Drew Dowdell

That's because it takes a while to put 50,000 miles on it at a 45 mph top speed.

but on what basis? Would you have been looking for a super fuel efficient commuter or the most car for your dollar. A loaded Delta 88 had nearly every wiz bang feature GM could throw at it and it was the same price as a loaded Accord. With the Delta, you got more features, more comforts, great reliability and longevity, and more safety.... but if you were after gas mileage... then yea, I could see how you'd prefer an 87 horsepower tin can.

I'm not talking about more car in terms of mass. Even in 1988 the W-bodies and Taurus were more crash worthy than the Accord. The Grand Prix came with at least a V6 which, while not a nascar engine, did put more than 87 horsepower down to the pavement. It was also available in a manual transmission. It was also new for 1988... so I can't see how it was "me too" styling. It did NOT look like an 87 Taurus which was the styling trend setter of the day. They had fully independent suspension, 4 wheel disk brakes, and a host of other features not available on the Accord. Go sit in an 88 Accord... they are NOTHING special. An 88 GP will eat an 88 Accord in performance and features and an '88 Delta 88 will eat an 88 Accord in terms of luxury, creature comforts... and probably still straight line performance. Those H bodies were very very reliable as well...so you can't even hold reliability up as a Honda win. This was at a time when Honda was really starting to eat into GM's sales..... but how many 1988 Accords are there out there?

how about 20 years ago? A 1988 Honda Accord maxed out at $15,650... an Oldsmobile Delta 88 Royal Brougham maxed out at $15,490. Even in 1988 the 88 was MUCH more car than the Accord. The Accord based at $11,000 for the stripped out hatchback. Same base price as a Grand Prix. Again, GM offers much more car. Heck, even an 88 Taurus base was the same price as the hatchback Accord. Oh I forgot, Car and Driver said it's the best.... so people back in 1988 packed their common sense into a box and put it in the attic then ran out and promptly bought a stripped out a stripped out 1988 Accord hatchback with a pavement shredding 87 horsepower and all the crash worthiness of a cardboard box while passing up the new for 1988 Motor Trend Car of the Year Grand Prix. Because Hondas are somehow "better". Fast forward 10 years to 1998. Accord and Camry are now king. Yet somehow Intrigue and Eighty Eight still offer more car for the money. Suzy School Teacher buys an Accord anyway under the pretense of being youthful and sporty in a 150hp Accord DX automatic. Honda decides to add a V6 to it's midsized car 18 years after joining that market. The V6's horsepower? 200..... 5 less than the "old" 3800 in the Intrigue and Eighty Eight. I'm sure you know who wins on torque. I bet you'll bring up fuel efficiency.... in 1998 I was filling up my Lincoln Continental for 76 cents a gallon. Fuel efficiency wasn't really on the radar. Now... in 2008, there is the Accord and the Chevy Malibu. The GM still wins on value... and most agree that it wins on looks. Performance numbers are similar..... so... after 20 years.... why do we not buy American again? There is no way, looking at the above, that Honda was offering a clearly better product. It's only "clear" if you're looking through the lenses of Honda and Driver or Honda Consumer Reports..... and you can somehow rationalize the idea that driving a 4 cylinder anemic automatic Japanese car is somehow "sporty" and "European".

I think I'm going to faint..... they actually grasp physics!?! Does this mean no more idiotic comparisons of 5-series sized Cadillacs to 3-series BMWs even though the price is the same?!?! No... it can't be true!

people drive at an over all slower top speed here, however we're quite heavy on the acceleration.

No knocks against the Audi. They are nice drives but the reputation of electrical gremlins would have to be cured before I'd buy one. I still think we need to trade CTSes for a week..... mine feels nothing like you describe. I'm getting 19.5 around town right now and I rarely even exceed 55mph anymore.

I see a whole aftermarket popping up for this! You can download "drivetones" for your car. Want your car to sound like an Enzo? download it How about a Model T? download it. Personally, I'll have the subtle "thump thump" of a Galaxy class starship warp core for my car. Extra bonus if it makes the "go to warp sound" when you really mash the pedal.

In this case, it's being consumed with a straw....

None without a replacement.... and a few should be added. The EXT is a pure profit vehicle for GM, why would you cancel a high dollar badge job that isn't damaging the brand? It cost GM nothing to develop. Chevy Avalanche + Escalade nose + Escalade interior. You can't get much more parts bin than the EXT... so if it sells..even a little bit.. and does nothing to harm the brand image. Keep it.

I always found the C's shape and style to be kind of awkward. It's not that stellar a ship to fly either <in Star Trek: Legacy or Armada II with the patch>. The D is more powerful and the B is more maneuverable. The E is just overdone style wise. my order.. and to keep this kind of automotive relevant: Excelsior class: '66 Oldsmobile Toronado, long sleek with nice curves but still has lines where it should have lines, looks fast, is fast, handles only so-so Galaxy class: BMW 750i-L that Dinan worked over, obviously built for comfort, but damn if you want to f@#k with it. Constitution class - refit: 1996 Chevy Caprice LT1, fairly unassuming, Goes by the Winston Churchill quote "If you're going through hell, keep going." Sovereign class: Dodge Charger SRT-8 - looks mean, just raw power Ambassador class: '08 Honda Accord, looks awkward from certain angles, others are faster, others handle better, but she'll always get ya home.

Truth!

They're probably right... but that doesn't have anything to do with your love of cars...

That's all *I'll* do... it's the other guys that you need to worry about...

B... with D a close second. I tend to like the more graceful looking ships. The B was my favorite look, but the D would kick your ass and look great doing it.

uh oh! it's a pretty girl! *stands back as 75% of the forum runs over to say "hi"*

and the failure of the Aveo's economy to be better than the Cobalt's is more a function of what is under the hood rather than the whole platform itself.

Aveo replaced with Beat Cobalt refreshed HHR refreshed Malibu Impala moved up in size either to G-body or Zeta Colorado refreshed similar dimensions, better interior. It's not that much bigger than the Ranger but it's worlds better. Also keep it for CAFE reasons, some guys that don't need something as large as a Silverado may start moving down if there was a good enough replacement available. Add diesel options. Trailblazer - Refresh on the same platform as the refreshed Colorado. Make it slightly smaller than the current model. If Toyota can have 4-Runner/Highlander, Nissan can have Pathfinder/Murano, Ford can have Explorer/TaurusX/Edge/Flex, then Chevy can certainly sell Trailblazer/Traverse if they're both properly designed. the fullsize trucks and SUVs are fine, but diesel options need to be added on lower models. and the need for the Express has already been explained. I would possibly add a smaller work van like the Astro to the Colorado/Trailblazer platform.... again for CAFE reasons.

None without a replacement.

Cause they sell like snowblowers in Texas. The C230 coupe was $25,800 sticker.

I think it's left over from a former vinyl top

'94 Cutlass quad-light setup + '89 firebird spoiler + chrome removal + awesome color = 1 badass looking Toronado

With no replacement? None.