his nutcase friends.

THE SIZE OF MY CABOOSE IS NONE OF YOUR BUSINESS!